I think it's safe to say, that the safety procedures are there to negate accidental discharge of the firearm and as we've discussed before not observing procedures and protocol results in injury and death, even the professionals get it wrong, only last week British servicemen were on the wrong side of procedural failing all be it with a tank. We can all become relaxed and casual with things we are very familiar with, especially if you spend a lot of time with your weapon . But sticking to the correct rules almost eliminates accidental discharge.
On the Glock incident, it doesn't surprise me at all! I know the Glock is an excellent weapon and extensively used but I was never a fan of that safety trigger on the trigger.....much prefered the Hi power....
While it is true that only the P99 and P90 were passed with loaded Magazines (no "clips" were used in any firearm), both were done so safely in accordiance with general firearm safety rules.: finger off the trigger, safeties engaged, and muzzles pointed in a safe direction and nobody crossed the line of fire.. After every firearm was fired, including the Jetfire, I tilt the firearm to check the chamber before removing the magazine. The commands you refer to are generally only used for competitions, qualifications, and when a cease fire needs to be conducted by the RSO.
The methods you said are of course optimal, but at no time was there unsafe handling of a firearm.
Use the acronym SAFE
S: Suppose all firearms are loaded and treat them as such.
A: Aim firearms in a safe direction
F: Finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire
E: Everything in the path of the bullet is accounted for.
Thanks for emphasizing that there were only magazines, Ray. In my world, improper use of the word "clip" on the range earns the violator extra physical fitness opportunities.
The SAFE method has been my personal and professional experience for the last 20+ years. It sounds like different regions adopt slightly different protocols. That doesn't necessarily make the other protocols taboo. But ppw3o6r's original point was well made - at the end of the day, there's no such thing as being too cautious.
While it is true that only the P99 and P90 were passed with loaded Magazines (no "clips" were used in any firearm), both were done so safely in accordiance with general firearm safety rules.: finger off the trigger, safeties engaged, and muzzles pointed in a safe direction and nobody crossed the line of fire.. After every firearm was fired, including the Jetfire, I tilt the firearm to check the chamber before removing the magazine. The commands you refer to are generally only used for competitions, qualifications, and when a cease fire needs to be conducted by the RSO.
The methods you said are of course optimal, but at no time was there unsafe handling of a firearm.
Use the acronym SAFE
S: Suppose all firearms are loaded and treat them as such.
A: Aim firearms in a safe direction
F: Finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire
E: Everything in the path of the bullet is accounted for.
Thanks for emphasizing that there were only magazines, Ray. In my world, improper use of the word "clip" on the range earns the violator extra physical fitness opportunities.
The SAFE method has been my personal and professional experience for the last 20+ years. It sounds like different regions adopt slightly different protocols. That doesn't necessarily make the other protocols taboo. But ppw3o6r's original point was well made - at the end of the day, there's no such thing as being too cautious.
i liked it very much, thanks for sharing, very good and accurate shooting. You are perfeclty filling the gap, Bond firearms niche was not as well covered as clothing. Also, there are not really many video reviews on the P99, specially on the first generation one.
I agree on the perfect trigger and ergonomics. is bad for walther they don't sell it that much, but is nice at the same time it is not a pistol for the masses, like Bonds gadgets and clothing. Is exclusive. Also, despite not being a popular gun, is a very iconic one. I already liked it so much before it appeared in "Tomorrow never dies".
I guess that the close fit of the suits were the main cause of dropping the P99 in favor of the PPK. even with casual clothes, with the close skinny fit portrayed in the movie is difficult to conceal a P99.
I would like to see it in a Bond movie but given the aforementioned aspects is going to be difficult.
It would be great for Bond to carry both, P99 and ppk as a back up. Alla John Wick.
I've gotta admit that I wasn't a big fan of the P99 before it appeared in CR. I've owned several Gen 1s (and only Gen 1s) since. Bond pedigree of the Gen 1 aside, the redesign just doesn't look as distinctive IMO. Getting into the weeds even further, I prefer the early 100% roll marked versions over those with any laser etching.
My guess is that the PPK returned because the fans and filmmakers simply wanted it to and/or a Walther product placement contract expired. Combat-caliber pistols will always have their place in the tactical operations arena. I don't think the P99 or a newer Walther will appear any time soon as it seems SIG 9mms have assumed the MI6-issued combat pistol role in the DC franchise.
i liked it very much, thanks for sharing, very good and accurate shooting. You are perfeclty filling the gap, Bond firearms niche was not as well covered as clothing. Also, there are not really many video reviews on the P99, specially on the first generation one.
I agree on the perfect trigger and ergonomics. is bad for walther they don't sell it that much, but is nice at the same time it is not a pistol for the masses, like Bonds gadgets and clothing. Is exclusive. Also, despite not being a popular gun, is a very iconic one. I already liked it so much before it appeared in "Tomorrow never dies".
I guess that the close fit of the suits were the main cause of dropping the P99 in favor of the PPK. even with casual clothes, with the close skinny fit portrayed in the movie is difficult to conceal a P99.
I would like to see it in a Bond movie but given the aforementioned aspects is going to be difficult.
It would be great for Bond to carry both, P99 and ppk as a back up. Alla John Wick.
Regards.
I never thought about the clothing style possibly being a reason. That's a really good point
I've gotta admit that I wasn't a big fan of the P99 before it appeared in CR. I've owned several Gen 1s (and only Gen 1s) since. Bond pedigree of the Gen 1 aside, the redesign just doesn't look as distinctive IMO. Getting into the weeds even further, I prefer the early 100% roll marked versions over those with any laser etching.
My guess is that the PPK returned because the fans and filmmakers simply wanted it to and/or a Walther product placement contract expired. Combat-caliber pistols will always have their place in the tactical operations arena. I don't think the P99 or a newer Walther will appear any time soon as it seems SIG 9mms have assumed the MI6-issued combat pistol role in the DC franchise.
At least they're staying with the German firearm roots, Walther, Sig Sauer, H&K, etc. I really like the idea of the Walther PPQ Mod 2. Navy. Commander Bond and all, but can't picture not having the PPK around
Daniel used a suppressed P99 to despatch MI6 section chief Dryden (his second kill) however he used a Walther PPK to terminate Doud Shah & earn oo status in the pre-titles washroom fight sequence which lead directly into Daniel's first Prologue/gun barrel sequence so yes ASP9mm is sure! 8-)
BTW, this is the actual PPK from the Casino Royale pre-titles -{
Don't take IMFDB as gospel. They ripped off my pictures of the props for CR and SKYFALL and get the information all wrong. Anyone can edit it without approval, so not accurate.
At the tail end of the bathroom fight sequence Bond is retrIeving his PPK from the floor, Fisher wakes up next to the sink and grabs his own gun that he dropped after being smashed into the mirror. So, the PPK is Bond's first kill in Casino Royale chronologically, but the P-99 is first on film. Both are in Casino Royale, but that's the only time we see the PPK in Bond's hands until QOS
Thanks for helping me outa the bottom of the dogpile, Ray. 8-)
Anyway, clearly the point of my statement about the PPK not coming back earlier with DC was missed. Yes, technically the PPK returned in CR. But not really.
To clarify for anyone still confused: What I meant was...if DC was the driving force behind the PPK's return, why wasn't it used throughout the entirety of CR.
And I don't take IMFDB as gospel. I know it's open to random edits like Wikipedia. That said, I also saw CR. IMFDB in this particular case is pretty spot on as far as I can tell.
I edit, therefore I am.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
Basically because DC didn't have as much creative input into CR as he did with later films. His input was so great on the use of the PPK from QoS onwards, that they actually cast a special version, at his request, with a cocked hammer. That was never done before on a Bond film and is a testament to Craig's interest in getting continuity and actions correct.
His input was so great on the use of the PPK from QoS onwards, that they actually cast a special version, at his request, with a cocked hammer. That was never done before on a Bond film and is a testament to Craig's interest in getting continuity and actions correct.
It's DAO or...
a reasonable rate of return
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
It's probably worth mentioning that in the original cut of Casino Royale Bond pursues Fisher into the washroom of a cricket ground where he draws his PPK from his hip holster & whacks Fisher across the side of the head with it before dropping it in the lengthy pre-titles brawl where DC hurt his hand quite badly. Two PPK pistols were used in the sequence. An incredibly soft rubber one which would float away with a well aimed fart and a practical blank fire which is retrieved off the floor to terminate Fisher which then lead into DC's first Prologue. A similar soft rubber PPK was created to be lobbed at Hinx's head in SPECTRE by Dr Swann but this also did not make the final cut! -{
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On the Glock incident, it doesn't surprise me at all! I know the Glock is an excellent weapon and extensively used but I was never a fan of that safety trigger on the trigger.....much prefered the Hi power....
pm me if interested.
https://youtu.be/jyVBDg6XskU
Thanks for emphasizing that there were only magazines, Ray. In my world, improper use of the word "clip" on the range earns the violator extra physical fitness opportunities.
The SAFE method has been my personal and professional experience for the last 20+ years. It sounds like different regions adopt slightly different protocols. That doesn't necessarily make the other protocols taboo. But ppw3o6r's original point was well made - at the end of the day, there's no such thing as being too cautious.
Lol, I concur whole heartedly!
https://youtu.be/_P-STsBypUQ
I agree on the perfect trigger and ergonomics. is bad for walther they don't sell it that much, but is nice at the same time it is not a pistol for the masses, like Bonds gadgets and clothing. Is exclusive. Also, despite not being a popular gun, is a very iconic one. I already liked it so much before it appeared in "Tomorrow never dies".
I guess that the close fit of the suits were the main cause of dropping the P99 in favor of the PPK. even with casual clothes, with the close skinny fit portrayed in the movie is difficult to conceal a P99.
I would like to see it in a Bond movie but given the aforementioned aspects is going to be difficult.
It would be great for Bond to carry both, P99 and ppk as a back up. Alla John Wick.
Regards.
I've gotta admit that I wasn't a big fan of the P99 before it appeared in CR. I've owned several Gen 1s (and only Gen 1s) since. Bond pedigree of the Gen 1 aside, the redesign just doesn't look as distinctive IMO. Getting into the weeds even further, I prefer the early 100% roll marked versions over those with any laser etching.
My guess is that the PPK returned because the fans and filmmakers simply wanted it to and/or a Walther product placement contract expired. Combat-caliber pistols will always have their place in the tactical operations arena. I don't think the P99 or a newer Walther will appear any time soon as it seems SIG 9mms have assumed the MI6-issued combat pistol role in the DC franchise.
It was DC who wanted and influenced the return of the PPK. Amazingly Walther has never had a contract for product placement.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_(2006)
BTW, this is the actual PPK from the Casino Royale pre-titles -{
Pe-titles suppressed Generation 3 P99
Notice please, the point of the PPK.
Don't take IMFDB as gospel. They ripped off my pictures of the props for CR and SKYFALL and get the information all wrong. Anyone can edit it without approval, so not accurate.
Anyway, clearly the point of my statement about the PPK not coming back earlier with DC was missed. Yes, technically the PPK returned in CR. But not really.
To clarify for anyone still confused: What I meant was...if DC was the driving force behind the PPK's return, why wasn't it used throughout the entirety of CR.
And I don't take IMFDB as gospel. I know it's open to random edits like Wikipedia. That said, I also saw CR. IMFDB in this particular case is pretty spot on as far as I can tell.
A PPK isn't DAO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNvzNWuzI9Y