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  • BraxoBraxo Posts: 45MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    Braxo wrote:
    I think the snooze boxes are just lodging for the crew.

    LOL good one. Yes of course the snooze boxes are for the film crew. I was referring to the huge castle...

    As they had that defecting general in TLD in a stately home, why not Blofeld in a Scottish castle?

    It seems odd to have a Spectre biological genetic weapon factory in Scotland, IMHO.

    lol, sorry. I wasn't understanding what you and others were referencing when it came to prisons.

    Today it would be odd for a Spectre factory in Scotland but perhaps they're stealing a little bit of Fleming's Moonraker plot - Drax's nuclear missile factory in Scotland.
  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    It's idle speculation, but it's also possible that they're borrowing elements from Licence Renewed, such as Anton Murik's castle in Scotland.

    Any danger that our intrepid Scottish correspondent could pop up the A9 and take a peek? :D
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    They rebuilt Bond's DB5, perhaps they rebuilt Skyfall lodge for him as well ? ;)
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  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,537MI6 Agent
    The clapperboards have been consistently going up in number, despite many scenes in films being shot out of sequence. The last Bond25 clapperboard, Hammersmith bridge, was scene 155. Will we get a Scottish clapperboard and will it be a higher number?

    Taking some of the previous Bond25 clapperboard numbers and averaging the time stamps for their respective scenes in Casino and Spectre produces an average scene duration of 42 seconds. A crude average, admittedly. At 42 seconds per scene, 200 scenes is a 2 hour 20 minute film.

    It puts Bond25's scene 143 at 100 minutes and its scene 155 at 108 minutes, pretty much where those scenes are in Spectre and Casino, the latter half of act two (Act two typically starts in a film at about 30 minutes and ends at about 120 minutes).

    Spectre ends at 2h 21 mins 14 secs. Spectre's Westminster bridge scene ends 2h 19mins 35secs, giving the film a 2 mins 29 second epilogue, enough for 3.5 42 second scenes.

    Skyfall's Skyfall scenes end at 2 hours 14 mins 49 secs. The film ends at 2hrs 17 mins 47 seconds. Giving an epilogue time of 2 mins 58 seconds, enough for 4 scenes.

    So, Bond25's third act should be from scene 171 (2 hours) to scene 200. But, if Bond25 has a 2 minute 43 second epilogue, the villain should be defeated by scene 197.

    As such, if the Scottish castle is the focus of the third act, the next clapperboard scene number should be in the 180s, IMHO
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,324MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    martini wrote:
    You think, Cg23?

    I absolutely believe that EoN could destroy the franchise by attempting to be PC in the snowflake era.

    :))

    Isn't the 'snowflake' insult all based around the idea of delicate little people who overreact and shatter into pieces over something that's utterly inoffensive and small? ;)

    Ding ding ding
  • Cg23Cg23 Posts: 242MI6 Agent
    martini wrote:
    You think, Cg23?

    I absolutely believe that EoN could destroy the franchise by attempting to be PC in the snowflake era.

    Bond 25: Snowflake.
    Well Im no expert on Bond/Eon, and I know that EON is far from perfect, but EON can also be an easy target. I think the passion and love people have for Bond combined with todays hype makes it nearly impossible for any Bond film to meet expectations. Nothing wrong with hoping for a great film bc they absolutely should be able to but I see this “new Bond leak” as nothing more than playing to a fanbase that is already chomping at the bit for something while realizing todays pc culture will eat it up. Media is desperate for stuff like that. So the second anything was said, they definitely new it was gonna blow up everywhere. Good/Bad its all the same to them, press. If anything its probly a good thing this info was released now bc to me that means its not gonna actually happen. If they wanted shock and drop an actual bombshell then they woulda kept it a secret. I personally cant stand the pc stuff but they are clearly playing to “the times” for marketing reasons which I dont like but can see what they are doing.
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,698MI6 Agent
    Predator wrote:
    Mr Martini wrote:
    So, if Lashana Lynch is 007, will she be in the gun barrel at the beginning of the film?

    Are we talking about a pre-PTS gun barrel or one at the end?

    All I can say is that this is still a rumour from an unnamed source. If it is true though, I'm interested.

    A Pre-PTS gun barrel.
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    Braxo wrote:
    Someone wrote:
    Braxo wrote:
    I think the snooze boxes are just lodging for the crew.

    LOL good one. Yes of course the snooze boxes are for the film crew. I was referring to the huge castle...

    As they had that defecting general in TLD in a stately home, why not Blofeld in a Scottish castle?

    It seems odd to have a Spectre biological genetic weapon factory in Scotland, IMHO.

    lol, sorry. I wasn't understanding what you and others were referencing when it came to prisons.

    Today it would be odd for a Spectre factory in Scotland but perhaps they're stealing a little bit of Fleming's Moonraker plot - Drax's nuclear missile factory in Scotland.

    Drax's base is in Kent, not Scotland, surely?

    Bearing in mind that they used Surrey to double as Scotland for Skyfall, I'm not convinced they'd go all the way to Scotland to have it double for another country- you may as well go to that country. I would guess it will be Scotland playing Scotland, and my idea of it being the prison where MI6 are holding Blofeld (maybe surrounded by a deadly garden!) is as good as any. Certainly that would make sense of having a UK location like this as it would be a British Government facility.
  • ShatterfangShatterfang Posts: 538MI6 Agent
    edited July 2019
    Cg23 wrote:
    martini wrote:
    You think, Cg23?

    I absolutely believe that EoN could destroy the franchise by attempting to be PC in the snowflake era.

    Bond 25: Snowflake.
    Well Im no expert on Bond/Eon, and I know that EON is far from perfect, but EON can also be an easy target. I think the passion and love people have for Bond combined with todays hype makes it nearly impossible for any Bond film to meet expectations. Nothing wrong with hoping for a great film bc they absolutely should be able to but I see this “new Bond leak” as nothing more than playing to a fanbase that is already chomping at the bit for something while realizing todays pc culture will eat it up. Media is desperate for stuff like that. So the second anything was said, they definitely new it was gonna blow up everywhere. Good/Bad its all the same to them, press. If anything its probably a good thing this info was released now bc to me that means its not gonna actually happen. If they wanted shock and drop an actual bombshell then they woulda kept it a secret. I personally cant stand the pc stuff but they are clearly playing to “the times” for marketing reasons which I dont like but can see what they are doing.

    With only two films made in the last decade, the franchise is on its last limbs regardless of Me Too. Regardless of Me Too it has been a pre-production shitshow. Me Too would just be the final nail in the coffin.

    It will be interesting to see if Bond really is woke or if it's all [the intimacy coordinator, Fleabag, cucking Bond, outlawing 'Bond Girl'] a brilliant 4-D marketing strategy that doesn't even play into the film. Fleabag is the lowest common denominator of comedy and writing, and even she said the film should respect women even if Bond doesn't - whatever the hell that means, and Broccoli is pretty adamant she is not doing what the articles are alleging they are doing. It's just a trail of breadcrumbs that lead you in a circle to drive you nuts.

    I think Lashana Lynch is the least attractive Bond girl ever from what I've seen. And she has the least amount of star power between Lea and Ana in what she's been in. I can't even find any clips of her acting and she was in captain marvel. I wanted to see if she has any chemistry with people if shes going to be Bond's sidekick. It's all just interviews of her. It is enough of a financial risk to make her the main bond girl much less 007 in any capacity - I'm pretty sure that is still in the rumor bin.

    The fans will express themselves on the trailer, and if it is going the way the articles say, they will give me hope for humanity with a dislike bar greater than the Batwoman or Ghostbusters trailer. This is Bond, so cucking his is kind of a bigger deal.

    Bond 25 has a lot riding on it regardless of Me Too. With Spectre, they shot themselves in the ass in a mind-numbingly dumb way, so i wouldn't put anything past them.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    Fleabag is the lowest common denominator of comedy and writing

    Hmm. Have you seen much of it? I think it's pretty stunning stuff. I know this is off-topic but I'm not sure how you could find it lowest common denominator. It's not exactly Adam Sandler: it was affecting and at times utterly sublime. The S2 opener in particular I found to be a bit of a masterpiece of writing.
  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,446MI6 Agent
    I know that the idea of EON simultaneously making Bond 25 AND Bond 26 has been debunked here. God knows it’s hard enough to make one movie. But the locations and the casting seem to keep getting bigger and bigger. And every new reveal seems to get us farther away from the story of the missing scientist and Rami Malek’s villain. Meanwhile the clapperboards keep piling up.
  • ShatterfangShatterfang Posts: 538MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    Hmm. Have you seen much of it? I think it's pretty stunning stuff. I know this is off-topic but I'm not sure how you could find it lowest common denominator. It's not exactly Adam Sandler: it was affecting and at times utterly sublime. The S2 opener in particular I found to be a bit of a masterpiece of writing.

    I only have access to clips. Are you saying it's not pure comedy, and has moody serious points mixed in? I just don't get it.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    Cheverian wrote:
    I know that the idea of EON simultaneously making Bond 25 AND Bond 26 has been debunked here. God knows it’s hard enough to make one movie. But the locations and the casting seem to keep getting bigger and bigger. And every new reveal seems to get us farther away from the story of the missing scientist and Rami Malek’s villain. Meanwhile the clapperboards keep piling up.

    Hope your right but I guess it will just be long one
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    Hmm. Have you seen much of it? I think it's pretty stunning stuff. I know this is off-topic but I'm not sure how you could find it lowest common denominator. It's not exactly Adam Sandler: it was affecting and at times utterly sublime. The S2 opener in particular I found to be a bit of a masterpiece of writing.

    I only have access to clips. Are you saying it's not pure comedy, and has moody serious points mixed in? I just don't get it.

    It's a drama as well, and is brilliant, yes. As well as being incredibly funny at times.

    But thanks for confirming that you'd write something off based on almost no knowledge or experience at all; just as suspected 8-)
  • Revolver66Revolver66 Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 470MI6 Agent
    Fleabag is a good show. So is Killing Eve. However there is not really one positive or empowering male role in either one. In fact, the majority of the male character's are quite denigrating in their portrayals. Which is fine considering there are countless other shows that are focused solely around men. However, I suspect that this is a large reason why she has been brought on board for Bond. It's not simply because she writes a few zingers and funny lines because many writers can do that. I just hope Bond isn't subjected to the same emasculation.
  • draxhugodraxhugo Posts: 97MI6 Agent
    Depressing, very depressing.
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,757MI6 Agent
    edited July 2019
    If Ms. Lynch is playing a character with the number 007, that means the people behind Bond 25 wanted controversy and debate to surround the film, with the endgame being more bodies in the seats. You don’t give a character that is not named James Bond that number unless you want people to have a reaction. I thought it seemed like a marketing stunt from the first time we speculated about it here, but it doesn’t signal anything to me about Bond being “cucked” or anything else about the quality of the film. I think many are reading way too much into what amounts to a PR stunt. Which, of course, is exactly what EON knew would happen. .
  • Revolver66Revolver66 Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 470MI6 Agent
    edited July 2019
    If Ms. Lynch is playing a character with the number 007, that means the people behind Bond 25 wanted controversy and debate to surround the film, with the end result being more bodies in the seats. You can’t give a character not named James Bond that number and expect people not to notice. I’ve thought it seemed like a marketing stunt from the first time we speculated about it here, but it doesn’t signal anything to me about Bond being “cucked” or anything else. I think many are reading way too much into what amounts to a PR stunt.

    For sure. It is done to promote controversy and make cash. Which is one of the main reasons why I rally against the current franchise trends. Hollywood executives aren't promoting ethnicities and different genders out of a sense of social courage. They are only doing it to make $$$.

    Obviously $$ is the goal of blockbuster films so fair game, Howver I hate how they pretend that they do these things out of pure (non-monetary) motives. It's just a shame to see the Bond franchise join the bandwagon.

    And then of course you get people who defend and promote the latest franchise decision such as Lynch's casting as 007 because it appeals to their social and political leanings and they see it as progress. These people are not enlightened in any way because they are missing the point and have merely been suckered too.
  • ShatterfangShatterfang Posts: 538MI6 Agent
    edited July 2019
    emtiem wrote:
    emtiem wrote:
    Hmm. Have you seen much of it? I think it's pretty stunning stuff. I know this is off-topic but I'm not sure how you could find it lowest common denominator. It's not exactly Adam Sandler: it was affecting and at times utterly sublime. The S2 opener in particular I found to be a bit of a masterpiece of writing.

    I only have access to clips. Are you saying it's not pure comedy, and has moody serious points mixed in? I just don't get it.

    It's a drama as well, and is brilliant, yes. As well as being incredibly funny at times.

    But thanks for confirming that you'd write something off based on almost no knowledge or experience at all; just as suspected 8-)



    Such an entitled outlook as that is I'm sure the appeal of the show. I don't owe Ms. Fleabag a damn thing. :)) It's up to the artist to hook their audience. I gave her a chance and she made me vomit.
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,324MI6 Agent
    Jesus Christ.
  • JG007JG007 Manchester , United KingdomPosts: 276MI6 Agent
    Could this be the location of this scientist lab?....

    Feels that this is the vibe the unfilmed 3rd Dalton film was meant to have.
    This of course could double for another location but i feel that this could be the exterior of "the lab" and the interior is the lab and perhaps some other shots could be other parts of the castle interior and some external shots are done here.

    Speculation of course but just my spin -{
  • ShatterfangShatterfang Posts: 538MI6 Agent
    edited July 2019
    JG007 wrote:
    Could this be the location of this scientist lab?....

    Feels that this is the vibe the unfilmed 3rd Dalton film was meant to have.
    This of course could double for another location but i feel that this could be the exterior of "the lab" and the interior is the lab and perhaps some other shots could be other parts of the castle interior and some external shots are done here.

    Speculation of course but just my spin -{

    You mean the lab inside the castle? That is very Frankenstein like and I think a few bond books do something like that.
  • ShatterfangShatterfang Posts: 538MI6 Agent
    Mr Martini wrote:
    Predator wrote:
    Mr Martini wrote:
    So, if Lashana Lynch is 007, will she be in the gun barrel at the beginning of the film?

    Are we talking about a pre-PTS gun barrel or one at the end?

    All I can say is that this is still a rumour from an unnamed source. If it is true though, I'm interested.

    A Pre-PTS gun barrel.

    Probably not if they want it to be a surprise she is 007.
  • Revolver66Revolver66 Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 470MI6 Agent
    I've got a wacky idea that the film may end with the gun barrel ala QOS and SF except that it's Lashana in the gun barrel instead of Bond :))
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,537MI6 Agent
    JG007 wrote:
    Could this be the location of this scientist lab?....

    Feels that this is the vibe the unfilmed 3rd Dalton film was meant to have.
    This of course could double for another location but i feel that this could be the exterior of "the lab" and the interior is the lab and perhaps some other shots could be other parts of the castle interior and some external shots are done here.

    Speculation of course but just my spin -{

    99.99% of the time in movies interior shots are always filmed in studios, so the castle, whose official name is Ardverikie House, if it is used, is probably only going to be used for exterior shots.

    Here is the official website for the Ardverikie House. There are no images of the inside of the castle.
    https://www.ardverikie.com/estate/

    There is a smaller property on the estate called Gate Lodge. Another part of the Bond family's Skyfall estate?
    https://www.ardverikie.com/holidays/gate-lodge/
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    I don't like writing this, but could the Atlantic Sea Road be pretending to be in Scotland?
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I don't like writing this, but could the Atlantic Sea Road be pretending to be in Scotland?

    Nah no way would they do that.
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  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    Cg23 wrote:
    martini wrote:
    You think, Cg23?

    I absolutely believe that EoN could destroy the franchise by attempting to be PC in the snowflake era.

    Bond 25: Snowflake.
    Well Im no expert on Bond/Eon, and I know that EON is far from perfect, but EON can also be an easy target. I think the passion and love people have for Bond combined with todays hype makes it nearly impossible for any Bond film to meet expectations. Nothing wrong with hoping for a great film bc they absolutely should be able to but I see this “new Bond leak” as nothing more than playing to a fanbase that is already chomping at the bit for something while realizing todays pc culture will eat it up. Media is desperate for stuff like that. So the second anything was said, they definitely new it was gonna blow up everywhere. Good/Bad its all the same to them, press. If anything its probably a good thing this info was released now bc to me that means its not gonna actually happen. If they wanted shock and drop an actual bombshell then they woulda kept it a secret. I personally cant stand the pc stuff but they are clearly playing to “the times” for marketing reasons which I dont like but can see what they are doing.

    With only two films made in the last decade, the franchise is on its last limbs regardless of Me Too. Regardless of Me Too it has been a pre-production shitshow. Me Too would just be the final nail in the coffin.

    It will be interesting to see if Bond really is woke or if it's all [the intimacy coordinator, Fleabag, cucking Bond, outlawing 'Bond Girl'] a brilliant 4-D marketing strategy that doesn't even play into the film. Fleabag is the lowest common denominator of comedy and writing, and even she said the film should respect women even if Bond doesn't - whatever the hell that means, and Broccoli is pretty adamant she is not doing what the articles are alleging they are doing. It's just a trail of breadcrumbs that lead you in a circle to drive you nuts.

    I think Lashana Lynch is the least attractive Bond girl ever from what I've seen. And she has the least amount of star power between Lea and Ana in what she's been in. I can't even find any clips of her acting and she was in captain marvel. I wanted to see if she has any chemistry with people if shes going to be Bond's sidekick. It's all just interviews of her. It is enough of a financial risk to make her the main bond girl much less 007 in any capacity - I'm pretty sure that is still in the rumor bin.

    The fans will express themselves on the trailer, and if it is going the way the articles say, they will give me hope for humanity with a dislike bar greater than the Batwoman or Ghostbusters trailer. This is Bond, so cucking his is kind of a bigger deal.

    Bond 25 has a lot riding on it regardless of Me Too. With Spectre, they shot themselves in the ass in a mind-numbingly dumb way, so i wouldn't put anything past them.

    Bond remembered the good old days when men were men and women knew their place. It was an old fashioned world for old fashioned men. These days Bond couldn't even smoke in public, the highways' cameras monitored his car and would fine him for a moment of wanton speed, and if he opened a door to a woman he was accused of patronising them. And to cap it all - Moneypenny had recently come out as lesbian. Bond felt out of place. The world had moved on but he was still standing still. Perhaps he was that relic from the cold war. Perhaps it was time to retire and let the Me Too generation inherit the world. Bond had served queen and country long enough.

    Bond took out the last of his Morland cigarettes. He lit the end and inhaled. He knew it was bad for his health but he wouldn't want it any other way. ;)
  • martinimartini Posts: 289MI6 Agent
    edited July 2019
    Well, let's see.
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  • KladdaghKladdagh FrancePosts: 117MI6 Agent
    Just ... Wait and we will see the result ... -{
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