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Topic: Pros and Cons: SPECTRE

Couldn't find a thread on this one.

Pros:
.Craig's performance. He reminds me of TB era Connery.
.The gunbarrel is FINALLY at the beginning. It still screwed up though.
.The PTS.
.The theme song has grown on me.
.The title sequence.
.The MI6 crew. Apart from Tanner.
.We get to see Bond's flat.
.The Rome scenes. Especially with Lucia.
.Christoph Waltz.
.Hinx.
.SNOW!
.The train fight.
.The crater base.
.The meteorite scene.
.The scene in the data room. Silly but kind of intense.
.The cat and scar.
.The final scene.

Cons:
.The Dead Are Alive.
.Thomas Newman's score, apart from the rooftop music during the PTS.
.The yellow filter. It ruins the Mexico and Austria scenes.
.Andrew Scott and Lea Seydoux. They're both either wooden or overacting.
.Unexciting action throughout apart from the PTS and train fight.
.Too large roles for the MI6 crew. Still can't stand Tanner.
.Retconning the previous three films. It almost tarnishes them.
.Mr. White's demise. He needed to go out with some flair. I do like the hurricane line.
.The Oberhauser subplot. Just have Blofeld be Blofeld for God's sake. Damn Mendes.
.To liars and killers.
.Pretty much every scene with Madeleine.
.The torture scene, apart from the Colonel Sun dialogue.
.The whole Nine Eyes plot and Bond being irrelevant is just boring. Surveillance is a problem but it doesn't make for entertaining viewing.
.Madeleine leaving Bond at the Hildebrand.
.The finale is lame. I still hate that now we can't reuse the real MI6 and the fact that that EON has pushed themselves into a corner for Bond 25.

Gets worse each time I watch it. But it ain't terrible.

5.5/10
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Last edited by Remington (9th May 2017 06:33)

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Re: Pros and Cons: SPECTRE

Pros

The scene with Mr. White

The fight with Mr. Hinx

The PTS (although it doesn't make much sense and could have been handled in a more suspenseful manner)

The ending where Bond and Madeline drive off together

The Q/Bond byplay

The premise of Bond being an assassin who has gotten tired of his work (not terribly original, but original for Bond).



Cons

The last third (everything after Bond and Madeline arrive at Blofeld's "secret" base in the middle of the desert where it could easily be observed by any spy satellite).

The car chase

The Blofeld/Bond foster brothers nonsense

Not enough Monica Bellucci

Didn't develop the Bond/Madeline relationship very well (compared to CR)

Attempt to inject Moore-era humor after establishing the "gritty" Bond

Shooting down Blofeld's helicopter with a single shot from a Walther PPK

Wasted Waltz

That all the other Craig-era villains and plots were related for the sole purpose of  causing Bond grief because Blofeld felt slighted by daddy. This was a bad idea for multiple reasons.

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Re: Pros and Cons: SPECTRE

Gala Brand wrote:

That all the other Craig-era villains and plots were related for the sole purpose of  causing Bond grief because Blofeld felt slighted by daddy. This was a bad idea for multiple reasons.

I don't remember seeing Dominic Greene on the list during that scene.
That could be considered a Pro of this Con though? (Does that make sense? It does in my head).

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Re: Pros and Cons: SPECTRE

asio wrote:
Gala Brand wrote:

That all the other Craig-era villains and plots were related for the sole purpose of  causing Bond grief because Blofeld felt slighted by daddy. This was a bad idea for multiple reasons.

I don't remember seeing Dominic Greene on the list during that scene.
That could be considered a Pro of this Con though? (Does that make sense? It does in my head).

He was:

Fate
Quantum of Solace - Greene abandoned in the desert
Bond strands Greene in the middle of the Atacama desert.
Bond captures Greene, who reveals everything he knows about Quantum. In exchange, Bond doesn't kill him. He leaves him in the middle of the desert that Greene had just bought, and gives him a can of motor oil, betting that he'll make it twenty miles before he's tempted to drink it. Later, M tells Bond that Greene was found dead in the desert, with two bullets in the base of his skull and motor oil in his stomach; implying his execution by Quantum for leaking information. The character was later mentioned in the 2015 film Spectre, his photograph included amongst other members of the SPECTRE organization.