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Red_Snow wrote:

Hege 44 jobbet pa bond settet i nordmarka det var rundt 300 personer der hver dag
https://www.varingen.no/nyheter/james-b … 5-92-93940

"Hege (44) worked on the Bond set in Nordmarka forrest. About 300 people were there every day"

That's the headline, the rest is behind a paywall. So far "paywall" is the word I've learnt so far during the production of Bond25 so far.  ajb007/lol

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The Instagram page of the Norwegian stunt company (I didn't know we had any  ajb007/lol ) that worked (works?) on Bond25. There's a photo of them standing on the ice and it's marked @freedivingnorway

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt81M7OAhBJ/

The stuntwoman Charlotte Williams has also worked in Norway and there are some pictures on her on Instagram. She's 4'10'' so she's most likely standing in for the girl. https://www.instagram.com/chazatronic/

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I'm surprised that a big spoiler warning didn't come with this report.
https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/article … t?id=04471

Then again, the PTS is heavily featured in the trailers these days so we'll know for sure by August. Makes we wonder if the Norway sequence is a dream/nightmare for Madeleine (she wakes up as her younger self drowns under the lake) and is there to explain to an audience why someone would want to chase her through Matera to kill her. One could imagine the final shot of the PTS is a recreation of Tracy's death in OHMSS, a single bullet hole through the windscreen.

BTW the most recent Sassilive story on Bond25 (6 April) refers to a place called Marina di Pisticci. 
http://www.sassilive.it/cultura-e-spett … del-mondo/

If you look on Google maps, Marina di Pisticci, is a beach.
https://goo.gl/maps/AXgffkhx3z52

Doubling down on the OHMSS imagery? A crashed car, with a dead Madeleine, on a beach?

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I think Someone is on to something ajb007/smile  here. I also think that the Norway sequence on the ice may be a flashback dream / nightmare for Madeleine. I wonder if that dream sequence foreshadows her death in a car chase in the PTS. Considering who Madeleine's father was and who her present boyfriend is, there would be no shortage of people wanting to do Madeleine or both in. I'm not sure if this is accurate or not, but wasn't it thought at some point that OHMSS would just end with Bond getting married and the next film would begin with Tracey being murdered? This would fit in the tradition in Bond films of story ideas from one film that aren't used surfacing years later in other films. I also wonder if they will use the time trick ala Goldeneye, where there is a screen caption after the title sequence as the rest of the film proceeds "5 years later" and Bond gets on with a another mission that may have nothing to do with the PTS?

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HowardB wrote:

I think Someone is on to something here. I also think that the Norway sequence on the ice may be a flashback dream / nightmare for Madeleine. I wonder if that dream sequence foreshadows her death in a car chase in the PTS. Considering who Madeleine's father was and who her present boyfriend is, there would be no shortage of people wanting to do Madeleine or both in. I'm not sure if this is accurate or not, but wasn't it thought at some point that OHMSS would just end with Bond getting married and the next film would begin with Tracey being murdered? This would fit in the tradition in Bond films of story ideas from one film that aren't used surfacing years later in other films.

The problem for Bond 25 is that this is, essentially, the same way the "Bourne Supremacy" begins. Bond fans might immediately think of OHMSS and not mind the new film "borrowing" from the Fleming canon. But there are a lot of casual moviegoers who would view this sequence as a rip-off of the Bourne franchise. I have a hard time imagining EON would want to go this route.

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The problem for Bond 25 is that this is, essentially, the same way the "Bourne Supremacy" begins. Bond fans might immediately think of OHMSS and not mind the new film "borrowing" from the Fleming canon. But there are a lot of casual moviegoers who would view this sequence as a rip-off of the Bourne franchise. I have a hard time imagining EON would want to go this route.

...and that's why it's good I don't write the scripts for Bond films ajb007/smile . That being said, would "casual movie goers" even equate that with the Bourne films ?  I would doubt a bunch of Bourne fans on their site were bummed that The Bourne Supremacy borrowed from Bond. I guess we are just prisoners of our own high standards. ajb007/martini

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HowardB wrote:

The problem for Bond 25 is that this is, essentially, the same way the "Bourne Supremacy" begins. Bond fans might immediately think of OHMSS and not mind the new film "borrowing" from the Fleming canon. But there are a lot of casual moviegoers who would view this sequence as a rip-off of the Bourne franchise. I have a hard time imagining EON would want to go this route.

...and that's why it's good I don't write the scripts for Bond films ajb007/smile . That being said, would "casual movie goers" even equate that with the Bourne films ?  I would doubt a bunch of Bourne fans on their site were bummed that The Bourne Supremacy borrowed from Bond. I guess we are just prisoners of our own high standards. ajb007/martini

Also having her die at the start of Bond 25 may be similar to the start of Bourne Supremacy but the difference will be in the execution. We'll be seeing Bond on a mission of revenge, and all that it entails, rather than Bourne.

Bourne S. is also an old movie now. Older than CR. Casual movie goers won't care about these surface level similarities.

To say some of you are overthinking things is an understatement. Relax about it and see what happens.

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More Bond25 info leaking out from Italy after the visit by Cary Fukunaga, and gives a few more details following the sassilive.it 6 April report
https://corrieredelmezzogiorno.corriere … 52a9.shtml

Fukunaga is expected to film at the Riva dei Ginepri Beach Club on Marina di Pisticci beach, Dimora Ulmo restaurant, Hotel Sexantio in the Piazza del Duomo and the Palazzo Gattini Luxury hotel in August and September.

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Someone wrote:

If you look on Google maps, Marina di Pisticci, is a beach.
https://goo.gl/maps/AXgffkhx3z52

I'd love to be on a "jamaican beach" !!   ajb007/biggrin  ajb007/biggrin  ajb007/martini  ajb007/martini

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Wrote down some thoughts on the today's announcement but it contains spoilers that have been discussed in this room so will post here: https://letmekentertainyou.wordpress.co … k-thereof/

"You are about to wake when you dream that you are dreaming"

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Bond25's launch reveal follows Spectre example of announcing all the cast. Skyfall saw only five introduced at the launch event, and Bond25 beats that with six, including Rami Malek by videolink.       

The Bond25 cast is quite large compared to DC's previous flims. They named 13 people. Spectre had 10 main characters, Bond, all 4 of the Scooby gang, C, Oberhauser, Hinx, Madeleine and Lucia Sciarra. Of the remaining cast, only Mr White had any significant role, but only one scene. Skyfall is similar with 10 key cast members, and Helen McCrory had some lines, making 11. Quantum could be argued to have a larger cast than Bond25 at 14. This does include Fernando Guillén Cuervo as the Colonel of Police who is only in one scene but is key because he betrayed Mathis. Casino Royale has 12 main cast members, including Le Chiffre's girlfriend Valenka, but Casino is almost two separate stories. The first half is Dimitrios and the Skyfleet plane bombing and the second half is the poker game. 

Of all of the Bond25 roles we have previously heard about, we now know who is likely to be the young female MI6 agent, Lashasha Lynch; the mysterious woman, Ana de Armas, and Bond's 'accomplice,' Felix Leiter. There is no Maori henchman. There are also no Russians or Finnish people. I think the Russians were part of Boyle's cold war idea, and probably the Maori henchman too, so they went wth Boyle.

I think in comparing the Bond25 cast list with the other DC films it becomes clear that David Dencik, Ana de Armas, Billy Magnussen, Dali Benssalah, may only be in one or two scenes.

Bond25
Daniel Craig    ...    James Bond
Léa Seydoux    ...    Madeleine Swann
Naomie Harris    ...    Eve Moneypenny
Ben Whishaw    ...    Q
Ralph Fiennes    ...    M
Rory Kinnear    ...    Tanner
Jeffrey Wright    ...    Felix Leiter
Lashana Lynch    ...     New 007   
Billy Magnussen    ...     CIA agent   
Rami Malek    ...    Villain
Dali Benssalah    ...    Henchman
Ana de Armas    ...    Mysterious woman
David Dencik    ...    scientist/younger Mr White?   

For comparison, these are 13 cast members for each of DC's previous films.

Spectre
Daniel Craig    ...    James Bond
Christoph Waltz    ...    Blofeld
Léa Seydoux    ...    Madeleine
Ralph Fiennes    ...    M
Monica Bellucci    ...    Lucia
Ben Whishaw    ...    Q
Naomie Harris    ...    Moneypenny
Dave Bautista    ...    Hinx
Andrew Scott    ...    C
Rory Kinnear    ...    Tanner
Jesper Christensen...    Mr. White
Alessandro Cremona...    Marco Sciarra
Stephanie Sigman...    Estrella

Skyfall
Daniel Craig    ...    James Bond
Judi Dench    ...    M
Javier Bardem    ...    Silva
Ralph Fiennes    ...    Gareth Mallory
Naomie Harris    ...    Eve
Bérénice Marlohe...    Severine
Albert Finney    ...    Kincade
Ben Whishaw    ...    Q
Rory Kinnear    ...    Tanner
Ola Rapace    ...    Patrice
Helen McCrory    ...    Clair Dowar MP
Bill Buckhurst    ...    Ronson
Tonia Sotiropoulou...    Bond's Lover

Quantum
Daniel Craig    ...    James Bond
Olga Kurylenko    ...    Camille
Mathieu Amalric    ...    Dominic Greene
Judi Dench    ...    M
Giancarlo Giannini...    Rene Mathis
Gemma Arterton    ...    Strawberry Fields
Jeffrey Wright    ...    Felix Leiter
David Harbour    ...    Gregg Beam
Jesper Christensen...    Mr. White
Anatole Taubman    ...    Elvis
Rory Kinnear    ...    Bill Tanner
Tim Pigott-Smith...    Foreign Secretary
Joaquín Cosio    ...    General Medrano

Casino
Daniel Craig    ...    James Bond
Eva Green    ...    Vesper Lynd
Mads Mikkelsen    ...    Le Chiffre
Judi Dench    ...    M
Jeffrey Wright    ...    Felix Leiter
Giancarlo Giannini...    Rene Mathis
Caterina Murino    ...    Solange
Simon Abkarian    ...    Alex Dimitrios
Isaach De Bankolé...    Steven Obanno
Jesper Christensen...    Mr. White
Ivana Milicevic    ...    Valenka
Tobias Menzies    ...    Villiers
Malcolm Sinclair...    Dryden

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Someone wrote:

Ana de Armas...may only be in one or two scenes.

A talented actress like Ana needs to be in every scene ajb007/lol ajb007/heart ajb007/embarrassed

Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.

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I don't think that we are aware of all the story locations and maybe not all the filming locations. Norway, Italy, and Jamaica don't seem like enough locations, especially when Norway is expected to be for the PTS. I'm not including London in this speculation as it is always a location.

Matera, Italy could be for an Italian location and an African location. Some here speculated that Cadiz was going to double for Tunisia, but Cadiz doesn't seem to be a filming location now.

I think reports that Matera and Norway are both locations for the PTS can't be true. Norway could be doubling for somewhere else, Austria maybe. Now we know Bond is retired in Jamaica, it would seem there won't be an Italian wedding in Bond25.

Looking back at DC's other films, some locations have been doubled by the UK. Casino had eight story locations, but Pakistan (for the toilet kill), Miami airport and Uganda (I think) were all UK filming locations. Prague was used for the PTS diplomatic building's exterior, a scene with M allegedly in London and the Miami Body Worlds exhibition (http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/c … e-2006.php). While the Bahamas doubled for Madagascar, of course principal filming also took place in Montenegro and Venice.

Quantum had five story locations, Italy, Austria, Bolivia, Haiti, which was actually Panama (http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/q … Solace.php), and I would say that Russia was UK backlot filming. The exploding hotel at the end, which is supposed to be Bolivia, is based in Chile.

Skyfall had six story locations, Turkey, Bond's beach hideaway, Shanghai, Macao, mystery island, Scotland, but Shanghai was 2nd unit and Macao and the mystery island were UK backlot filming. Bond's beach hideaway was elsewhere in Turkey. So, really, for principal photography/cast, they only had two filming locations, Turkey, and the UK.

Spectre had four story locations, Mexico, Italy, Austria (Altaussee & Hoffler clinic), and Morocco (Tangier)/North Africa, and actually they did film in all those places.

Maybe Bond25 will only be Norway, Italy, London and Jamaica, but that doesn't seem enough for a story that begins in Jamaica, involves the CIA and a hunt for a kidnapped scientist and leading actors with North African ethnicity. Could there be 'locations' which are 2nd unit exterior shooting and principal cast interior shooting at Pinewood? Could there be the scenes/locations that are the filming equivalent of Quantum's Chile and Panama for Bond25?

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I thought it was very clever when they used Rome to double for Tangier though.

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Didn't Babs or Michael say yesterday a substantial amount of the film will take place in Jamaica (I guess ruling it out as just for the PTS)

Though of course they could just be exaggerating and pleasing everybody since they were actually there!!

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welshboy78 wrote:

Didn't Babs or Michael say yesterday a substantial amount of the film will take place in Jamaica (I guess ruling it out as just for the PTS)

Though of course they could just be exaggerating and pleasing everybody since they were actually there!!

It'll be interesting to see how they do a PTS with Bond already retired; you'd imagine Felix would come calling after the credits when the story proper begins. What action will Bond see before then?

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welshboy78 wrote:

Didn't Babs or Michael say yesterday a substantial amount of the film will take place in Jamaica (I guess ruling it out as just for the PTS)

Though of course they could just be exaggerating and pleasing everybody since they were actually there!!

Good point. Maybe Felix comes knocking because he is on a mission in Jamaica (or a nearby island called Crab Key!).

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If the scene shot in Norway really is Madeleine, I think the contrast between Jamaica and the icy landscape in the flashback will be interesting. Perhaps Madeleine is swimming in the tropical waters of Jamaica triggers the childhood memory? It seems like the scene shot in Norway has at least as much action as the CR PTS. The flashback ends with her as a girl swimming back towards the hole in the ice. We cut back to the adult Madeleine breaking the surface back in Jamaica, out of breath from the disturbing memory. She wades back on land where Felix' car is arriving. They say hallo and Felix tells Bond: "James, we need you again …"
Cue the title sequence.


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Miles Messervy wrote:
welshboy78 wrote:

Didn't Babs or Michael say yesterday a substantial amount of the film will take place in Jamaica (I guess ruling it out as just for the PTS)

Though of course they could just be exaggerating and pleasing everybody since they were actually there!!

Good point. Maybe Felix comes knocking because he is on a mission in Jamaica (or a nearby island called Crab Key!).

This Swedish article says Dencik is playing a villain and he will be filming in Jamaica soon.
https://t.co/75uUDo6At3

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Number24 wrote:

If the scene shot in Norway really is Madeleine, I think the contrast between Jamaica and the icy landscape in the flashback will be interesting. Perhaps Madeline is swimming in the tropical waters of Jamaica triggers the childhood memory? It seems like the scene shot in Norway has at least as much action as the CR PTS. The flashback ends with her as a girl swiming back towards the hole in the ice. We cut back to the adult Madeleine breaking the surface back in Jamaica, out of breath from the disturbing memory. She wades back on land where Felix' car is arriving. They say hallo and Felic tells Bond: "James, we need you again …"
Cue the title sequence.

Maybe Leiter goes there for Madeleine? Her history with Spectre might be what Leiter needs. Maybe the first half of the film is bringing Madeleine's story to an end and killing her off. The PTS might set up that link to justify Leiter going to see Madeleine in Jamaica.

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Someone wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:
welshboy78 wrote:

Didn't Babs or Michael say yesterday a substantial amount of the film will take place in Jamaica (I guess ruling it out as just for the PTS)

Though of course they could just be exaggerating and pleasing everybody since they were actually there!!

Good point. Maybe Felix comes knocking because he is on a mission in Jamaica (or a nearby island called Crab Key!).

This Swedish article says Dencik is playing a villain and he will be filming in Jamaica soon.
https://t.co/75uUDo6At3

Some have assumed there will be no Russian character in the film based upon the cast, but Dencik is capable of playing pretty much any nationality and the accent to go along. In McMafia he actually played a Russian gangster.

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I think the article was published by a regional newspaper yesterday.

The character's name is Waldo. He's a very important character, according to Barbara Broccoli. Dencik will fly to Jamaica next week to prepare for the shoot. He'll work on the movie for ten weeks. "I don't quite know what I'm going to do, but i think there will be some action scenes. They don't tell me much. It's like working for MI6 for real, everything is secret", says Dencik.

He has screentested for Bond movies before without succeding. This time he was asked to be in the film.
"It's an honour to be in it", says Danick.

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The Bond25 cast reveal would appear to suggest that the film's plot is going to use material from the early Spectre drafts, leaked in the Sony email hack, and posted on here by the user Marketto007. Using this Sony hack information, the Bond25 synopsis and other Bond25 facts we know of, I think I can piece together how Bond25 may unfold.

The Bond25 synopsis is:
Bond has left active service and is enjoying a tranquil life in Jamaica.
His peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help.
The mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology.

We know that the Bond25 PTS, because of a photographed clapperboard, was filmed in Norway. That filming shows a young girl, which the casting for called for a Madeleine look-a-like, running from a masked gunmen, using a weapon used by Spectre. There is a Scandinavian villa and a young girl in an early version of Spectre’s script according to the leaked Sony emails. We now know that Rami Malek has done some Norway filming, so we know his character has a link to Madeleine.

The synopsis tells us Leiter 'turns up asking for help,' but help from Bond or Madeleine? I think it is Madeleine. The Sony hack emails also said that the CIA was working with Blofeld. But, now Blofeld is captured by the British, is that formally working with Blofeld or has Spectre infiltrated CIA, or both? I think Leiter goes to see Madeleine for help, maybe because the CIA think that she knows something that can help an ongoing investigation, probably into Malek and his dangerous new technology. 

As Bond will go on this mission, one can only assume Madeleine goes with him. In Casino, Bond worked with Vesper and Mathis at the same time, so I am not discouraged by the fact that there would be three of them. Phoebe Waller-Bridge dialogue here might be good for Leiter teasing Bond about being in a long term relationship.

In the early Spectre drafts there is a CIA agent called Charlotte who Bond worked with and who turns out to be a villain. I'm not expecting Leiter to be a villain. In the Sony emails, Bond and Charlotte pretend to be man and wife. Could Bond be accompanied by Madeleine, using their wedding in Italy as cover, with Leiter as best man? Instead of a Charlotte, maybe it is a Charlie, as we know Bond25 has Billy Magnussen as a CIA agent and he may betray Bond, Madeleine and Leiter, as the synopsis tells us that the mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected. Ana de Armas might be the Spectre link between Magnussen and Malek.

I think the kidnapped scientist is Q as the early Spectre drafts have Q taken hostage. This would be where Bond, Leiter and Madeleine cross paths with the rumoured new 007, possibly played by Lashana Lynch, and maybe Moneypenny, who might be back out in the field; as the Sony emails also revealed that Leiter meets Moneypenny. The early Spectre drafts also had Moneypenny injured which could be an outcome of this rescue mission that goes wrong.

The rescue mission that gets Moneypenny injured maybe in an African diamond mine. We know that Rami Malek is the villain and we also know that Algerian/French actor Dali Bensallah will be involved, giving the cast a North African feel. In those early Spectre drafts, a diamond mine in Africa was part of the plot. An early Spectre draft also had Bond and Q escape a mine collapse.

The fall out from the rescue mission could be a plot angle described in the Sony emails that “allies," the CIA and MI6, "are being picked apart creating paranoia and suspicion". In the hacked emails, the Sony execs also asked, “Is it just about avenging the deaths of people from prior movies who were close to him?” If Madeleine is killed at some point during Bond25 then the same question could be asked of Bond25. Maybe the death of Madeleine during the diamond mine Q rescue attempt is the blood sacrifice for saving Q?

At this point, I think I have covered all the likely connections between the Sony hacks, the synopsis and other facts we know. I am speculating then without any evidence that the film's third act is Bond, Leiter and the new 007, taking Q back to the UK so they can tell the UK govt about Magnussen's treachery on behalf of the imprisoned Blofeld and that they have learnt that Malek is going to try and release Blofeld with his dangerous new technology; and Bond wants revenge for Madeleine.

Fukunaga said at the Live Reveal they would be filming in London and I wonder if that will be my Blofeld jailbreak theory, and Lynch-007 is killed in the jailbreak finale, while maybe Blofeld has an ambiguous escape a la Diamonds are Forever; but right at the end of the movie, Bond returns to MI6 and is reinstated as 007.

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Someone wrote:

Fukunaga said at the Live Reveal they would be filming in London and I wonder if that will be my Blofeld jailbreak theory, and Lynch-007 is killed in the jailbreak finale, while maybe Blofeld has an ambiguous escape a la Diamonds are Forever; but right at the end of the movie, Bond returns to MI6 and is reinstated as 007.

How about this, instead of Lynch-007 killed in the finale, Craig-Bond is killed in the finale. When Bond 26 comes out Lynch will continue in the role of 007. Has her name in Bond 25 been revealed yet?

Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope

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Mr Martini wrote:
Someone wrote:

Fukunaga said at the Live Reveal they would be filming in London and I wonder if that will be my Blofeld jailbreak theory, and Lynch-007 is killed in the jailbreak finale, while maybe Blofeld has an ambiguous escape a la Diamonds are Forever; but right at the end of the movie, Bond returns to MI6 and is reinstated as 007.

How about this, instead of Lynch-007 killed in the finale, Craig-Bond is killed in the finale. When Bond 26 comes out Lynch will continue in the role of 007. Has her name in Bond 25 been revealed yet?

No woman will ever fully play 007.

The name is Walker by the way.