I think it works much better than a normal gun under water, but only in short ranges on land.
I cannot understand this? I think a bullet would only go even only a few metres under the water? This must be special ammunition, but even so the bullet would not go far in the water. As I say only a few metres? I don't know this as I have never seen this gun before, so perhaps some one could explain if I get this wrong.
I think it works much better than a normal gun under water, but only in short ranges on land.
I cannot understand this? I think a bullet would only go even only a few metres under the water? This must be special ammunition, but even so the bullet would not go far in the water. As I say only a few metres? I don't know this as I have never seen this gun before, so perhaps some one could explain if I get this wrong.
They often fire flechettes not standard bullets, this means that there is no rifling in the barrels, obviously accuracy is no where near as good as a standard weapon.
I think it works much better than a normal gun under water, but only in short ranges on land.
I cannot understand this? I think a bullet would only go even only a few metres under the water? This must be special ammunition, but even so the bullet would not go far in the water. As I say only a few metres? I don't know this as I have never seen this gun before, so perhaps some one could explain if I get this wrong.
The H&K P11 has a five round chamber with each cartridge/barrel being individually factory sealed by Heckler & Koch. It fires a steel dart which is powered by a battery pack built into the pistol grip & powder sealed in the cartridge. When all 5 rounds have been fired the entire barrel assembly has to be returned to H&K to be reloaded. The projectile is 7.62mm x 100mm, is more like a rocket than a conventional round being fired from an unrifled barrel. The effective range is around 15 metres in and 30 metres out of water. The pin like item illustrated below the pistol is the projectile.
But underwater guns don't use bullets, They fire darts:
I think they use a elctric charge to set off some kind of propellant.
But this dart is not effective enough on land. The Soviets made a rifle during the cold war called the APS. IT could alternate between underwater darts and normal AK-47 rounds for firing on land. The APS rifle:
Then there is the newer Russian ADS rifle. It uses both normal rifle ammunition and underwater dart ammunition of the same size, making it possible to use the same magazine well.
I write this here. It is not a question. I read the private Bond auction discusion about de activated guns. This reminds me f a time only perhaps 2 years ago when I went to a outdoors sale of second hand things. I saw a revolver on one of this tables and picked it up. I do not know what it was but it was a heavy gun which broke like a shot gun and the ejector came out to throw out the cases, some one might know which gun this is?. I looked at the gun and the woman selling it I think said she had got it from clearing a house of someone. I looked closely at the gun. It was a live gun exept that the firing pin had been filed of on the hammer. I do not know that this was against the laws. I did not buy this gun, she aid it was de activated whic I suppose it was but to make it fire again all the person who bought it would be to put another hammer on it. I know a lot of people was looking at it so I suppose it was sold that day.
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Sounds like a Webley.
The new laws came into effect only in May this year, so the revolver you saw could have been deactivated to an older specification and was perfectly legal to sell then.
This is not the gun. I see here that it has a firing pin and the hammer is flat. The one i saw was like this to look at but it had the hammer as a normal revolver. It was the end of the hamer that was filed away. I looked at this gun but it was not drilled out in the barrel of the chambers or filled in, it was a live gun execpt for the hammer. This must be the old de activation as you say.
I went to place where they were doing the military show of WW2. There was some Home guards enactors and I looked at there rifles. It was a bolt action. When I tried to work the bolt it just came out in my hand! This must be part of the new de activation.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
It was probably the Enfield then. Similar to the Webley, but not as good.
The new laws came into effect only in May this year, so the revolver you saw could have been deactivated to an older specification and was perfectly legal to sell then.
I've been reading about Winston Churchill. His personal bodyguard during WWII carried a Webly revolver. When Churchill saw this he got him a Colt 45 automatic. Later Churchill discovered the bodyguard still carried the revolver and when he asked why, the officer replied he prefered the Webly. "Give it to me, then." said Churchill. The rest of the war the PM carried the Colt in the pocket of his coat.
According to the bodyguard Churchill practiced with it regularely and could hit a man-sized target at a 100 yards.
Every one carried a Wembley
They are also used as an alternative for British army officers to resigning....... On that note, pass me the mess Webley Bond44 there's a good chap
Antique firearms have a whole different set of laws.... Or did I don't know how the new legislation effected them?
I do know the Webly was very common among British offisers pre-1945. I'm not sure Churchill carried one, but early in his career he favoured the Mauser "Broomhandle" pistol. He took part in a an attack in Sudan ca. 1898, probably the last British cavalry charge. The British used lances, but because of of an earlier accident Churchill used the Mauser.
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Churchill loved his .45. It's in the War Rooms in Whitehall. He did have a Webley, and he carried one (and Enfield) during his earlier military career but he preferred the 1911. Yes, he was very good with it.
I wonder whom among world leaders are/were the most skilled with a gun?
Today I would guess Benjamin Netanyahu who was a special forces officer, the Israeli equalent of the SAS.
Theodor Roosevelt was an experienced officer and Hunter.
Who else?
I wonder whom among world leaders are/were the most skilled with a gun?
Today I would guess Benjamin Netanyahu who was a special forces officer, the Israeli equalent of the SAS.
Theodor Roosevelt was an experienced officer and Hunter.
Who else?
Putin can probably shoot, yes. But he never served on the other side of the iron curtain.
Maunu Koivisto, former president of Finland, served in an elite LRRP unit during the Continuation War against the USSR 1941-44.
King Harald V of Norway isn't strictly speaking a world leader, but SOE agent Max Manus trained Harald to shoot. Later he was a cavalry officer and he still hunts elk every year.
It's very difficult to make it as a politician in Israel without a very good military reccord.
Rabin served in Palmach, the most elite unit in the Jewish underground military before independence.
Ehud Barak served as a special forces officer in the same unit as Netanyahu.
Churchill loved his .45. It's in the War Rooms in Whitehall. He did have a Webley, and he carried one (and Enfield) during his earlier military career but he preferred the 1911. Yes, he was very good with it.
Any pictures of this 1911 online? Looked but didn't find any.
Every one carried a Wembley
They are also used as an alternative for British army officers to resigning....... On that note, pass me the mess Webley Bond44 there's a good chap
Antique firearms have a whole different set of laws.... Or did I don't know how the new legislation effected them?
Did someone mention the Mess Webley? - still going strong these days. Make a boo boo in the Mess then one must go draw the Mess Webley and dispatch themselves to their maker. Of course when surrounded by the fuzzy wuzzies always save the last bullet for oneself naturally - no surrender!
Who says tradition is dead in the Officers Mess.
Cheers :007)
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
Every one carried a Wembley
They are also used as an alternative for British army officers to resigning....... On that note, pass me the mess Webley Bond44 there's a good chap
Antique firearms have a whole different set of laws.... Or did I don't know how the new legislation effected them?
Did someone mention the Mess Webley? - still going strong these days. Make a boo boo in the Mess then one must go draw the Mess Webley and dispatch themselves to their maker. Of course when surrounded by the fuzzy wuzzies always save the last bullet for oneself naturally - no surrender!
Who says tradition is dead in the Officers Mess.
Cheers :007)
I wonder if the SABS has a Webley in the back office desk drawer?
Oh, yes. I forgot that was the topic.
BTW: Did you know that the high Scandinavian suicide rates is myth?
Some say president Truman started the rumour to scare people from demanding a wellfare state.
Oh, yes. I forgot that was the topic.
BTW: Did you know that the high Scandinavian suicide rates is myth?
Some say president Truman started the rumour to scare people from demanding a wellfare state.
I've vaguely heard that, I've also heard that eventually some Scandinavians who live very far north will evolve large eyes.
Oh, yes. I forgot that was the topic.
BTW: Did you know that the high Scandinavian suicide rates is myth?
Some say president Truman started the rumour to scare people from demanding a wellfare state.
I've vaguely heard that, I've also heard that eventually some Scandinavians who live very far north will evolve large eyes.
I've never heard that one before )
I mixed up the presidents. It was Eisenhover who claimed welfare leads to suicide.
Catching up with TLD tonight, I was wondering about Bond at the fairground shooting range. With the
Owner asking him to stop, as he was obviously too good.
Have any of the experienced shooters here, ever tried to win a big prize in a fairground arcade shooting
Range ?
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Got one. It's, er..... different.
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I cannot understand this? I think a bullet would only go even only a few metres under the water? This must be special ammunition, but even so the bullet would not go far in the water. As I say only a few metres? I don't know this as I have never seen this gun before, so perhaps some one could explain if I get this wrong.
They often fire flechettes not standard bullets, this means that there is no rifling in the barrels, obviously accuracy is no where near as good as a standard weapon.
The H&K P11 has a five round chamber with each cartridge/barrel being individually factory sealed by Heckler & Koch. It fires a steel dart which is powered by a battery pack built into the pistol grip & powder sealed in the cartridge. When all 5 rounds have been fired the entire barrel assembly has to be returned to H&K to be reloaded. The projectile is 7.62mm x 100mm, is more like a rocket than a conventional round being fired from an unrifled barrel. The effective range is around 15 metres in and 30 metres out of water. The pin like item illustrated below the pistol is the projectile.
http://modernfirearms.net/handguns/hg/de/hk-p11-underwater-e.html
But underwater guns don't use bullets, They fire darts:
I think they use a elctric charge to set off some kind of propellant.
But this dart is not effective enough on land. The Soviets made a rifle during the cold war called the APS. IT could alternate between underwater darts and normal AK-47 rounds for firing on land. The APS rifle:
Then there is the newer Russian ADS rifle. It uses both normal rifle ammunition and underwater dart ammunition of the same size, making it possible to use the same magazine well.
The new laws came into effect only in May this year, so the revolver you saw could have been deactivated to an older specification and was perfectly legal to sell then.
I've been reading about Winston Churchill. His personal bodyguard during WWII carried a Webly revolver. When Churchill saw this he got him a Colt 45 automatic. Later Churchill discovered the bodyguard still carried the revolver and when he asked why, the officer replied he prefered the Webly. "Give it to me, then." said Churchill. The rest of the war the PM carried the Colt in the pocket of his coat.
According to the bodyguard Churchill practiced with it regularely and could hit a man-sized target at a 100 yards.
They are also used as an alternative for British army officers to resigning....... On that note, pass me the mess Webley Bond44 there's a good chap
Antique firearms have a whole different set of laws.... Or did I don't know how the new legislation effected them?
Today I would guess Benjamin Netanyahu who was a special forces officer, the Israeli equalent of the SAS.
Theodor Roosevelt was an experienced officer and Hunter.
Who else?
I'll bet that pesky Putin can hit a target!
Maunu Koivisto, former president of Finland, served in an elite LRRP unit during the Continuation War against the USSR 1941-44.
King Harald V of Norway isn't strictly speaking a world leader, but SOE agent Max Manus trained Harald to shoot. Later he was a cavalry officer and he still hunts elk every year.
Rabin served in Palmach, the most elite unit in the Jewish underground military before independence.
Ehud Barak served as a special forces officer in the same unit as Netanyahu.
Bear rug. ............ It's not dead, It's just too frightened to move.
Any pictures of this 1911 online? Looked but didn't find any.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Who says tradition is dead in the Officers Mess.
Cheers :007)
I wonder if the SABS has a Webley in the back office desk drawer?
BTW: Did you know that the high Scandinavian suicide rates is myth?
Some say president Truman started the rumour to scare people from demanding a wellfare state.
I've never heard that one before
I mixed up the presidents. It was Eisenhover who claimed welfare leads to suicide.
Owner asking him to stop, as he was obviously too good.
Have any of the experienced shooters here, ever tried to win a big prize in a fairground arcade shooting
Range ?