Pros and Cons: The Spy Who Loved Me

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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    ^ Claude Renoir's cinematography would be my only con. I don't really like how this film looks. The colour is nice, but there's certainly a void between the look of TSWLM and MR. It's as if they didn't use tripods or dollys. To, it makes this film looks slightly dated over entries around the same time - almost like TB/YOLT.

    TSWLM has always been in my top 10.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    "You've shot your bolt, Stromberg! Now it's my turn!"
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    If ONLY Barry had done the score... :#
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    If ONLY Barry had done the score... :#

    The lack of Barry doesn't bother me, but to each their own.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    If ONLY Barry had done the score... :#

    The lack of Barry doesn't bother me, but to each their own.
    Lack-O-Barry is a serious condition.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I love Marvin Hamlisch's score for TSWLM. {[]
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    I love Marvin Hamlisch's score for TSWLM. {[]
    Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Just curious Chris, but what's your full ranking of the Moore 007 films?
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Just curious Chris, but what's your full ranking of the Moore 007 films?
    TMWTGG
    OP
    FYEO
    LALD
    TSWLM/AVTAK
    *big break*
    MR (ugh)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    I love Marvin Hamlisch's score for TSWLM. {[]

    I like elements of it, just like I like elements of Serra's GE, Conti's FYEO. I think Hamlisch's Bond Theme is the best out of all the non-Barry composers. But the rest of the soundtrack just doesn't fit into the film that well.

    LALD is one of the interesting, original scores like all the non-Barry dudes, but it just works so well cinematically - probably the closest to Barry.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Just curious Chris, but what's your full ranking of the Moore 007 films?
    TMWTGG
    OP
    FYEO
    LALD
    TSWLM/AVTAK
    *big break*
    MR (ugh)

    Guess you're not as big on TSWLM as I am.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    If ONLY Barry had done the score... :#

    The lack of Barry doesn't bother me, but to each their own.
    Lack-O-Barry is a serious condition.

    Yes. Marvin Hamlisch, however, did write an amazing theme in 'Nobody Does it Better' and uses it well throughout the score. There are some very Barry-esque cues as well. The source cues for the Pyramids and Mojave Club are really cool. The disco cues are fantastic as well, but they date the film. If John Barry had scored this, I wonder if he would have given it a disco feel since he did that for parts of The Deep the same year. My biggest problem with the score is that it doesn't sound very unified. There are just so many different styles of music, though none are inappropriate. It would be great if the score could be released on an album some day since it's the only Bond score that has not at all been released. The music on the soundtrack album was instead arranged specifically for the album.

    LALD and FYEO suffer more from "Lack-O-Barry" because the composers did not try to do the Bond sound that Hamlisch mostly attempted. Both films have fantastic scores, yet they detract from the Bond feel of the films.
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    There are just so many different styles of music, though none are inappropriate.

    Agree.

    As much as I love TSWLM, the cinematography and the not-so-perfect score (though still good), degrade my overall ranking of the film.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Bondage007Bondage007 AustraliaPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    If ONLY Barry had done the score... :#

    The lack of Barry doesn't bother me, but to each their own.

    While I like Hamlish's score, I always wonder...what if Barry had done it. My opinion on the film would instantly jump...maybe even a top 5 rank. I rank many Bond films a lot higher than I should because of Barry alone
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    There's one particular shot in TSWLM, that always really impressed me.
    As the helicopter lifts off, the camera pans across and up to Stromberg's
    room, where he's looking out the window and then walks off.
    for 1977, and using " Old school" techniques, I think that's One hell of
    a shot. -{
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    There's one particular shot in TSWLM, that always really impressed me.
    As the helicopter lifts off, the camera pans across and up to Stromberg's
    room, where he's looking out the window and then walks off.
    for 1977, and using " Old school" techniques, I think that's One hell of
    a shot. -{
    Yeah, last time I watched it I really noticed that. Amazing.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    One thing that bothers me in the movie... the repeated shooting of Stromberg. It should have been a simple one/two IMO. 8-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    One thing that bothers me in the movie... the repeated shooting of Stromberg. It should have been a simple one/two IMO. 8-)

    I never liked that either.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    One thing that bothers me in the movie... the repeated shooting of Stromberg. It should have been a simple one/two IMO. 8-)

    I never liked that either.
    I don't see Roger going for it. I bet they intentionally used bits from multiple takes to make it seem more vicious than he thought it would be in the final version...
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I like the repeated shooting of Stromberg, because to me a simple one-two would prob have been anticlimactic.

    I'm thinking of Silva's death in SF, which feels a bit too simple for me. (Just throwing that in for comparison.)
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,988Quartermasters
    Matt S wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    One thing that bothers me in the movie... the repeated shooting of Stromberg. It should have been a simple one/two IMO. 8-)

    I never liked that either.

    I loved that bit. Emptied the clip, if I remember? It's been a while since I've seen it. But it was a nice Bond moment for me. Anything Moore could do to sharpen his edge, I was in favor of.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent

    I loved that bit. Emptied the clip, if I remember? It's been a while since I've seen it. But it was a nice Bond moment for me. Anything Moore could do to sharpen his edge, I was in favor of.
    It just seemed like some hold over from when Stromberg was Blofeld in the original draft of the script. Now BLOFELD I could see him shooting like that. :v
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,988Quartermasters
    chrisisall wrote:

    I loved that bit. Emptied the clip, if I remember? It's been a while since I've seen it. But it was a nice Bond moment for me. Anything Moore could do to sharpen his edge, I was in favor of.
    It just seemed like some hold over from when Stromberg was Blofeld in the original draft of the script. Now BLOFELD I could see him shooting like that. :v

    True. But Moore was at his best for me when he could summon up whatever cold brutality he had: kicking the car off the cliff in FYEO, swatting the henchman off his tie to let him fall off the rooftop in TSWLM, shooting Stromberg multiple times, putting Drax out the airlock in MR, etc.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    kicking the car off the cliff in FYEO
    Moore's best moment IMO!! {[]
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,988Quartermasters
    chrisisall wrote:
    kicking the car off the cliff in FYEO
    Moore's best moment IMO!! {[]

    I think you're right {[]
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    ^ "That's for 009" is pretty up there for me.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Moore could indeed be a brutal killer as Bond.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Fantastic compilation of all Roger Moore kills: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0rRnc124g0
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Interesting fun fact that in TMWTGG he only kills one
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    Interesting fun fact that in TMWTGG he only kills one

    Very interesting actually, the only one that counted.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
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