A battle between two double-0s and GE does “almost nothing with it?”
I think that's a good point: once revealed as the villain, Trevelyan is basically just another megalomaniac with a space-"laser"
two double oh's should be very evenly matched, to the point they're constantly stalemating each other because they've had exactly the same training
there should be a lot more cat-and-mouse, and trying to anticipate what the other would do, and then anticipate what the other is anticipating the first would do, round and round in futile circles Skyfall did this sort of thing a little better, as did ...Golden Gun, but there's still a lot more that could be done then what any of these three films have achieved
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A battle between two double-0s and GE does “almost nothing with it?”
I think that's a good point: once revealed as the villain, Trevelyan is basically just another megalomaniac with a space-"laser"
two double oh's should be very evenly matched, to the point they're constantly stalemating each other because they've had exactly the same training
there should be a lot more cat-and-mouse, and trying to anticipate what the other would do, and then anticipate what the other is anticipating the first would do, round and round in futile circles Skyfall did this sort of thing a little better, as did ...Golden Gun, but there's still a lot more that could be done then what any of these three films have achieved
Yes, you are correct that by that prescription, neither SF or TMWTGG fully realize that. What comes to mind as better renditions of that formula are the Bourne Supremacy novel and to an extent, the movie; Universal Soldier; Aliens v Predators, the Breaking Dawn franchise, etc., but where's the rule that two, evenly matched opponents must go that route? In the scheme and scale of a Bond movie, that approach would actually weaken a Bond plot, because it is best left to Alien v Predator, etc., etc., etc. Should FRWL be faulted because Bond and Donovan Grant didn't go that way? Somehow, nevertheless, GE managed to employ the best of both worlds, in which the mastermind of an elaborate world-domination scheme happened to be Bond's close friend/ally/equal, and in the end they manage to go mano-a-mano in the most physical way.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
A battle between two double-0s and GE does “almost nothing with it?”
I think that's a good point: once revealed as the villain, Trevelyan is basically just another megalomaniac with a space-"laser"
two double oh's should be very evenly matched, to the point they're constantly stalemating each other because they've had exactly the same training
there should be a lot more cat-and-mouse, and trying to anticipate what the other would do, and then anticipate what the other is anticipating the first would do, round and round in futile circles Skyfall did this sort of thing a little better, as did ...Golden Gun, but there's still a lot more that could be done then what any of these three films have achieved
{[] Exactly -- there's not much "there" there. It's a concept barely explored -- what you describe here is exactly what would have done the concept justice. Instead, GE plays it safe and even far safer than either SF or TMWTGG. I kept waiting for 008 to do some double-0 stuff, but instead, he spent most of his time spouting off villain lines. Even the climactic battle didn't seem so much so since it was almost entirely a chase around the telescope. Really -- that's the best they could come up with after six years??
This is another reason I find CR a far better film. We're not just told Bond is reckless but see it in action, for instance. Constantly, from his near disastrous fight in yet another bathroom to his chase (while crashing through drywall, no less) and shooting of Molaka to his breaking into M's apartment. And LeChiffre isn't just some guy on a train barking orders but actually participates on pretty much every level as a villain. This is a far more realized story than GE, which brings up a lot but doesn't do as much with it, pretty much like all of Brosnan's Bonds. Like I said, my only real peeve is about the romance. I get they were in love -- that cheesy montage scene tells me so. But for a film that actually spent time investing in showing rather than telling and in creating whole scenes that were fully realized, it's the romance that seemed to get the short shrift.
A battle between two double-0s and GE does “almost nothing with it?”
I think that's a good point: once revealed as the villain, Trevelyan is basically just another megalomaniac with a space-"laser"
two double oh's should be very evenly matched, to the point they're constantly stalemating each other because they've had exactly the same training
there should be a lot more cat-and-mouse, and trying to anticipate what the other would do, and then anticipate what the other is anticipating the first would do, round and round in futile circles Skyfall did this sort of thing a little better, as did ...Golden Gun, but there's still a lot more that could be done then what any of these three films have achieved
{[] Exactly -- there's not much "there" there. It's a concept barely explored -- what you describe here is exactly what would have done the concept justice. Instead, GE plays it safe and even far safer than either SF or TMWTGG. I kept waiting for 008 to do some double-0 stuff, but instead, he spent most of his time spouting off villain lines. Even the climactic battle didn't seem so much so since it was almost entirely a chase around the telescope. Really -- that's the best they could come up with after six years??
This is another reason I find CR a far better film. We're not just told Bond is reckless but see it in action, for instance. Constantly, from his near disastrous fight in yet another bathroom to his chase (while crashing through drywall, no less) and shooting of Molaka to his breaking into M's apartment. And LeChiffre isn't just some guy on a train barking orders but actually participates on pretty much every level as a villain. This is a far more realized story than GE, which brings up a lot but doesn't do as much with it, pretty much like all of Brosnan's Bonds. Like I said, my only real peeve is about the romance. I get they were in love -- that cheesy montage scene tells me so. But for a film that actually spent time investing in showing rather than telling and in creating whole scenes that were fully realized, it's the romance that seemed to get the short shrift.
008? He wasn't even in the films! M threatens Bond to replace him with 008 in GF and TLD. I'm sure if he would do some 00 stuff if Bond messed up and couldn't defeat 006.
Typo, but I think it's more subliminal in that the impression he made on me was so fleeting. It's a really forgettable character in a really forgettable "movie."
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two double oh's should be very evenly matched, to the point they're constantly stalemating each other because they've had exactly the same training
there should be a lot more cat-and-mouse, and trying to anticipate what the other would do, and then anticipate what the other is anticipating the first would do, round and round in futile circles
Skyfall did this sort of thing a little better, as did ...Golden Gun, but there's still a lot more that could be done then what any of these three films have achieved
Yes, you are correct that by that prescription, neither SF or TMWTGG fully realize that. What comes to mind as better renditions of that formula are the Bourne Supremacy novel and to an extent, the movie; Universal Soldier; Aliens v Predators, the Breaking Dawn franchise, etc., but where's the rule that two, evenly matched opponents must go that route? In the scheme and scale of a Bond movie, that approach would actually weaken a Bond plot, because it is best left to Alien v Predator, etc., etc., etc. Should FRWL be faulted because Bond and Donovan Grant didn't go that way? Somehow, nevertheless, GE managed to employ the best of both worlds, in which the mastermind of an elaborate world-domination scheme happened to be Bond's close friend/ally/equal, and in the end they manage to go mano-a-mano in the most physical way.
This is another reason I find CR a far better film. We're not just told Bond is reckless but see it in action, for instance. Constantly, from his near disastrous fight in yet another bathroom to his chase (while crashing through drywall, no less) and shooting of Molaka to his breaking into M's apartment. And LeChiffre isn't just some guy on a train barking orders but actually participates on pretty much every level as a villain. This is a far more realized story than GE, which brings up a lot but doesn't do as much with it, pretty much like all of Brosnan's Bonds. Like I said, my only real peeve is about the romance. I get they were in love -- that cheesy montage scene tells me so. But for a film that actually spent time investing in showing rather than telling and in creating whole scenes that were fully realized, it's the romance that seemed to get the short shrift.
008? He wasn't even in the films! M threatens Bond to replace him with 008 in GF and TLD. I'm sure if he would do some 00 stuff if Bond messed up and couldn't defeat 006.