Garbage's TWINE: a classic?

heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
I've always loved Garbage's The World Is Not Enough, IMO I would place it within the top ten title songs easily - I'd also rate it the best Bond title song since A View To A Kill.

It has it all. It's sultry, sexy and rocky. It has the perfect Arnold balance of orchestra, guitar and electronic. Manson's voice is stunning and above all, the lyrics make sense in the context of the film. Clearly it helped that Don Black was involved, but Arnold's overall talent shines in this and throughout the soundtrack - which features some of the most beautiful orchestral arrangements out of all films.

What does everyone else think?
1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

"Better make that two."

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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    It's a good song, it's a good Bond song but there are many better and quite a few worse so I'd put it in the upper middle rank.
    I love Arnold's work on the slower softer parts of the score ("Elektra's Theme" in its different guises) though only some of the action cues appeal to me.
  • MarcAngeDracoMarcAngeDraco Piz GloriaPosts: 564MI6 Agent
    Definitely a classic Bond song in my eyes (or ears). I've tried to compile a best Bond song list over the years, but I realise there are so many great themes, with only a handful of mediocre or simply 'good' tracks, that I can never order them. We've been pretty lucky over the years.

    Arnold's score is amongst my favourites too.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I love a good Bond ballad, and TWINE fits the bill for me. -{
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  • MarcAngeDracoMarcAngeDraco Piz GloriaPosts: 564MI6 Agent
    I also love Only Myself to Blame, and despite the great Bond theme at the end of TWINE, part of me wishes OMTB played over the credits. :007)
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  • CoolHandBondCoolHandBond Mactan IslandPosts: 6,030MI6 Agent
    The name Garbage sums up this title song very aptly :D
    Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    I think it's easily the best main theme (and the only one I really care for) since John Barry left, but that doesn't make it a classic.
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  • Golrush007Golrush007 South AfricaPosts: 3,418Quartermasters
    I think one of the best modern Bond themes, it is probably my favourite Arnold theme because it has a good mix of old and modern style but isn't as pastiche-60s styled as Surrender. Shirley Manson's vocal performance matches the song really well. Overall, I'd rank it mid-table in the Bond themes, so not quite a classic, but a strong entry.
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    It's definitely one of my favourites, it beautifully derives from the great Bond song tradition and carries it into the new century. Very near the top for me, if not at the top, along with Sheryl Crow.
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    I likey
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  • MarcAngeDracoMarcAngeDraco Piz GloriaPosts: 564MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    It's definitely one of my favourites, it beautifully derives from the great Bond song tradition and carries it into the new century. Very near the top for me, if not at the top, along with Sheryl Crow.

    Good to see a little love for Crowe's Tomorrow Never Dies too. Very sultry and jazzy, and I've always felt the lyrics are from Paris' perspective, which adds another layer to its context.

    In fact, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, Surrender and The World Is Not Enough are just as good as A View to a Kill, Live and Let Die, You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger and Thunderball.
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Good to see a little love for Crowe's Tomorrow Never Dies too. Very sultry and jazzy, and I've always felt the lyrics are from Paris' perspective, which adds another layer to its context.

    I love the opening of the song, the way it starts is excellent - but there's really something wrong with the way Crowe starts the chorus. It's almost as if she's struggling to sing that type of song.

    It's a shame, because everything else is so right about the song.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • CoolHandBondCoolHandBond Mactan IslandPosts: 6,030MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    It's definitely one of my favourites, it beautifully derives from the great Bond song tradition and carries it into the new century. Very near the top for me, if not at the top, along with Sheryl Crow.

    Good to see a little love for Crowe's Tomorrow Never Dies too. Very sultry and jazzy, and I've always felt the lyrics are from Paris' perspective, which adds another layer to its context.

    In fact, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, Surrender and The World Is Not Enough are just as good as A View to a Kill, Live and Let Die, You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger and Thunderball.

    You cannot really be serious to compare that dross to all time Bond classics? Please tell me you are joking - is it April 1st?
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  • SilentSpySilentSpy Private Exotic AreaPosts: 765MI6 Agent
    Love it. It's probably in my top 5 Bond songs if I had to make a list.
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  • MarcAngeDracoMarcAngeDraco Piz GloriaPosts: 564MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    It's definitely one of my favourites, it beautifully derives from the great Bond song tradition and carries it into the new century. Very near the top for me, if not at the top, along with Sheryl Crow.

    Good to see a little love for Crowe's Tomorrow Never Dies too. Very sultry and jazzy, and I've always felt the lyrics are from Paris' perspective, which adds another layer to its context.

    In fact, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, Surrender and The World Is Not Enough are just as good as A View to a Kill, Live and Let Die, You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger and Thunderball.

    You cannot really be serious to compare that dross to all time Bond classics? Please tell me you are joking - is it April 1st?

    Deadly serious.
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  • stagstag Posts: 2,083MI6 Agent
    Deadly serious.

    There's a chapter title for a Bond novel if anyone is looking for ideas!
  • lotuslotus englandPosts: 292MI6 Agent
    Bottom of the lot for me
  • perdoggperdogg Posts: 432MI6 Agent
    I've always loved Garbage's The World Is Not Enough, IMO I would place it within the top ten title songs easily - I'd also rate it the best Bond title song since A View To A Kill.

    It has it all. It's sultry, sexy and rocky. It has the perfect Arnold balance of orchestra, guitar and electronic. Manson's voice is stunning and above all, the lyrics make sense in the context of the film. Clearly it helped that Don Black was involved, but Arnold's overall talent shines in this and throughout the soundtrack - which features some of the most beautiful orchestral arrangements out of all films.

    What does everyone else think?

    I thought it would have been better had it remained Orchestral instead a crossover for MTV.
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  • OddjoblofeldraxorinOddjoblofeldraxorin CaliforniaPosts: 195MI6 Agent
    TWINE is far from my favorite Bond film, but I still love the song. -{
  • BIG TAMBIG TAM Wrexham, North Wales, UK.Posts: 773MI6 Agent
    I've always liked the song. There's a subtle difference in some of the arrangement over the titles to that of the soundtrack album which I think is better. Perhaps if the song were credited to Shirley Manson rather than her band, Garbage people would take it more seriously.
  • welshguy34welshguy34 Posts: 219MI6 Agent
    It's a good song. The best of Brosnan's films. Not sure it's a classic but I like it.
  • lotuslotus englandPosts: 292MI6 Agent
    The world is not enough title song is no way a classic bond song no where near!
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    It's not my favourite. But it is absolutely under-appreciated. Love also how David Arnold uses the tune within the film's score.
    I love how it begins while Brosnan hurts his shoulder in the opening.
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  • ml94ml94 FinlandPosts: 79MI6 Agent
    I think it is. -{
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  • JET007JET007 Austin, TXPosts: 184MI6 Agent
    I'd definitely put it in the top 10 for me. Had the pleasure of hearing them play it live back in August and it gave me chills. So seductive and powerful hearing it live.
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  • kopy50kopy50 Posts: 2MI6 Agent
    there's a good track from the TWINE OST called "Welcome To Baku" , very mesmerising
  • jamesm123jamesm123 LondonPosts: 182MI6 Agent
    I think in hindsight we were lucky to have TND and TWINE both including great songs. Both incorporated the 90's sound, Garbage with the electro rythym backing and Sheryl with a stripped down, smokey seedy nightclub feel, but both with vintage twangy reverb guitars. Arnold obviously understood how to blend the classic and modern without descending into pastiche, just listen to Bjorks "Play Dead" from his Young Americans soundtrack, what a great Bond theme that could have been.
    I honestly don't think we've had a theme song as good as either of those two since, although Adele comes close, with Jack White ruining the opportunity to use Alicia Keys talents with his turkey of a song. In fact in TWENTY years we've only had five more films/songs since TWINE. I always thought Portishead could have nailed a Bond theme btw :)
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    +1 (though there's a mob of angry insulted turkeys outside).
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