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Re: No 007 you can't have an H&K UMP9 on this mission!...EU April 2016

An update...kind of!  ajb007/frown

Having recently spoken with an ex-Bond armourer it would appear that in the UK at least deactivated machine guns are not being banned/confiscated however OTT deactivation measures are being enforced. As previously triggers, cocking levers, selector switches are being permanently welded/bonded in place (depending if the weapon is steel or a composite material). The magazine will be removable but it's height will be reduced so when it is locked in place the top will not line up where the breach/barrel used to be which is now basically a large cut up blob of weld so getting a spare untouched magazine is not going to help much!

Pistols are also getting mullered. The slides are being locked/welded/pinned? in place. It will still move but you will not be able to lift it off the frame. The magazines are being modified similar to those in machine guns where an internal obstruction will not allow breach access but you will at least be able to remove them. It is believed that it may be possible to pull back the hammer and pull the trigger unless you have one of the new polymer framed trigger less guns which will probably end up being glorified paperweights? as they have internal strikers in place of hammers (such as Bond's P99 and Heckler and Koch VP9). I am shortly to take delivery of an EU deactivated pistol so will report further on just how badly mullered the nickel plated finish etc is? One thing which is clear at this stage is it will be impossible to field strip them.

As previously mentioned it would appear that if you own deactivated weapons which are rackable (you can pull the slide back nearly as often as DC in SPECTRE) they are safe until you decide to sell them then they become gloriously under-priced paperweights after deactivation...again!

It is hoped that the Home Office may reconsider these Draconian measures near the end of the year but I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. Additionally if the House of Lords overturn BREXIT? we will get hit with the full EU "WE HATE GUNS" measures  ajb007/crap

Last edited by ppw3o6r (13th Aug 2016 08:30)

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Sir Miles wrote:

^ Classic EU & Government nonsense  ajb007/insane

I am no expert but it seems to me that EU gun laws are very different than the ones in the UK  ajb007/rolleyes

Just an example would be that we are not forced to paint collectibles into bananas  ajb007/biggrin

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But what if you have a collection of Bananas ?  ajb007/biggrin

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Would that be a bunch?

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Don't blind me with all these fancy collecting terms Chris  ajb007/biggrin

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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ajb007/lol

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Higgins wrote:

I am no expert...

At last...something we agree on  ajb007/shifty  ajb007/lol

YNWA: Justice For The 96

Sometimes no news is just bad news taking it's fvcking time

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ppw3o6r wrote:

I am shortly to take delivery of an EU deactivated pistol so will report further on just how badly mullered the nickel plated finish etc is?

The new EU deactivation measures were not quite what Donk expected  ajb007/biggrin

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One of us smells like a tart's handkerchief.

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Any truth to the rumour that the EU are going to deactivate Higgy Babe ??? or at least plug him and shorten his magazine ???

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Gadget Meister wrote:

Any truth to the rumour that the EU are going to deactivate Higgy Babe ??? or at least plug him and shorten his magazine ???

ajb007/lol

A nice start would be to weld all his bloody trainers together  ajb007/shifty

YNWA: Justice For The 96

Sometimes no news is just bad news taking it's fvcking time

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Re: No 007 you can't have an H&K UMP9 on this mission!...EU April 2016

The new UK Deactivation specification is now finalised. Information courtesy of Worldwidearms.com :

Bolt Action Rifles

Bolt face chamfered at 45 degrees, firing pin shortened, firing pin hole welded up, bolt lugs chamfered at 45 degrees. Barrels have 6 holes drilled on underside of barrel close to the chamber. Hardened steel rod welded in covering two thirds of barrel. Chamber slotted on underside. Hardened steel peg welded across chamber. Rifles with detachable magazines have a hardened steel pin welded across magazine well to prevent the insertion of a standard magazine. Magazine top modified so that it can be inserted and removed. Integral magazines remain unaffected.  All work is carried out internally or under cover so the appearance is virtually as original. The rifles can be cocked and dry fired.

This system is virtually the same as the old UK system except it now has the fully legal EU/UK Deactivation Certificate from the Birmingham/London Proof House.



Semi-Automatic Pistols

Bolt face chamfered at 45 degrees, firing pin shortened, and firing pin hole welded up.

Barrels have 3 holes drilled in barrel close to the chamber. Chamber slotted, hardened steel rod welded in place covering two thirds of the barrel. Any Feed ramp machined away.

The Frame has two thirds of slide rails removed, top slide locking lugs removed, top slide captivated to frame.

Hardened steel pin welded across magazine well to prevent the insertion of a standard magazine. Magazine top modified so that it can be inserted and removed.  All work is carried out internally or under cover so the appearance is virtually as original.

The Pistols have moving parts and can be cocked & dry fired. They now have the fully legal EU/UK Deactivation Certificate from the Birmingham/London Proof House.

Revolvers

Barrels have a short V slot and are pinned to the frame, chamber slotted.  Hardened steel rod welded in place covering two thirds of the barrel. Firing pin shortened, firing pin hole welded up. Cylinder walls removed internally and filled with a steel ring, cylinder captivated to frame. Revolvers have moving parts and can be cocked & dry fired. They now have the fully legal EU/UK Deactivation Certificate from the Birmingham/London Proof House.



Sub-Machine Guns

Bolt reduced by 50% and welded into the receiver. Barrels drilled with 6 holes and chamber slotted.  Hardened steel rod welded in covering two thirds of barrel. Barrel welded to frame. Frame with some internal welding. Hardened steel pin welded across magazine well to prevent the insertion of a standard magazine. Magazine top modified so that it can be inserted and removed. Where applicable cocking levers remain movable.

The deactivation is quite similar to the previous UK spec except more parts are allowed to move.

They now have the fully legal EU/UK Deactivation Certificate from the Birmingham/London Proof House.



Assault Rifles

Bolt removed and bolt carrier reduced by 50% and welded to receiver. Barrels drilled with 6 holes and chamber slotted.  Hardened steel rod welded in covering two thirds of barrel.  Barrel pinned and welded to frame. Gas system disabled by cutting and welding.  Receiver with some internal welding.

Hardened steel pin welded across magazine well to prevent the insertion of a standard magazine. Magazine top modified so that it can be inserted and removed.

The deactivation is quite similar to the previous UK spec except more parts are allowed to move.

They now have the fully legal EU/UK Deactivation Certificate from the Birmingham/London Proof House.



Semi-Automatic Rifles

Bolt reduced by 50% and welded to bolt carrier which is welded to the receiver. Barrels drilled with 6 holes and chamber slotted.  Hardened steel rod welded in covering two thirds of barrel.  Barrel pinned and welded to frame.  Gas system disabled by cutting and welding. Some internal components welded. Where possible cocking levers remain movable.  Rifles with detachable magazine have a hardened steel pin welded across magazine well to prevent the insertion of a standard magazine. Magazine top modified so that it can be inserted and removed. Integral magazines remain unaffected.

The deactivation is quite similar to the previous UK spec

They now have the fully legal EU/UK Deactivation Certificate from the Birmingham/London Proof House.



Any deactivated gun which has a muzzle attachment requires that attachment to be permanently fixed....BUGGER!  ajb007/frown

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That would definitely suck as a firearms collector like myself to live in the UK.

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Well guys I promised an update and regrettably here it is. The proposed EU based deactivation regulations which we'd hoped would be overturned by the courts are now law enforceable from 2nd May 2017 and reading between the lines non-compliance carries the kind of penalties which possession of a firearm without certificate used to carry and as nuts as it sounds we are talking imprisonment here.
Yes you can still own weapons which have been deactivated to old London and Birmingham Proof House standards but if you want to sell or even gift them from May 2017 then they must be mullered to the new EU based specification  ajb007/frown

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It's absolutely ridiculous!  I've followed this from the begining and fully supported the change.org campaign.
Absolutely sh*t bit of legislation for absolutely no reason.  Will these idiots be scratching their heads after the next terrorist attack that uses firearms saying " I don't understand how this could happen??  I thought we'd sorted this by butchering everyone's guns? "

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Chriscoop wrote:

It's absolutely ridiculous!  I've followed this from the begining and fully supported the change.org campaign.
Absolutely sh*t bit of legislation for absolutely no reason.  Will these idiots be scratching their heads after the next terrorist attack that uses firearms saying " I don't understand how this could happen??  I thought we'd sorted this by butchering everyone's guns? "

We've seen legislation of this type before after Hungerford where ownership of semi-automatic rifles was banned with the exception of .22 weapons. The justification was Ryan used a 5.45 semi-auto AK47 rifle to massacre his victims where in reality he used a Jaegar AP80, a Kalashnikov copy which was .22 calibre...the one type of weapon which was not banned!

Back to the deacs. The EU spec for pistols basically stops you field stripping them and inserting standard or unmodified magazines. This nonsense also applies to machine guns...seriously they are welded up solid/paperweights so what the hell does it matter if the magazine is cut or not? The real losers are revolvers because apart from the chamber being completely buggered said chamber has to be "captivated to the frame" meaning you cannot open them anymore. The UK had the most thorough deactivated weapons standard in the EU before all this nonsense & these new regs were sneaked through just a couple of weeks before Brexit.

Now to illustrate just how plain nuts the new regs actually are they also effect film and television armourers because the pond life behind this clearly knows nothing about weapons safety. Movie guns have modifications made to their internals to enable them to discharge blank cartridges. Without going into the full technical details which is as boring as "saggy sweaters", their barrels are fitted with a device called a restrictor which as per its name would suggest reduces the internal bore of the barrel which permits back pressure and said back pressure permits blow back (the slide flies back, ejects a spent round & loads the next). Under the new regs modified movie guns must be permanently modified to fire blanks. This is incredibly dangerous because it makes effective cleaning of the bore almost impossible allowing the build up of burnt powder and muck effectively in time blocking the bore which would have the same effect of firing a live weapon with an obstruction at the end of the barrel & lets be clear Daniel Craig or perhaps Tom Hiddleston could be firing that weapon at the time.

Back in 2006 on Casino Royale a P99 had been fitted with what is known as a "headshot" silencer. This type of silencer is used when for example Bond shot the Venice henchman in the head. You get blowback & case ejection with no flash at the muzzle. A special low power mix blank has to be used to achieve this effect but on a test fire a standard yield blank was used. The blowback & build up was so severe that the shock wave had to go somewhere and it went into the polymer frame cracking it in half (Hazard wrote about this in Famous Gun without revealing the details)....bloody dangerous and that is what "will" happen to permanently modified blank fire firearms!  ajb007/frown

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These knee jerk reactions so often completely miss all the nuances.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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I thought it would be useful to illustrate what a fooking mess the new EU deactivation regulations have made to in particular revolvers. With a completely plugged barrel there can be no justification whatsoever for this kind of moronic vandalisation to the internals of the chamber!  ajb007/frown

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ppw3o6r wrote:
Chriscoop wrote:

It's absolutely ridiculous!  I've followed this from the begining and fully supported the change.org campaign.
Absolutely sh*t bit of legislation for absolutely no reason.  Will these idiots be scratching their heads after the next terrorist attack that uses firearms saying " I don't understand how this could happen??  I thought we'd sorted this by butchering everyone's guns? "

We've seen legislation of this type before after Hungerford where ownership of semi-automatic rifles was banned with the exception of .22 weapons. The justification was Ryan used a 5.45 semi-auto AK47 rifle to massacre his victims where in reality he used a Jaegar AP80, a Kalashnikov copy which was .22 calibre...the one type of weapon which was not banned!

ajb007/frown

Total rubbish Ryan used a Chinese made Type 56 7.62x39 AK also a .30 M-1 carbine, both on his FAC .

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ppw3o6r wrote:

I thought it would be useful to illustrate what a fooking mess the new EU deactivation regulations have made to in particular revolvers. With a completely plugged barrel there can be no justification whatsoever for this kind of moronic vandalisation to the internals of the chamber!  ajb007/frown

https://s2.postimg.org/tiotv5i5h/DWS.png

You said it.... Vandalism!

It was either that.....or the priesthood