Bond 25 wishlist

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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    In earlier posts I've written that they should use more Bondian names for characters. Case in point:I'm now listening to an interview of a former CIA agent who was station chief in many countries. His name? John Sipher :007)

    Love 'nominative determinism ' :)
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • Mr_OsatoMr_Osato Posts: 398MI6 Agent
    edited November 2018
    My ultimate wish list:

    - a ski chase
    - David Arnold score
    - More Bond theme
    - Bond sweeping the rooms for bugs
    - Bond doing real spy stuff, or as James Bond Radio calls it: sneaky Bond
    - No more rogue stuff: I want Bond to come to M's office in the beginning of the movie, get a mission and go on with it.
    - On that topic: I dont want the whole MI6 team to be involved. Stick to their core jobs please: Moneypenny is a secretary, Q is the quartermaster and M has a deskjob managing the 007's.
    - I want Bond to womanize more. This differentiates Bond from the Ethan Hunt's: he is a charmer, a sophisticated gentleman.
    - On that topic: I want Bond to be snobbish again: I want a monologue about a certain wine, whiskey etc..
    - Minions: lots of them :)
    - Mason and Sons to take care of Bond's suits
    - Turnbull and Asser for the shirts and ties
    - Bond in navy costume
    - Matt S as clothes consultant
    - Bond wearing a Rolex
    - The introduction of May; Bond's housekeeper
    - A PTS that has nothing to do with the plot, but shows Bond having some fun
    - New locations for Bond. Please no Italy; I am hoping for lots of Asian locations

    That is all for now. I am sure I will add to the list later :)
    OHMSS, FRWL, DN, GF, CR, GE, SP, YOLT, TB, TSWLM, LALD, TLD, TND, FYEO, SF, MR, TMWTGG, TWINE, OP, AVTAK, DAF, LTK, QOS, DAD

    1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore
  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    Mr_Osato wrote:
    My ultimate wish list:
    (...)
    - Matt S as clothes consultant
    (...)
    That is all for now. I am sure I will add to the list later :)

    That would be great, maybe even including a cameo like the tailor in LALD :))
    "I'm sorry Mr Bond but that suit won't do. It looks like it belongs to your little brother"
    1. Ohmss 2. Frwl 3. Op 4. Tswlm 5. Tld 6. Ge 7. Yolt 8. Lald 9. Cr 10. Ltk 11. Dn 12. Gf 13. Qos 14. Mr 15. Tmwtgg 16. Fyeo 17. Twine 18. Sf 19. Tb 20 Tnd 21. Spectre 22 Daf 23. Avtak 24. Dad
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Peppermill wrote:
    Mr_Osato wrote:
    My ultimate wish list:
    (...)
    - Matt S as clothes consultant
    (...)
    That is all for now. I am sure I will add to the list later :)

    That would be great, maybe even including a cameo like the tailor in LALD :))
    "I'm sorry Mr Bond but that suit won't do. It looks like it belongs to your little brother"

    Thanks, fellas! Your confidence in me is much appreciated!
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  • DrydenDryden UKPosts: 131MI6 Agent
    Mr_Osato wrote:
    My ultimate wish list:

    - a ski chase
    - David Arnold score
    - More Bond theme
    - Bond sweeping the rooms for bugs
    - Bond doing real spy stuff, or as James Bond Radio calls it: sneaky Bond
    - No more rogue stuff: I want Bond to come to M's office in the beginning of the movie, get a mission and go on with it.
    - On that topic: I dont want the whole MI6 team to be involved. Stick to their core jobs please: Moneypenny is a secretary, Q is the quartermaster and M has a deskjob managing the 007's.
    - I want Bond to womanize more. This differentiates Bond from the Ethan Hunt's: he is a charmer, a sophisticated gentleman.
    - On that topic: I want Bond to be snobbish again: I want a monologue about a certain wine, whiskey etc..
    - Minions: lots of them :)
    - Mason and Sons to take care of Bond's suits
    - Turnbull and Asser for the shirts and ties
    - Bond in navy costume
    - Matt S as clothes consultant
    - Bond wearing a Rolex
    - The introduction of May; Bond's housekeeper
    - A PTS that has nothing to do with the plot, but shows Bond having some fun
    - New locations for Bond. Please no Italy; I am hoping for lots of Asian locations

    That is all for now. I am sure I will add to the list later :)

    I agreed with all of this except for the Rolex - as an Omega wearer I hope they stick with it as I can't afford to change brands!
  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,446MI6 Agent
    It’s past time Craig’s Bond wore a navy blazer.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    My friend and acknowledged Bond Accademic (whom I suspect of ghosting on this site although he denies it) has been contacted by a journo to seek his opinion 're Bond with a beard' . Apparently odds have been slashed. More silly season speculation, although we have already seen Bond straddle the stubble/beard hinterland. As a Naval officer a Beard is not unusual. I would not like to see it in 25 or subsequent installments though. Tom Cullen manages to pull it off though so who knows.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    My friend and acknowledged Bond Accademic (whom I suspect of ghosting on this site although he denies it) has been contacted by a journo to seek his opinion 're Bond with a beard' . Apparently odds have been slashed. More silly season speculation, although we have already seen Bond straddle the stubble/beard hinterland. As a Naval officer a Beard is not unusual. I would not like to see it in 25 or subsequent installments though. Tom Cullen manages to pull it off though so who knows.
    I think one reason why Bond's bit of stubble in SF was so popular is because facial hair seems to be way more common now in professional settings then it was in Bond's earlier days. I agree that Bond should always be clean shaven though unless he's in a scenario where he cant shave.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    My friend and acknowledged Bond Accademic (whom I suspect of ghosting on this site although he denies it) has been contacted by a journo to seek his opinion 're Bond with a beard' . Apparently odds have been slashed. More silly season speculation, although we have already seen Bond straddle the stubble/beard hinterland. As a Naval officer a Beard is not unusual. I would not like to see it in 25 or subsequent installments though. Tom Cullen manages to pull it off though so who knows.
    I think one reason why Bond's bit of stubble in SF was so popular is because facial hair seems to be way more common now in professional settings then it was in Bond's earlier days. I agree that Bond should always be clean shaven though unless he's in a scenario where he cant shave.

    Yep, times change and Bond reflects that.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    Many of us think we see too little of Bond's leisure activities in the modern Bond movies, but I would like to see a bit of the Leisure activities of the villans too, especially if it's cinematic and reveals his/her personality. I think illegal safari hunting in Africa is perfect. Hunting lions or hippos is dangerous, illegal (at least in some countries) and seen as villanous by many. It should also look great on the screen and an African location will be nice. It's cliché Africa I guess, but the safari could be an excuse to show us the modern and urban Africa too.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    - I want Bond and Madeline to break up early in the film because of his lifestyle and job

    - The MI6 needs information from Blofeld to stop some evil plot, but he insists he'll only talk to Madeline

    - Blofeld escapes near the middle of the movie, but it's not Madeline's fault. Perhaps the ultimate goal of the evil plot was to break Blofeld out of jail? Perhaps SPECTRE blackmails MI6 to release him, if not they'll blow up London or some other disaster?

    - Felix Leiter and Lucia Sciarra are married (only a short scene)

    - The Garden of Death at the end (no need for a Bond girl to die to motivate Bond)

    - Madeline and Bond depart as friends, Bond ends up with andother woman who also survives.
  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
    edited December 2018
    I think one reason why Bond's bit of stubble in SF was so popular is because facial hair seems to be way more common now in professional settings then it was in Bond's earlier days.
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Yep, times change and Bond reflects that.

    I remember in the early 2000’s, office wear became much more casual. Then the recession hit and the trend swung the other way, because workers felt they needed the edge in competing for jobs. I suspect the same is going to happen with facial hair in professional settings. I just get this vibe that it’s starting to be seen as lazy. Bond should keep on being classic and forget about trends.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    I want:

    Bond and Madeleine have already broken up at the beginning.

    Bond is depressed and screwing up his assignments and even Moneypenny is losing patience (like the beginning of the novel YOLT).

    Bond is given a routine assignment that even he can't screw up (exfiltration for example).

    He learns that something much bigger is going on and that Blofeld (who escapes from prison in the PTS) is behind it.

    The Garden of Death.

    Bond dies in order to save millions.

    Madeleine shows up at the funeral and makes a wry remark as she tosses a flower on his grave.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    And in Bond26 a new agent with the code name "James Bond" will be the main protagonist? ?:) :o :o
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    And in Bond26 a new agent with the code name "James Bond" will be the main protagonist? ?:) :o :o


    The fictional character James Bond is immortal. How many times has Sherlock Holmes died? Conan Doyle killed him first in 1893 and he's since died dozens of deaths in books, movies and TV shows but he's still going strong. There seems to be at least a couple of new Holmes movies or TV shows every year.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    Holmes didn't technically die in 1893. In fact I don't know of any films, novels or TV series where Holmes actually dies. The character has been portrayed by very many actors in many ways, but that's different from Bond. The Bond character has (almost) always been portrayed by EON.

    Actually killing Bond would mean ending the series or giving creedence to the code name theory, both ideas are horrible ideas IMO.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Holmes didn't technically die in 1893. In fact I don't know of any films, novels or TV series where Holmes actually dies. The character has been portrayed by very many actors in many ways, but that's different from Bond. The Bond character has (almost) always been portrayed by EON.

    Actually killing Bond would mean ending the series or giving creedence to the code name theory, both ideas are horrible ideas IMO.

    Holmes did die at Reichenbach Falls (Conan Doyle wrote in his diary that it was the end of Holmes!) but brought him back because the fans demanded it. He was able to do that because Holmes is a fictional character (and "The Final Problem" has been adapted many times with Holmes dying). And Bond would be brought back in a new set of films even if he dies in Bond 25.

    They'll still be producing James Bond books, movies, and TV shows long after I'm dead.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    Yes, Conan Doyle really meant to kill Holmes in the Reichenbach Falls. He intended this to be the end of the character, but due to popular demand he wrote more books where Holmes survived his fall. Did you suggest it should only look like Bond dies in Bond25, but come back in Bond26 and explain that he really didn't die? If not the Sherlock Holmes example isn't really applicable.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Yes, Conan Doyle really meant to kill Holmes in the Reichenbach Falls. He intended this to be the end of the character, but due to popular demand he wrote more books where Holmes survived his fall. Did you suggest it should only look like Bond dies in Bond25, but come back in Bond26 and explain that he really didn't die? If not the Sherlock Holmes example isn't really applicable.


    It can be done whatever way the producers of the film want to do it! We've already had the first scenario in the films YOLT and Skyfall and Fleming originally killed Bond off in FRWL (and intended for him to stay dead) but brought him back when the book proved to be a big hit.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    But you do realize that actually killing Bond in B25 will, if not prove, then at least give much credence to the sacriligious Code Name theory?
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    There should be clear water between credence and a revival.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    :))
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    It can be done whatever way the producers of the film want to do it! We've already had the first scenario in the films YOLT and Skyfall and Fleming originally killed Bond off in FRWL (and intended for him to stay dead) but brought him back when the book proved to be a big hit.

    Fleming did not kill Bond. He ended FRWL with Bond poisoned and unconscious, not dead. We're left not knowing if this poison has killed Bond or not.
    Visit my blog, Bond Suits
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    - I want Bond and Madeline to break up early in the film because of his lifestyle and job

    - The MI6 needs information from Blofeld to stop some evil plot, but he insists he'll only talk to Madeline. Does he really help the MI6? Does he know the plan or just people and places? There are several possibilities ...

    - Blofeld escapes near the middle of the movie, but it's not Madeline's fault. Perhaps the ultimate goal of the evil plot was to break Blofeld out of jail? Perhaps SPECTRE blackmails MI6 to release him, if not they'll blow up London or some other disaster?

    - Felix Leiter and Lucia Sciarra are married (only a short scene)

    - The Garden of Death at the end (no need for a Bond girl to die to motivate Bond)

    - Madeline and Bond depart as friends, Bond ends up with andother woman who also survives.


    I think these ideas deserve more attention (he said modestly :v )
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Gala Brand wrote:
    It can be done whatever way the producers of the film want to do it! We've already had the first scenario in the films YOLT and Skyfall and Fleming originally killed Bond off in FRWL (and intended for him to stay dead) but brought him back when the book proved to be a big hit.

    Fleming did not kill Bond. He ended FRWL with Bond poisoned and unconscious, not dead. We're left not knowing if this poison has killed Bond or not.

    "One of the significant re-writes changed Bond's fate; Fleming had become disenchanted with his books[9] and wrote to his friend, the American author Raymond Chandler: "My muse is in a very bad way ... I am getting fed up with Bond and it has been very difficult to make him go through his tawdry tricks."[10] Fleming re-wrote the end of the novel in April 1956 to make Klebb poison Bond, which allowed him to finish the series with the death of the character if he wanted."
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    Gala Brand wrote:
    It can be done whatever way the producers of the film want to do it! We've already had the first scenario in the films YOLT and Skyfall and Fleming originally killed Bond off in FRWL (and intended for him to stay dead) but brought him back when the book proved to be a big hit.

    Fleming did not kill Bond. He ended FRWL with Bond poisoned and unconscious, not dead. We're left not knowing if this poison has killed Bond or not.

    "One of the significant re-writes changed Bond's fate; Fleming had become disenchanted with his books[9] and wrote to his friend, the American author Raymond Chandler: "My muse is in a very bad way ... I am getting fed up with Bond and it has been very difficult to make him go through his tawdry tricks."[10] Fleming re-wrote the end of the novel in April 1956 to make Klebb poison Bond, which allowed him to finish the series with the death of the character if he wanted."

    Right. It's an open ending with a cliffhanger. It gave Fleming a way out and the ending allowed Fleming to say that Bond was dead if he wanted. But the ending also gave Fleming the option to bring Bond back because he never actually killed Bond in the book.
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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,757MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Gala Brand wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    Fleming did not kill Bond. He ended FRWL with Bond poisoned and unconscious, not dead. We're left not knowing if this poison has killed Bond or not.

    "One of the significant re-writes changed Bond's fate; Fleming had become disenchanted with his books[9] and wrote to his friend, the American author Raymond Chandler: "My muse is in a very bad way ... I am getting fed up with Bond and it has been very difficult to make him go through his tawdry tricks."[10] Fleming re-wrote the end of the novel in April 1956 to make Klebb poison Bond, which allowed him to finish the series with the death of the character if he wanted."

    Right. It's an open ending with a cliffhanger. It gave Fleming a way out and the ending allowed Fleming to say that Bond was dead if he wanted. But the ending also gave Fleming the option to bring Bond back because he never actually killed Bond in the book.

    Correct. And if they are going to “kill” Bond in this film, they should do it in the same way. In fact, I’m rather hoping that they go this route. I’m pretty tired of Craig’s Bond at this point. I don’t want him back again in 3-4 years time.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Gala Brand wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    Fleming did not kill Bond. He ended FRWL with Bond poisoned and unconscious, not dead. We're left not knowing if this poison has killed Bond or not.

    "One of the significant re-writes changed Bond's fate; Fleming had become disenchanted with his books[9] and wrote to his friend, the American author Raymond Chandler: "My muse is in a very bad way ... I am getting fed up with Bond and it has been very difficult to make him go through his tawdry tricks."[10] Fleming re-wrote the end of the novel in April 1956 to make Klebb poison Bond, which allowed him to finish the series with the death of the character if he wanted."

    Right. It's an open ending with a cliffhanger. It gave Fleming a way out and the ending allowed Fleming to say that Bond was dead if he wanted. But the ending also gave Fleming the option to bring Bond back because he never actually killed Bond in the book.

    It was Fleming's intention to kill off Bond in FRWL because a. the books weren't selling that well; b. the critical reception had gotten worse (even Chandler didn't like DAF, the book that preceded FRWL); c. he hadn't been successful in selling the books to the movies; and d. he was tired of writing about Bond.

    Yes, Bond was brought back in DN because FRWL was a bestseller and because Bond is a fictional character. You can do anything to him and he won't die because he's not real.

    You can blow up Craig's Bond in a massive explosion and then have James Bond return as a 6'2" 180 pound, black-haired, blue-eyed guy with a cleft chin and have Q wonder at the marvelous job the plastic surgeons did.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    But you do realize that actually killing Bond in B25 will, if not prove, then at least give much credence to the sacriligious Code Name theory?

    Having Bond come back in Bond 26 looking like Tom Hiddleston would do the same.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    Not at all. All Bond actors have played the same character who hasn't died. If Bond dies it will support the Codename Theory.
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