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Asp9mm wrote:

To save confusion, Tom Ford actually designed the Aviators for OP.  Remember he was a hired designer for big companies like Gucci before he struck out on his own.

That is definately the tie-in. It is starting to come together. Thanks Asp9mm

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cpoulos62 wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:

To save confusion, Tom Ford actually designed the Aviators for OP.  Remember he was a hired designer for big companies like Gucci before he struck out on his own.

That is definately the tie-in. It is starting to come together. Thanks Asp9mm

But if I were - say - hired by Aston Martin and designed their new model and then left the firm, I wouldn't have any rights to make a copy of that car and give it another name.

So I'm not sure it's quite as simple as that - not with OPs re-releasing THEIR Airmans...

Unless ASP9mm knows more (which wouldn't surprise me);)

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... but you are not Tom Ford!
And there may be a chapter in his contracts, that his intellectual property stays with him and OP has only the right for a limited time/quantity to use his design etc.

Just a speculation....

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Bondtoys wrote:

... but you are not Tom Ford. And there may be a chapter in his contracts, that his intellectual property stays with him.

Just a speculation....

Possibly (though I guess he'd have to have some weight to retain such ownership when he was HIRED by OP). 

And so I suspect HE - Ford - will be suing OP for reproducing THEIR shades in which he had intellectual ownership?

Because, essentially, OP have pre-empted Ford by flooding the international market with Ford-designed shades just TWO months before Ford himself intends to release HIS version!

ajb007/insane

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even at his Gucci times, TF has been a heavyweight in the design business and could dictate any contract that he has been offered.

David Schofield wrote:

Either the shades on screen are OPs or Ford has simply copied them.

I cannot see a third way.

Now you can!
And I can see very variable opinions with you now:

After accusing TF having copied OP, you are now mentioning OP copying TF.
I'd be careful with all this before we are having a final reply on all this.

We have no clear evidence, that TF was infact doing the Airman, Asp9mm has been talking about the Aviator.

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Having read all these threads, if Tom Ford is making the sunglasses featured in QOS then how can OP legally show Daniel Craig on there website wearing the OP Airman. They would be sued surely.

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Bondtoys wrote:

even at his Gucci times, TF has been a heavyweight in the design business and could dictate any contract that he has been offered.

David Schofield wrote:

Either the shades on screen are OPs or Ford has simply copied them.

I cannot see a third way.

Now you can!
And I can see very variable opinions with you now:

After accusing TF having copied OP, you are now mentioning OP copying TF.
I'd be careful with all this before we are having a final reply on all this.

We have no clear evidence, that TF was infact doing the Airman, Asp9mm has been talking about the Aviator.

Bondtoys, my opinions are not variable - merely speculations on how Ford can simply reproduce an OP design, or - if he has intellectual rights, as YOU speculate - OP can now re-release THEIR version.

There doesn't seem to be any inconsistency in having two theories. My suggestion of yesterday evening - that Ford must be copying OP - was before ASP9mm suggested Ford was involved in original OP design. However, as I have suggested, I still do not 100% accept that his intellectual rights exist in view of OPs re-release! I do not see how this has been inconsistent, based on new info?!

However, legalities apart, my own view, for what it is worth, is the shades Craig wore during filming (and identified as such by OP and AS)bore OP markings. Whether or not Ford is able produce a copy or not.

Therefore, I am happy with the info from OP and, particularly, AS. I susupect, Bondtoys, you, however, are not "happy" with AS.

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David Schofield wrote:

Therefore, I am happy with the info from OP and, particularly, AS. I susupect, Bondtoys, you, however, are not "happy" with AS.

ajb007/rolleyes Please don't speculate about my feelings.

I am only trying to bring some informations into all this and to balance opinions, that's all.

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I have recently purchased a pair of the OP AIRMAN which in my opinion are the glasses in the film. They are fantastic glasses and come with black and grey eay pieces

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David Schofield wrote:
cpoulos62 wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:

To save confusion, Tom Ford actually designed the Aviators for OP.  Remember he was a hired designer for big companies like Gucci before he struck out on his own.

That is definately the tie-in. It is starting to come together. Thanks Asp9mm

But if I were - say - hired by Aston Martin and designed their new model and then left the firm, I wouldn't have any rights to make a copy of that car and give it another name.

So I'm not sure it's quite as simple as that - not with OPs re-releasing THEIR Airmans...

Unless ASP9mm knows more (which wouldn't surprise me);)

I actually have no idea, but there is definately something going on at Tom Ford regarding the Airman design too, as I have had reports from other parties that they provided the glasses seen in the trailers.

The whole thing is so confusing and speculative that no-one knows what the Hell is going on with the two companies involved.  Time will tell, and we'll all get ****ed off in the process until we find out.  There is too much dis-information floated by both Adam Simmonds and Tom Ford agents at the moment, it's impossible to see through the smoke.  Only Oliver Peoples have yet to make a direct claim.

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I found this link on the Oliver Peoples website:

http://www.oliverpeoples.com/op_framed_faces/index.html

Take a look at the second picture from the left. While not an official press release, it certainly looks like OP is saying it's the Airmans.

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In the world of marketing that is called a visual claim...

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Have you sold these yet? I am very interested in these sunglasses.

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Adam Simmonds wrote:

I've been reading these threads for a while now with a growing sense of amusement and - more recently - bemusement, over the theories and misinformation that have been suggested regarding the Oliver Peoples Airmans. I feel that the time has come to shed some light on the matter.

The facts are simple: the Airman (a previously discontinued frame) was chosen in a friend of mine's optician (in London's Soho) by Daniel Craig's stylist. Having sold a good number of Persol 2720 and 2244s as a result of Casino Royale, I figured it a shame that they'd gone and chosen a discontinued frame. I waited until I had confirmation that they were being worn in the film and called Oliver Peoples, with whom I have a very good relationship, and asked them to re-introduce the Airman.

Initially they declined, being a relatively small (non mass-production) company, but after telling them how many Persols were sold worldwide following the previous Bond film, they eventually decided to order an initial 300 pairs, of which 150 had polarised lenses, the other 150 photochromic. Being the entrepreneurial type, I pre-ordered all of their polarised stock, and 20 photochromic. We now have these in stock, of which over 100 have been sold.

It would appear that around June-time, Oliver Peoples realised that they were seriously underestimating the potential demand and decided to have more produced which, as they take four months to make, will not be available until October. I think it pertinent to point out that Oliver Peoples are completely at liberty to do what they want with the Airmans - it's their frame, and if they decide to capitalise on the likely demand, well, good for them. And the Airmans that have been re-made are not in any way branded for the film - they're exactly as they originally were, although I must admit to a bit of frustration over the difference in colour of the end tips.

As far as the latest conspiracy theory goes, Oliver Peoples making glasses for Tom Ford is absurd. That is completely and utterly in the realms of impossibility. UNLESS... there's another pair of sunglasses that are being worn in the film that no one knows about as yet. (And I'm really, really not suggesting that there is another pair!)

I hope that clarifies matters and may the sun shine brightly on those forum members who have received their Airmans.

Adam

Well, I think, it is now time for A.S. to get his facts straight.

Some people speculated about my motivation to speak against everything, which has been announced by him: If you have read my comments carefully, you could see, why.

So, Adam, where are your facts now after reading all this: http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic … mp;cpage=4

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So, we've been sold the Airmans under false pretences!!!  I've checked the stills and magazines etc, and the differences between the Airman frames and the Ford ones are quite evident on the frame and arms.  Craig IS most certainly NOT wearing OP Airmans.  And I'm not at all happy.

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.... and as much as A.S. claimed to be after the fact and the truth, I think, it's time for him to give us his point of view here.

Unless his appearance here on the board was only for the purpose damage control for his business.

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Bondtoys wrote:

.... and as much as A.S. claimed to be after the fact and the truth, I think, it's time for him to give us his point of view here.

Unless his appearance here on the board was only for the purpose damage control for his business.

I have sent A.S. links to these thread and the Sunglasses Shop website link.

I'm looking forwward to future developements...

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oh, DS, isn't it time for an apology? ajb007/wink

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Bondtoys wrote:

oh, DS, isn't it time for an apology? ajb007/wink

I am waiting to see how this plays out, Bondtoys, though a this stage I would agree your hand seems to contain a few aces...

My only observation on the Sunglasses Shop ad is that the Ford's include "a customized Tom Ford James Bond 007 logo"... and that in another post it is accepted that Sunspel supplied polo's which Ford's copied for the film...

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Hi All -

Well this is getting interesting isn't it.... I have written proof that the Quantum of Solace production team bought an Oliver Peoples Airman on 31st October 2007 which was chosen to be worn by Daniel Craig. The stills and early videos clearly show that they were being worn by him.

It now transpires that because Tom Ford has the clothes license for the film he also wanted to get in on the sunglasses so had a copy of the Airmans made. The big un-answered question at the moment is which pair is ACTUALLY being worn in the film: the originals or the copies. It's also possible (but highly unlikely) that certain scenes may have been either deleted or re-shot. We (collectively) simply don't know at this stage and, believe me, I want to know as soon as I possibly can and pretty obviously, feel terrible if we've been duped.

One rumour I can certainly put to bed is that Tom Ford originally designed the Airman - this is completely untrue. Also, because the frame was discontinued doesn't mean that the design becomes available for anyone to copy. The design still belongs to Oliver Peoples and there are legal ramifications that I don't wan't to comment on at this stage.

I wanted to reply so that you know that we're looking into things here and keeping a very close eye on developments. In the meantime, it may be a crumb of solace that the Tom Ford copy is made from cheap metal (not titanium like the Airman) and the lenses are cheap plastic (not coated polarised glass like the Airman) and are selling for £250.00.

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.. oh that's interesting to read, A.S.

So, you would say, that plastic optical lenses are generally low-end and cheap? Why are you selling such cheap things then in your store?

And would'nt you agree, that a pair of Ti sunglasses with "real" glass lenses are more heavy than sunglasses with a regular metal frame and plastic lenses?

How does weight affect the comfort of sunglasses, especially worn under sunny conditions?

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Maybe it's been lost in translation, but your comments have no bearing on what I posted. And yes, you're absolutely right, glass lenses are heavier than plastic. (Although I have no idea of the relevance).

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Adam Simmonds wrote:

Maybe it's been lost in translation, but your comments have no bearing on what I posted. And yes, you're absolutely right, glass lenses are heavier than plastic. (Although I have no idea of the relevance).

Glad to help out here: ajb007/cheers

Adam Simmonds wrote:

In the meantime, it may be a crumb of solace that the Tom Ford copy is made from cheap metal (not titanium like the Airman) and the lenses are cheap plastic (not coated polarised glass like the Airman)

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Oliver Peoples and all it's distributors are going to have major issues on their hands.

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