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Napoleon Plural wrote:

Well, you can take offence if you want, however I can't say it is widely accepted that the only reason for depression is a low serotonin level and no, I don't need to look it up. If that were the case, are we to assume the reason Bond is depressed at the beginning of SF is down to that, or because he feels he's been sold out by his boss? Many others are saying they've been depressed due to traumatic issues, but are you saying that's not it at all, it's just a chemical imbalance?

I'm not inclined to respond to the rest of your post.

No problem - don't look it up or respond to the rest of my post. 

But for anyone else interested, this (causes for depression) may be worth a look.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond … n-20032977

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Fascinating thread - thanks for the original post and the responses.

Fleming's Bond certainly shows signs of the demons and doubts that many of us carry with us; it gives him a depth and makes the character all the more appealing in my opinion.  I think we started to see more depth with Brosnan's Bond and this has continued with Craig's.

I've certainly experienced some very difficult times as well as more than the normal amount of close family bereavement.  For me, Bond (the books, the films and the genre) is a means of enjoyment, escapism and entertainment. I am also inspired by the idea of always getting back up again, whatever the challenge, which I feel we've seen more of with Craig's iteration of the character.

Here's to us all  ajb007/martini

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Bond in Skyfall did not have a huge impact on me, Raoul Silva did. I remember sitting in the theater crying when he removed his false teeth. He is begging M to how him love and literally shows the damage she did to him. Depression can manifest in sadness but also anger. Silva was so mad, hurt and scared. I could really relate to that. My Mom could also be M so that had a good deal to do with it ajb007/lol

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VesperMelograno wrote:

Bond in Skyfall did not have a huge impact on me, Raoul Silva did. I remember sitting in the theater crying when he removed his false teeth. He is begging M to how him love and literally shows the damage she did to him. Depression can manifest in sadness but also anger. Silva was so mad, hurt and scared. I could really relate to that. My Mom could also be M so that had a good deal to do with it ajb007/lol

I can identify with what you are saying. Silvia is me in my darkest times. When all the scars and demons seem to just overwhelm me.
I think that Bond and Silvia are, in many ways, feeling the same emotions. However, what keeps Bond resilient is that sense of a purpose greater than himself.
I struggle with deep depression often and I only find my fulfillment when I get lost in something greater than myself.
Bond becomes my mask.

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Welcome to AJB, Nathan_Aurelias.  ajb007/smile

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Barbel wrote:

Welcome to AJB, Nathan_Aurelias.  ajb007/smile

Thank you!!  ajb007/biggrin

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This is a prime example of the Bond of James Bond movie lovers is vital to its success.

1. Goldfinger 2. Skyfall 3. Goldeneye 4. The Spy Who Loved Me 5. OHMSS
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Nathan_Aurelias wrote:

I can identify with what you are saying. Silvia is me in my darkest times. When all the scars and demons seem to just overwhelm me.
I think that Bond and Silvia are, in many ways, feeling the same emotions. However, what keeps Bond resilient is that sense of a purpose greater than himself.
I struggle with deep depression often and I only find my fulfillment when I get lost in something greater than myself.
Bond becomes my mask.

I had not really thought of that but it is true. Silvia falls deeper into a "pit" because he is only out for himself.  ajb007/cheers

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The Bond/Silvia contrast makes for great storytelling in Skyfall. I learned in a storytelling class that the listener(viewer) takes on all the major characters and experiences the story from each perspective. For me, the tension between Bond's response to his role as agent and Silvia's response, is never fully resolved. I don't think we end up knowing why each reacted as they did and it is up to each of us to figure that out ourselves. This is part of what makes Skyfall such a repeatably watchable movie for me.

Great thread,thanks!

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Wow, SKYFALL had the opposite effect on me -- it made me more depressed.
What had become of the James Bond we all knew and loved and were so entertained by?

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VesperMelograno wrote:
Nathan_Aurelias wrote:

I can identify with what you are saying. Silvia is me in my darkest times. When all the scars and demons seem to just overwhelm me.
I think that Bond and Silvia are, in many ways, feeling the same emotions. However, what keeps Bond resilient is that sense of a purpose greater than himself.
I struggle with deep depression often and I only find my fulfillment when I get lost in something greater than myself.
Bond becomes my mask.

I had not really thought of that but it is true. Silvia falls deeper into a "pit" because he is only out for himself.  ajb007/cheers

Bond and Silva are two sides of the same coin in that regard. Even through wardrobe when they first meet alludes to this. Bonds in a dark jacket and white shirt and Silva's in a light jacket and dark shirt.

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What an amazing catch! I never thought about the jackets before!

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