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Connery really struck gold with GF.

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"

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1) Brosnan 2) Dalton 3) Moore 4) Connery 5) Lazenby and Craig

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Just re-watched this on my BluRay marathon...

Pros:

- PTS
- Connery still looks great, nice haircut
- Pussy Galore is very sexy
- Auric Goldfinger is a classic villain, well acted by Gert Frobe even with dubbing
- Plot is interesting and different
- Ken Adam's sets are great, especially depository - wow
- Oddjob is cool
- Switzerland is beautiful
- Golf scenes, meeting of Pussy are done very well
- Laser scene is tense, well shot, Laser looks impressive - well acted by Connery
- Connery's hilarious towelling jump-suit
- Title song - iconic
- "Classic" elements of the film - decent PTS, larger than life villain, henchman etc.
- The way SC says "Pussy"
- Improvement on soundtrack from FRWL

Cons:

- Becomes boring after meeting Pussy, very boring
- "Explain the plot" is dragged out for far too long
- Goons are cliched, humour is out of place (even though "What's with that trick pool table" makes me laugh)
- Goldfinger gets away on the plane to encounter Bond again! Stupid!
- Gassing scenes are  ajb007/crap
- Overuse of sets in some scenes are obvious, too much green screen at times - particularly in Miami
- Clearly no body in Lincoln that gets crushed
- Dodgy plane model
- "Beetles without earmuffs" is a very strange line - is Bond a granddad?
- American locations are dull
- Bond doesn't really do much at all after the fights in the woods - adds to how it becomes boring

Observations:

Is that Honey Ryder's dubbed voice, the hotel lady in FRWL turning up again to dub the girl in the PTS?
Major differences between Guy Hamilton and Terence Young, less sophisticated.

BluRay:

Not as amazing looking as DN and FRWL, seems as if the filming generally in GF is not as well done, duller locations may have something to do with this.  Still good though.

Overall:

I love elements of GF, but over-time am finding myself enjoying the film less and less. It seems to be dating and it isn't re-watching well - I find myself getting bored. Still, it is the classic Bond and I understand and can appreciate its place in the series.

Last edited by heartbroken_mr_drax (17th Nov 2015 10:04)

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Funny how GF hasn't aged well with you, oh well, we all experience Bond differently.

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The first part is simply brilliant - PTS, theme song, Miami, Golf game, Switzerland and on plane to US. The backgroud score when Oddjob captures 007 and TM is awesome.

The US parts may appear slow now but it has its moments. We also learn how clever GF is. Once 007 reaches Fort Knox, movie picks up again.

Overall, this is an amazing film which looks brilliant on BR.

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ajb007/cheers  watched it myself only a couple of nights ago. Great film.  ajb007/martini
and as you say, it looks fantastic on Bluray.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

ajb007/cheers  watched it myself only a couple of nights ago. Great film.  ajb007/martini
and as you say, it looks fantastic on Bluray.

The BR has the special feature "On tour with the Aston Martin DB5" which is interesting as well  ajb007/cheers

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Ok so I've just watched Goldfinger, and have forgotten how good a film it is.   

Interesting point in the film that it's the first time another 00 is mention not once but twice, and thats 008.

The only plot question mark is why does Bond make Tilly run from the safety of a bullet proof car, with a metal rear protective screen, into the woods where Oddjob throws his hat.  Surely she would have been safer to stay with Bond just doesn't make sense to me.

The first Bond movie I ever saw in a double header at the cinema with Thunderball in 1966, those two films are the reason i became a James Bond fan.

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am747 wrote:

The first part is simply brilliant - PTS, theme song, Miami, Golf game, Switzerland and on plane to US. The backgroud score when Oddjob captures 007 and TM is awesome.

The US parts may appear slow now but it has its moments. We also learn how clever GF is. Once 007 reaches Fort Knox, movie picks up again.

Overall, this is an amazing film which looks brilliant on BR.

I like it a lot, but it really does sag. Also Bond is pretty much incarcerated for much of the film and has little impact on the outcome

I don't have any friends

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am747 wrote:

The first part is simply brilliant - PTS, theme song, Miami, Golf game, Switzerland and on plane to US. The backgroud score when Oddjob captures 007 and TM is awesome.

The US parts may appear slow now but it has its moments. We also learn how clever GF is. Once 007 reaches Fort Knox, movie picks up again.

Overall, this is an amazing film which looks brilliant on BR.

I like it a lot, but it really does sag. Also Bond is pretty much incarcerated for much of the film and has little impact on the outcome

I don't have any friends

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It's a true classic,  and quite well redone from the book. Loved the road trip scenes,  but then I loved that section of the book, bond checking engine oil?! 
It may sag a little,  but bond being held prisoner works better for the film than bond becoming goldfingers secretary and taking notes as in the book.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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I will say, as a female, is lovely to see  Bond pursue a lady who was age appropriate *maybe even older SHOCKER* than him.

I've always wanted to have Christmas in Turkey

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VesperMelograno wrote:

I will say, as a female, is lovely to see  Bond pursue a lady who was age appropriate *maybe even older SHOCKER* than him.

Agreed - helps that the chemistry between Blackman/Connery was golden too. The only tarnish is the forcing and lesbian sub-plot - but hey, it's an old movie.

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heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:

- Becomes boring after meeting Pussy, very boring
- American locations are dull
- Bond doesn't really do much at all after the fights in the woods - adds to how it becomes boring

I love elements of GF, but over-time am finding myself enjoying the film less and less. It seems to be dating and it isn't re-watching well - I find myself getting bored. Still, it is the classic Bond and I understand and can appreciate its place in the series.

I feel very much the same way about GF, especially Bond's lack of real involvement in the story and how much everything drags after they get to Kentucky. Once Bond is taken prisoner the film loses all of its momentum.

I hesitate to call it "dated" because I do not agree with the concept that films "age," but it is certainly one of the most overrated films in the franchise.

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Still Number 1 in my rankings.  ajb007/martini

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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The golden Bond film.

Pros:
.Connery looks like he's having fun.
.Gert Frobe.
.Oddjob.
.Pussy Galore.
.Score and theme song.
.PTS is iconic.
.Everything from the gunbarrel to Pussy's intro is fantastic.
.The DB5.
.One of my favorite M scenes.
.The crushed car is stupid but hilarious.
."Are you having lunch at the WH too?".
.The fact that Hamilton says you're not supposed to take it seriously makes it easer to ignore the ridiculousness.

Cons:
.The back projection during the Miami scenes. I know Connery wasn't available but it looks lazy.
.Finale is a little silly.
.The second half isn't as good as the first. Its still entertaining so i cant complain too much.

9.5/10 ajb007/martini . While not as great as the Young films, it's hard not to like this movie.

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1. Connery 2. Moore 3.Dalton 4. Brosnan 5. Craig 6. Lazenby

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My only con would be Tilly Masterson. She's so unforgettable and honestly, unlikable. And she's a lousy shot!

Her sister Jill was quite likeable. But Tilly was just rather plain and forgetful.

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because of two of the changes from the novel, Tilly actually has no function in the plot

in the book:
1. Jill is murdered after Bond leaves her, Tilly is the one to tell Bond what happened. If filmed that way, the murder would have happened offscreen. The filmmakers rightly saw the cinematic potential of painting a girl all in gold, thus there is nothing for her sister to tell when she finally meets Bond
2. she is in the story all the way til Fort Knox, and would appear to be the primary Bondgirl of the adventure until Pussy Galore is introduced, much later than in the movie. The filmmakers chose to introduce Pussy much earlier, and give her many more scenes, again correctly (especially since she was being played by TV star Honor Blackman). Also Tilly was a lesbian too and both females were more interested in each other than either was in Bond. The filmmakers chose to leave that aspect out altogether, the cowards.

so that means all that was left for her to do in the film was the iconic race across the alps, great visuals, iconic Bond moment, but adds nothing to the plot. Fleming himself repeated a near identical scene in OHMSS (he liked women who could drive crazy sportscars, Domino is also a crazy driver in her book), so even that scene did not need to be in the Goldfinger film.

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A golden Bond film for sure, but just not as much in my opinion.

Pro's:
* Connery's epic performance
* The first half of the movie - just pure gold right throughout, especially in Switzerland
* The introduction of the Aston Martin DB5
* Goldfinger and Odd Job's performances
* The amazing car chase in the dead of dark
* A hell of a great build up
* Honour Blackman's performance
* The entire plot to times Goldfinger's gold value by x10
* The score by John Barry shines yet again
* The golf scene in the UK - very suspenseful and funny at times

Cons:

* As someone above mentioned, it wasn't as good as the previous two films directed by Terrence Young
* Bond has no real ally throughout. This is tough considering he had heaps in the previous films, and here it really feels like he's on his own. Leiter doesn't count as he is not even with Bond most of the time
* The second half of the film can be very slow, and at one or two moments a little boring
* Bad plot holes that I couldn't understand - Goldfinger gassing the room *after having explained his plan
* Goldfinger's death on a plane
* I felt like Bond and Galore didn't have much chemistry as the previous films
* Tilly Masterson. Really bad personality and bad character, at least compared with her amazing sister
* The car chase was great, but the fact that Bond did not escape scott free was a letdown, compared with future car scenes

I would give it a 7/10. I would put Dr No ahead, and From Russia With Love as the 'perfect' Connery film.

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Wadsy wrote:

Goldfinger gassing the room *after having explained his plan

Then we wouldn't have heard "Hey! What's with that trick pool table!?"

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I don't get it? lol

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I think it's there for US, the audience, not everyone has read the book and it helps to set up in the mind.
What this gas will do to the thousands of men, women and children  living near by. ?

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I think it's there for US, the audience, not everyone has read the book and it helps to set up in the mind.
What this gas will do to the thousands of men, women and children  living near by. ?

Blaming it on the US? Bond films never give the Americans a break!  ajb007/wink