Pros and Cons: The Living Daylights

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  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    sniperUK wrote:
    The Plane Fight with Necros never fails to amaze me -{

    Especially when the aircraft changes from a C-130 Hercules to a C-123 Provider and back again ,four sets of props, two props, four props :s
    My God I never in all these years noticed that!!! The C-123 was for the net scenes, right? Wow.

    Yep ,filmed in the US while the rest was in Morroco.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    sniperUK wrote:
    Yep ,filmed in the US while the rest was in Morroco.
    Pretty amazing sleight of hand though... it seems to have worked on everyone but you, sniperUK! -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    sniperUK wrote:
    The Plane Fight with Necros never fails to amaze me -{

    Especially when the aircraft changes from a C-130 Hercules to a C-123 Provider and back again ,four sets of props, two props, four props :s

    Even worse. It sometimes changes to a model! how 6'3" Dalton can fit in a model, I don't know. :D
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    My wife hates watching war or aviation movies with me :)) But then I run the Northern Ireland Air Cadets aircraft recognition team and competitions :D
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    .... and of course driving the Jeep into the Hercules. Was in fact a furniture van ! :))
    Oh the glamour of the movies. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    .... and of course driving the Jeep into the Hercules. Was in fact a furniture van ! :))
    No way!
    You guys are destroying my favourite Bond!!! :o
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    .... and of course driving the Jeep into the Hercules. Was in fact a furniture van ! :))
    Oh the glamour of the movies. ;)

    And of course in both the 130 and 123 you can not see directly from the cargo hold into the cockpit ;)
  • thewizardoficethewizardofice Posts: 9MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:

    Dear oh dear.

    Bond changing the champagne , the harriers landing (which is what about a 30 second scene?) and the baddies being too competent at skiing? Talk about thin pickings. If this is enough to make you write off a classic Bond film then I presume that theres not one film in the series that you like? Even FRWL has the waving at the microfilm shot so I presume that is also put in 'the bucket' too?

    Speaking about nitpicking 2 points in an attempt to ridicule my argument.
    And the skiers look plain silly and not " competent" ;)

    Well I could go through them all if you really want but I think that would be tedious for everyone and I thought I'd spare you the embarrassment.

    A few more of your highlights:

    'Balloon popping as a metaphor' - Its John Glen not Bergman old man. Thats not a metaphor its just a balloon popping - and its widely regarded as a great moment because of the rage on Dalton's face.

    'And they are riding to dawn - yawn ' - I'm at a loss here. Are you criticising it or just stating it happened? Yes they ride horses at dawn. Is that really something that annoys you?

    And lets not forget your point about the Taliban (actually the Mujahideen at this point - it evloves into the Taliban later but I know you dont like nitpicking so we'll let it pass) - so good you made it twice - which has already been shot down by someone else for its historical inaccuracy.

    You do hit on some good points such as 'Salt corrosion' - which is awful - but they largely get lost amongst the triviality of your, dare I say, nitpicking.

    I mean really - 'The Aston Martin getting "winterized" when it's visually a different car'? Its called suspension of disbelief that Q can convert it into a hard top. If you cant just roll with this I'd suggest you give up Bond and try some Lars Von Trier in your quest for unremitting realism.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Watch it ,in your own Bond world, it's still fantastic ! :D
    The oddest fun fact that I've ever heard about the Bonds
    Which really surprised me was .......
    In GE, with the admiral getting squeezed to death and all the rolling around
    On the bed. To get the shadow of them on the wall. They had to have another
    Couple on the floor, casting their shadow on it ! :)) I thought tat was amazing ! {[]

    SniperUK, I hope they don't make any aerial mistakes in SPECTRE ! :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    To be honest in the whole series that is about the only major aviation mistake , hatch from the bomb bay to cockpit in the TB Vulcan excepted , they even managed to get the first actual Soviet Block helicopter, the Mi2 in a western movie, FYEO.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    ....

    When you are reading here a bit longer, the consensus among the Dalton fanboys is the praise of the realism and hardness.

    Moore is often criticized for silly contexts and I was just trying to show that TLD has a lot of flaws which are usually criticized in the Moore age.

    And the balloon popping scene to me it the low point of a lower than medicore movie - feel free to disagree with me.

    And the "good Taliban" are what they are - can change the term - cant change the group.
    stag wrote:
    More good than bad points for me
    I was directly replying to this and felt free to show the bad points from the movie.
    Feel free to disagree and call it nitpicking - you'll find a lot of it in the "Pro" part.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    And the "good Taliban" are what they are - can change the term - cant change the group.
    But back then 'The West' saw them as freedom fighters, are you denying this?
    I remember trying to ignore the Muhajadeen in both Rambo III and TLD because I thought they were a bunch of freakin' savages we only befriended to fight the Soviets with. Good call, eh? Even in my 20's I never fell for that poo-on-a-plate the mainstream media hands you. But the truth is, the POTUS & the PM decided who our friends were back then, not field agents like Bond.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    You're absolutely correct, Bruce Lee - but if that would have happend in a Moore movie, it would be repeated every single hour here.....

    And let's not forget: Daltons movies are praised for their realism 8-)

    I cringe about the naivity back then and could not sit back and enjoy TLD for that reason and the others
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    The Naivity 3 is out for Christmas. ;)
    ( Dude where's my donkey )
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    The Naivity 3 is out for Christmas. ;)
    ( Dude where's my donkey )
    Thou hast blasphemed.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    Well at that time ,in reality ,SIS plus SAS/SBS were all involved in training the Afghans.

    1980s - Afghanistan
    SIS operatives were active in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation, assisting the Mujahideen resistance. Activities included supplying the anti-Soviet forces with weapons such as anti-tank missiles and anti-aircraft missiles (at first the largely useless British-built Blowpipe SAMs and later the more effective US-built Stingers). Ex SAS/SBS men were also involved in these operations.

    Other MI6 operations in Afghanistan included obtaining Soviet military equipment from the battlefield for later analysis.

    SIS also arranged for Mujahideen fighters to be trained in heavy weapons on islands off Western Scotland by the SAS Revolutionary Warfare Wing (RWW). The Mujahideen soldiers were shuttled between Scotland and Pakistan by a C-130 operated by the RAF S&D flight, a small cadre of RAF special forces pilots that support SIS/Increment operations.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    edited December 2014
    So, sniperUK, you're basically saying an MI6 agent would probably have worked with them rather that explain how he looked in his crystal ball and saw what they would become and reject them and their assistance out of hand- ?
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Similar to Saddam, before the West starts a war. We like to train and arm the
    Opposition, to make it more fun ! 8-) :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    So, sniperUK, you're basically saying an MI6 agent would probably have worked with them rather that explain how he looked in his crystal ball and saw what they would become and reject them and their assistance out of hand- ?

    Exactly.
  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,107MI6 Agent
    I loved the kitchen fight in this. That scene in Sudden Death doesn't hold a candle to this.
    Have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?"

    " I don't listen to hip hop!"
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Love the whole pts, the land rover sequence is a fantastic
    Mini movie. {[] Although I never noticed ( still don't) that the
    Other 00s were supposed to resemble Moore and Lazenby. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    The Bond films always reflect the world as it is at the time of filming. In that sense TLD is spot on with the Mujahadeen. The USSR were the bad guys back then (and not all of them).
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    So it was ok slapping Dink's rear because noone could take a crystal ball out and forsee that it's not pc in the 2010?
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    The Bond films always reflect the world as it is at the time of filming.

    Remember this when you criticize again the lighter tone from the Moore age :v
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    So it was ok slapping Dink's rear because noone could take a crystal ball out and forsee that it's not pc in the 2010?
    Exactly.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I never thought I'd ever say this but .........
    I can see Higgins's point . ;) you must use the same criteria to
    Judge the films. :)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    The Bond films always reflect the world as it is at the time of filming.

    Remember this when you criticize again the lighter tone from the Moore age :v

    I meant geopolitics (and otherwise too). Anyway, I love MR.
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    What is to say that the Afghans in TLD did not later become part of the Northern Alliance ?
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    I never thought I'd ever say this but .........
    I can see Higgins's point . ;) you must use the same criteria to
    Judge the films. :)

    Thank you! :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    The only thing we can know for sure, is that the Afghans
    like classical music. :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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