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Craig is better when his Bond suffers ie the first three films.  In Spectre he seems to be enjoying himself more, and it doesn't suit him. Plus the film is far too long for what it is.
Otherwise, loved it.

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Chriscoop wrote:

I have issues with Nolans batman trilogy also,  the first two were excellent,  the last one I just didn't enjoy as much.  It seemed to be retreading similar ground to other films in terms of context, the whole reluctant hero who's getting too old for this kind of thing,  who then comes back.... It's been done to death and I'll never forgive mendes for taking the reboot and throwing it in the bin and turning bond into an ageing agent and piling on the personal inter connected story arks and bond constantly going rogue!  Enough already,  if the writers can't come up with an exciting original  bond adventure by using its rich history and revisiting the novels without all this personal stuff then they should be replaced.

I Think Nolan's lack of enthusiasm in doing another Batman film was obvious in Dark Knight Rises. I still really enjoy the film but his mind was probably more fixated on Interstellar's pre-production then doing another Batman.

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Dark Knight rises was so bloated and slow.  I found it a rather painful end to the trilogy.

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I watched it a couple of times more, and I feel exactly the same as after seeing it the first time: the third act sinks the picture from top ten to a mere average. Blofeld was misused, and rescuing the girl from a building about to be demolished is not exactly original. Neither is a scene involving the bad guy and an helicopter a brilliant end to the film (it opens the very same movie).

And it's a pity, because it does have brilliant material: great cast, an established Bond, the PTS is marvellous, the Rome scenes are great, the austrian scenes, the train fight (IMO, the best ever in the series ,yes, including FRWL). But just after the train fight, when they get to Blofeld's lair, the movie begins to sink and sink, until it stops dead and it left me with a feeling of unrealised potential.

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Virgil37 wrote:

I feel exactly the same as after seeing it the first time: the third act sinks the picture from top ten to a mere average.

Completely agree. I recall watching it in the cinema and feeling that the minute they got off the train something just changed. I couldn't put my finger on it at the time, but I'm sure if I watched it again, I'd feel the same.

I read some of the press coverage of the Sony hack at the time, and they reported that there was significant rewriting of the third act strongly pushed by the studio. I think you can see that up on the screen. It feels rushed and confused and doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

The split finale action really breaks all storytelling rules. Two climaxes running in parallel divides the audience's attention and weakens the suspense.

Also, too long by at least 20 to 30 minutes. Needed to be tighter.

It was a shame because I was really looking forward to them getting back to Spectre, since TB is my all time favourite.

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SP is an end to an era. A very good one that makes the era not a total loss.

Four years after, a new era should begin. Anything else is insane or BB's sense of wicked humour.

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Virgil37 wrote:

...rescuing the girl from a building about to be demolished is not exactly original...

when you phrase it like that, it actually echoes the end of Casino Royale. But there the collapse of the building was an accident, and Bond failed to save Vesper. Since Blofeld was behind everything all along he certainly knew this, and may even have been secretly behind the collapsing building in Venice?

Virgil37 wrote:

... Neither is a scene involving the bad guy and an helicopter a brilliant end to the film (it opens the very same movie).

I thought this was meant to give the movie symmetry. It seemed deliberate. Unfortunately the brilliance of the opening helicopter scene just makes the concluding helicopter scene look even stoopider by inviting comparison.

MrGore wrote:

The split finale action really breaks all storytelling rules. Two climaxes running in parallel divides the audience's attention and weakens the suspense.

I wish you could explain this to the contemporary filmmaking industry because it seems to happen in every single mainstream popcorn blockbuster these days. The characters get broken into smaller groups and each face parallel crises and resolutions, in increasingly smaller time chunks. The different plot-strands are often forced to artificially fit the same timescale to make this happen, requiring even more of that damn slo-mo. Its gotten annoying how predictable this formula has become.

The Bond filmmakers were doing this as early as Die Another Day. You know if Bond could have just killed Miranda himself, Jinx would have not been required in the plot at all?

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caractacus potts wrote:
Virgil37 wrote:

...rescuing the girl from a building about to be demolished is not exactly original...

when you phrase it like that, it actually echoes the end of Casino Royale. But there the collapse of the building was an accident, and Bond failed to save Vesper. Since Blofeld was behind everything all along he certainly knew this, and may even have been secretly behind the collapsing building in Venice?

Virgil37 wrote:

... Neither is a scene involving the bad guy and an helicopter a brilliant end to the film (it opens the very same movie).

I thought this was meant to give the movie symmetry. It seemed deliberate. Unfortunately the brilliance of the opening helicopter scene just makes the concluding helicopter scene look even stoopider by inviting comparison.

You make good points. Yes, it echoes Casino Royale. Blofeld might have wanted Bond to suffer seeing another girl he loves die inside a collapsing building. And yet, my point there's nothing spectacular, or even tense, not to mention original, in the whole scene. He rescues the girl who's in danger. In CR there was tension. He knew Vesper had betrayed him, he loved her, he just submitted his resignation...Different story.
And maybe you're right and they tried to booked the movie with two helicopters...However, if they did, it failed. The PTS is magnificent, but a similar scene to close the movie? Blofeld's helicopter falling? It would have been more spectacular actually remaking the FYEO PTS.

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ajb007/martini  nice photo.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

ajb007/martini  nice photo.

Waltz has very nice...earlobes.

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Dirty Punker wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

ajb007/martini  nice photo.

Waltz has very nice...earlobes.

One helpful physical point may be that the real de Bleuchamps are without ear lobes. It's not the sort of thing we rely on, but it could help.

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