John Glen's Birds

SeanConnery007SeanConnery007 The Bond Archive - London, EngPosts: 169MI6 Agent
Now I know John Glen's directorial signature is birds being disturbed unexpectedly, and I've found his signature in all his films except AVTAK. Can anyone tell when his signature appears during this film?
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,238MI6 Agent
    Well the nearest I can get with that is when Bond disturbs the cat as he enters Stacey Sutton's house. Maybe the cat ate the bird... :D
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  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    Now I know John Glen's directorial signature is birds being disturbed unexpectedly, and I've found his signature in all his films except AVTAK. Can anyone tell when his signature appears during this film?

    Well, now I have a valid excuse to watch AVTAK again.
  • JennyFlexFanJennyFlexFan Posts: 1,497MI6 Agent
    An excuse, darenhat? You should jump at the chance to see it again. ;)

    As an AVTAK enthusiast though, I can't say I recall one of John Glen's startled birds! We do have the cat being scared, but I think that's the closest we get.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Not that it's the best source (although it's not the worst either), but Bond Films by Jim Smith & Stephen Lavington (Virgin, 2002) has this to say:

    "...director John Glen (pigeons replaced by a caged bird in Sutton's San Francisco mansion)."
  • Harry PalmerHarry Palmer Somewhere in the past ...Posts: 325MI6 Agent
    I once posted the same exact question (if you have the patience look 4 or 5 pages back) and I think we had reached a consensus that there are no birds in AVTAK...
    1. Cr, 2. Ltk, 3. Tld, 4. Qs, 5. Ohmss, 6. Twine, 7. Tnd, 8. Tswlm, 9. Frwl, 10. Tb, 11. Ge, 12. Gf, 13. Dn, 14. Mr, 15. Op, 16. Yolt, 17. Sf, 18. Daf, 19. Avtak, 20. Sp, 21. Fyeo, 22. Dad, 23. Lald, 24. Tmwtgg
  • taitytaity Posts: 702MI6 Agent
    Maybe it's John Glen's way of distancing himself from that movie. A bit like when directors use false names when directing.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Now I know John Glen's directorial signature is birds being disturbed unexpectedly, and I've found his signature in all his films except AVTAK. Can anyone tell when his signature appears during this film?

    At one hour, seventeen minutes and fifty-eight seconds into the film. Bond is asleep on a chair at Sutton's place; a tremor wakes him up, startles the cat off his his lap and... disturbs the caged birds! :)
  • Kirk James KirkKirk James Kirk Posts: 190MI6 Agent
    Isn't Glen's signature doves, specifically?
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    Nah; that's John Woo you're thinking of there; Glen is much more downmarket: pigeons! :D
  • WadsyWadsy Auckland, New ZealandPosts: 410MI6 Agent
    edited September 2015
    FYEO - The Pigeons on St Cyrils, Greece during Bond's mountain climbing
    OP - The Pigeons on Monsoon Palace, India as Bond sneaks around the building's edge. Again as Bond and OP are sleeping before the attack on the palace.
    AVTAK - No Pigeons. Instead, Glen uses birds in Stacey Sutton's birdcage in San Francisco, CA
    TLD - The Pigeons on the roof of Whittaker's Palace in Tangier, Morocco. Again, when Bond sneaks inside to execute Whittaker at the end, you see Pigeons being scared off by the pool area.
    LTK - Pigeons on the building of Sanchez's bank as Bond sets a bomb off, he scares them off

    Another common John Glen act:

    FYEO - Ct Cyrils, Greece - Apostis falls to his death (* A dummy)
    OP - Delhi, India - Gobinder falls to his death from Kamal's airplane (Same scream from Moonraker)
    AVTAK - San Francisco, California - The man gets thrown out of Zorin's blimp by May Day. Another one! Zorin falls to his death from the Golden Gate Bridge
    TLD - Afghanistan - Necros falls to his death (Same scream from Moonraker & OP)
    LTK - Florida Keys - Bond kicking out two men from the aircraft into the ocean

    Common style Car chases:

    FYEO - Citroen 2CV Car Chase
    OP - Tuk Tuk Car Chase (India) then an ordinary car chase (Berlin, Germany)
    AVTAK - Taxi Chase (Paris) then firetruck chase (San Francisco)
    TLD - Ice Chase Aston Martin V8
    LTK - Tanker Chase in the desert

    All of Bond's allies die:

    FYEO - Louige
    OP - Vijay
    AVTAK - Tibbet AND Chuck Lee CIA
    TLD - Saunders
    LTK - Sharky

    Last One - End Credits look the Same on All Movies except LTK
    1. FYEO 2. OHMSS 3. LTK 4. FRWL 5. TLD 6. TSWLM 7. GF 8. AVTAK 9. MR 10. DN 11. SF 12. LALD 13. TB 14. OP 15. CR 16. GE 17. YOLT 18. TMWTGG 19. SP 20. TND 21. TWINE 22. QOS 23. NTTD 24. DAF 25. DAD 26. NSNA 27. CR '67

    1. Dalton 2. Moore 3. Connery 4. Craig 5. Lazenby 6. Brosnan
  • Bondage007Bondage007 AustraliaPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    Wadsy wrote:
    LTK - Mexico - I don't know if it counts, but Dario falling and getting shredded by the machine

    The guy he throws out of the plane...wait the two guys!
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  • WadsyWadsy Auckland, New ZealandPosts: 410MI6 Agent
    Yeah but they didn't die like the rest of them, did they?
    1. FYEO 2. OHMSS 3. LTK 4. FRWL 5. TLD 6. TSWLM 7. GF 8. AVTAK 9. MR 10. DN 11. SF 12. LALD 13. TB 14. OP 15. CR 16. GE 17. YOLT 18. TMWTGG 19. SP 20. TND 21. TWINE 22. QOS 23. NTTD 24. DAF 25. DAD 26. NSNA 27. CR '67

    1. Dalton 2. Moore 3. Connery 4. Craig 5. Lazenby 6. Brosnan
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Wadsy wrote:
    Yeah but they didn't die like the rest of them, did they?
    Hitting the water from that height & speed? I say they were fish food.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Bondage007Bondage007 AustraliaPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    For the second guy I think Krest says pick him up, but doesn't mean he's alive
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  • ggl007ggl007 SpainPosts: 388MI6 Agent
    Swimming pools... Think about that... ;) :D
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    ggl007 wrote:
    Swimming pools... Think about that... ;) :D
    Okay, so what's your point? :)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Bondage007Bondage007 AustraliaPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    fyeo - gonzales villa
    OP - when bond and magda have dinner
    Avtak - no pool??
    TLD - tangiers at whittakers
    LTK - Pool at the end?
    ?:)
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Bondage007 wrote:
    fyeo - gonzales villa
    OP - when bond and magda have dinner
    Avtak - no pool??
    TLD - tangiers at whittakers
    LTK - Pool at the end?
    ?:)

    AVTAK has something close. "The bubbles tickle my ... Tchaikovsky!"
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Yes, I was trying to figure out where the swimming pool was in AVTAK.
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    What? no pigeons in AVTAK? has anybody double checked this? there's always pigeons coming out of an unexpected place in John Glen's films.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    edited September 2015
    Doesn't he disturb some pigeons in the car chase?

    EDIT: No he doesn't :))
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  • ggl007ggl007 SpainPosts: 388MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Bondage007 wrote:
    fyeo - gonzales villa
    OP - when bond and magda have dinner
    Avtak - no pool??
    TLD - tangiers at whittakers
    LTK - Pool at the end?
    ?:)

    AVTAK has something close. "The bubbles tickle my ... Tchaikovsky!"

    That's my point, of course. Another common item in a John Glen film... :D
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,644MI6 Agent
    Thanks for that great list, Wadsy! :) -{
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