51

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

I'll have an attempt to write a full review in the spoiler thread after I've seen the film again as there is a lot to discuss. But for now...

There is always a different kind of buzz in the cinema when watching a Bond film. You get all types of people turning up of all ages, which I always think is cool. As I walked in the lobby a very excited woman came up to me and asked if I was watching James Bond, then persisted in telling me, herself and everybody else how much she loved Bond films. That was fine, but I was glad when she sat away from me. One thing I can't stand is talking through a film, and as soon as the PTS started the guy behind started to mumble. It got too much and after a polite dig to the knee and a stern "can you stop talking please" he shut up. But I felt like I missed out on the Stunning PTS because of this. Anyway, on to the film itself.

I thought the film was excellent. The script was fresh and I felt like I'm watching a new (and needed) type of Bond. I know some fans still want the gadgets and OTT villains and the lighter approach, but in this day and age it simply will not work. The tone in SKYFALL works. Craig gives a performance of Bond which is straight off the pen of Ian Fleming. He takes us into parts of Bond we've never seen on screen and he does it well. That being said, there is more humour to him than his previous performances, not gags as such, but humorous moments that got a strong reaction from the crowd.

The rest of the cast were also in fine form. Both Bond girls were good, but I'll leave it at that not to spoil anything. I always wanted to see Ralf Fiennes as a Bond villain, but this suited him much better. He is a great presence, and such a wonderful actor who plays of Judy Dench's M wonderfully. Speaking of which, M is much more of an interesting character than before. I always groan when I hear the same old "she has more to do in this film" but this time it worked. Rory Kinnear is the best Tanner we've had and works well as M's number 2. And Q, jury is still out on this one till I see the film again, but I did enjoy the banter between him and Craig. No sod it, he was decent and fresh and more importantly believable.

Javier Bardem was by far the most interesting villain we've had for a number of years. He was saddistic and creepy. My only gripe is you could tell the Joker influence a little too much in places.

The cinematography was fantastic. The Shanghai scenes were stunning and I loved the lighting. Easily the best looking Bond and possibley the best looking film of the year.

Editing was back to normal after the mess that was QOS. The pace of the action was well done and I could clearly tell what was happening on all accounts.

The score was so so. It wasn't bad but was forgettable. There were no themes running throughout and I felt like it was "just there" Some nice use of the Bond cues, but I'd have liked to of heard more.

I think that's it, much fingers ache now anyway. I will point out my negative in the film, at places it could be "The Dark Bond Rises." It was stated that Nolan was a influence on this film and you can clearly tell. It's hard to go into detail without spoilers but certain plot points have obviously been lifted from Batman. However it's without all the preach bullshit, so that's a plus from me.

Overall Skyfall is a great stand alone film as it is a Bond film. The script is fresh, the acting is top notch and plot is one we'll talk about for years to come. Yes at times it's a little close to Nolan's Batman and yes some fans will want the traditional bond, but to also nick (kind of) from Batman, this isn't the Bond film that some will want, it's the Bond film we need.  ajb007/martini

52

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

I’ve not seen Skyfall yet, but look forward to it, if all the reviews are accurate. It certainly can’t be as bad as Quantum, which has to be the worst in the serious since Licensed to Kill.

I have heard Adele’s song on YouTube, and thought it dire—almost a parody of a Bond song. And what’s going on with her accent? She sounds like Sinatra—Frank, not Nancy.  ajb007/lol

53

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Smiert-Spionam wrote:
zaphod wrote:

Went to see it again at a open performance for Muggles, not in IMAX last night. Loved it almost as much. Great audience reaction. Spoke with the Manager of the Cinema to gauge audience reaction so far which has been ecstatic. No doubt there will be differences of opinion about certain elements poss too many one-liners ( I kid you not) but that's not a task for now, and can wait until we have all seen it, including our American friends of course. for the time being on 2nd view it stands up as one of the best Bond films so far.

The screening that I went to last night had a round of applause at the end of the film. Never ever seen that happen before!  ajb007/martini

That's weird, because I almost clapped - then heard someone telling their partner they almost did the same. My wife said she felt like it too! I think if someone had the whole cinema would have!

Amazon #1 Bestselling Author. If you enjoy espionage, action and fast-moving thrillers follow this link:

http://anthonybateman1.wixsite.com/author-blog

54

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Hard for me to review a non-spoiler version, so I'll just give one sentence: The best bond film in a long time.  ajb007/martini

1 - Avtak, 2 - Ltk, 3 - Op, 4 - Lald, 5 - Fyeo, 6 - Sf, 7 - Ge, 8 - Ohmss, 9 - Daf, 10 - Dn, 11 - Tmwtgg, 12 - Tld, 13 - Sp, 14 - Mr, 15 - Tswlm, 16 - Yolt, 17 - Gf, 18 - Frwl, 19 - Dad, 20 - Twine, 21 - Tnd, 22 - Qos, 23 - Tb, 24 - Cr

1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby

55

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

osris wrote:

It certainly can’t be as bad as Quantum, which has to be the worst in the serious since Licensed to Kill.

QOS is better than all four Brosnan films.

I'm concerned about the number of reviews that mention Skyfall has very poor CGI. There is no excuse for bad CGI in a major motion picture in 2012.

56

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

jasper_lamar_crabb wrote:
osris wrote:

It certainly can’t be as bad as Quantum, which has to be the worst in the serious since Licensed to Kill.

QOS is better than all four Brosnan films.

I'm concerned about the number of reviews that mention Skyfall has very poor CGI. There is no excuse for bad CGI in a major motion picture in 2012.

I have a bad-CGI radar but I do not recall anything in particular that stood out in the way that DAD's bad CGI stood out. I think the miniatures and back/front projection work was very good throughout SF.

57

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Predator wrote:
jasper_lamar_crabb wrote:
osris wrote:

It certainly can’t be as bad as Quantum, which has to be the worst in the serious since Licensed to Kill.

QOS is better than all four Brosnan films.

I'm concerned about the number of reviews that mention Skyfall has very poor CGI. There is no excuse for bad CGI in a major motion picture in 2012.

I have a bad-CGI radar but I do not recall anything in particular that stood out in the way that DAD's bad CGI stood out. I think the miniatures and back/front projection work was very good throughout SF.

Same here....  ajb007/confused

YNWA: Justice For The 96

Sometimes no news is just bad news taking it's fvcking time

58

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

The only bit of Bad CGI I could see ( with only one viewing ) was the
Face of Craig in some parts of the Bike chase. An obvious "Paste" of
his over the stuntman's. Just looked odd.

59

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

http://www.deadline.com/2012/10/james-b … ore-360936

But sources tell Deadline now that Skyfall opened as Britain’s all-time biggest Friday opening and biggest opening weekend. It smashed previous records set by the two other Daniel Craig as 007 movies. Skyfall‘s UK total is expected to be £20M weekend ($32.2M) compared with the first installment Casino Royale‘s opening weekend of £13.37m ($21.53M) and Quantum Of Solace‘s £15.38m ($24.77M) which broke UK box office records for the biggest opening weekend when it was released in 2008.

   

Skyfall‘s Friday opening day of £6.2M ($9.99M) also shattered Quantum Of Solace‘s previous recordholder of £4.9M.

Some good news on the Boxoffice for EON.   ajb007/lol

and some news that Eon are so pleased with Skyfall that its screenwriter John Logan already is writing the next two installments, Bond 24 and 25.

60

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

I saw Skyfall yesterday and absolutlely enjoyed it!  For me the most certainly movie lived up to the hype and I have already signed up to Amazon's email notification for its release on Blu-Ray.  A big well done to all involved in making this great movie!

No idea how they will beat it in the next Bond movie but for now I am one very happy Bond fan.

NMS

A sense of humour is no laughing matter!

61

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Oh and as for the worries about CGI I think they are unfounded.  Very well done!

NMS

A sense of humour is no laughing matter!

62

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

I just saw a new TV spot on BBC America which I'm pretty sure just gave away the ending of the film. It's what I assumed happens anyway, but I think it's pretty much confirmed now, I they wish they wouldn't do that.

63

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Just got back from seeing it and although IMHO it is not the masterpiece it has been hyped up to be I still really enjoyed it.there are lots of bits you could nitpick at but there is with every Bond film. It is without doubt the best of Craig's Bonds to date(although anything is better than Qos)and pretty good performances by all. Not a classic Bond but then this is the 21st century Bond so I suppose this will become a classic in its own right.
Worth a visit  to the cinema but will wait till it comes out on DVD to see it again.

64

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

My initial thoughts. Some really dramatic scenes, great cinematography, very good action, very good title sequence, good humour, and strong performances from the cast, especially Javier Bardem, who should have had considerably more screen time.

But I can't help feel that some of the plot is built on dodgy foundations. Two very important questions are left unanswered, which to my mind is a lazy, unforgivable piece of non-story telling. Other questions need to be resolved with subsequent viewings.

Mixed feelings then. Not quite the great film the media is making it out to be but still very enjoyable, and a very worthy entry to the Bond series.

Moore Not Less 4371 posts (2002 - 2007)       Moore Than (2012 - 2016)

65

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

My spoiler free two cents:

A hugely ambitious Bond film that tries to leave its impact on the franchise much in the same way that CR did (epic action, character defining moments, etc). I thought it was a very worthy entry, though not as emotionally powerful as CR.

I have two complaints:
One is with the villain (wonderfully portrayed, but his use in the plot left me cold). I'm curious: anybody else thought he was a great character but disappointingly used?
The other complaint is with the third act. I can't say why I didn't like it without giving stuff away, but I'll just say first and second acts are perfect; third is just okay.

On the plus side: gorgeous cinematography; great acting (especially Craig and Bardem); excellent use of supporting characters; perfect integration of traditional Bond cliches; a very very satisfying ending.

Last edited by Harry Palmer (31st Oct 2012 18:52)

1. Tld, 2. Ltk, 3. Cr, 4. Qs, 5. Frwl, 6. Twine, 7. Tnd, 8. Tswlm, 9. Ohmss, 10. Tb, 11. Ge, 12. Gf, 13. Dn, 14. Mr, 15. Op, 16. Yolt, 17. Sf, 18. Daf, 19. Fyeo, 20. Sp, 21. Avtak, 22. Dad, 23. Lald, 24. Tmwtgg

66

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Agree that the last act sags in comparison to the first two.

67

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Just got back from seeing the movie!
People claim this to be one of the very best Bond movies ever, and yes... I have to say it truly is!! Boy does this movie deliver! I was BLOWN away!  ajb007/biggrin This truly was a Bond movie, the way a Bond movie should be! Great refreshing plot, the cinematography was excellent, and the ending left me with a huge smurk on my face!!  ajb007/biggrin  And I even have the say, the gunbarrel was indeed better off where it is placed now! Sam Mendes made a masterpiece, and I am very glad that he is returning as a director for Bond 24. (From what I've heared.)

This one will definitely end up ranking very high on fans list for years to come!  ajb007/martini

My 007 film reviews:  Recapping 007  (NEW TND EPISODE!)
YouTube channel  Support my channel on Patreon  Twitter   Facebook fanpage

68

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Saw  it  for  the  second  time  today. Its  still brilliant!  Honestly  I love  it  -for  me  it s  actually  better  than Casino Royale! Something I didn't  think I would  be  saying. Don't  get  me  wrong. Casino Royale  is  excellent -but  in  this  I just felt Daniel was just so comfortable  in  the  role  that everything  just  fitted  right. Already  need  to see  it  again. ajb007/smile

69

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

I saw it today, loved a lot of it but a few things I disliked (really minor) which took away perfection.  Mainly (without spoilers) the conclusion, two things were forced unnecessary upon us.

Instagram - welshboy1978

70

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Not impressed. Anyone offended by Bond's unchivalrous dumping of Mathis in the skip in QoS will find plenty to occupy themselves here... why should we cherish and celebrate a sociopath? Beats me. I can buy into Craig's Bond, but not when he is dropped into the kind of action film that defies belief, it really requires a handsome Brosnan-style leading man where you can suspend your disbelief. At times, the credibility levels is on a par with Moore's The Man with the Golden Gun. Craig should be a kind of Richard Burton in The Wild Geese character, not the iconic Bond. Bond is too iconic here, it's too knowing, it doesn't fit.

Lots of guff about how Bond is old and past it. True, Craig measures up here, with white growth for a beard and sunken eyes, but only two films back they were trying to sell him as the new kid on the block! It's all a lame dramatic ruse to give Bond a challenge to overcome, his disapproving new superiors. As lame as the McGuffin.

It's great visually, fine cinematography and it sort of hold your interest but like QoS this doesn't feel like a Bond movie to me, it has pretensions that don't work for me at all. So it's not too far off QoS, but much more spectacular and without the shakycam. To me, it's a bit like OHMSS - but not the skiing scenes, but the weird bit when he does the heraldry bit and then we see him in a kilt - or NSNA or GE in terms of its knowingness as a Bond film. Bond just isn't a real bloke in this, though Craig should be a down to earth figure. He's only done two missions, but we're meant to always be aware of his 50 year past, the film wants to have its cake and eat it. Why do he and M have this, er, bond, this link? This isn't Brosnan. In fact, looking as he does, it would make more sense if this was Brosnan's movie, he could pull it off even now. That would work and make sense. Except, it would draw up the parallels between SF and TWINE quite a fair bit.   ajb007/frown

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017

71

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Another Skyfall Review.... a view that is slightly different.

EDIT: The review you link to is FULL of spoilers....this is the NO SPOILERS thread...hence it's been removed.

Last edited by Sir Miles (3rd Nov 2012 23:49)

72

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Napoleon Plural wrote:

Not impressed. Anyone offended by Bond's unchivalrous dumping of Mathis in the skip in QoS will find plenty to occupy themselves here... why should we cherish and celebrate a sociopath? Beats me. I can buy into Craig's Bond, but not when he is dropped into the kind of action film that defies belief, it really requires a handsome Brosnan-style leading man where you can suspend your disbelief. At times, the credibility levels is on a par with Moore's The Man with the Golden Gun. Craig should be a kind of Richard Burton in The Wild Geese character, not the iconic Bond. Bond is too iconic here, it's too knowing, it doesn't fit.

Lots of guff about how Bond is old and past it. True, Craig measures up here, with white growth for a beard and sunken eyes, but only two films back they were trying to sell him as the new kid on the block! It's all a lame dramatic ruse to give Bond a challenge to overcome, his disapproving new superiors. As lame as the McGuffin.

It's great visually, fine cinematography and it sort of hold your interest but like QoS this doesn't feel like a Bond movie to me, it has pretensions that don't work for me at all. So it's not too far off QoS, but much more spectacular and without the shakycam. To me, it's a bit like OHMSS - but not the skiing scenes, but the weird bit when he does the heraldry bit and then we see him in a kilt - or NSNA or GE in terms of its knowingness as a Bond film. Bond just isn't a real bloke in this, though Craig should be a down to earth figure. He's only done two missions, but we're meant to always be aware of his 50 year past, the film wants to have its cake and eat it. Why do he and M have this, er, bond, this link? This isn't Brosnan. In fact, looking as he does, it would make more sense if this was Brosnan's movie, he could pull it off even now. That would work and make sense. Except, it would draw up the parallels between SF and TWINE quite a fair bit.   ajb007/frown


from what i understand,  continuity is not a priority for the Bond films anymore...in fact, if i've understood the director Mendes, this is suppose to be Bond circa '1962'.

am i wrong here?

"Wait till you get to my teeth..."
-Thunderball

73

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

First I've heard of it. You could be right. Not literally, as the 1980s is referenced in the film at one point.

Yes, it's as if Bond is now a post-modernist genre, in that you have a mish mash of things from past and present thrown together, and no sense of chronology or time. The 1970s didn't seem to hark back to previous films, though I guess TSWLM is very much like YOLT and so on. But there isn't that constant referencing, not even the vodka martini.

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017

74

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Napoleon Plural wrote:

Not impressed. Anyone offended by Bond's unchivalrous dumping of Mathis in the skip in QoS will find plenty to occupy themselves here... why should we cherish and celebrate a sociopath? Beats me. I can buy into Craig's Bond, but not when he is dropped into the kind of action film that defies belief, it really requires a handsome Brosnan-style leading man where you can suspend your disbelief. At times, the credibility levels is on a par with Moore's The Man with the Golden Gun. Craig should be a kind of Richard Burton in The Wild Geese character, not the iconic Bond. Bond is too iconic here, it's too knowing, it doesn't fit.

Lots of guff about how Bond is old and past it. True, Craig measures up here, with white growth for a beard and sunken eyes, but only two films back they were trying to sell him as the new kid on the block! It's all a lame dramatic ruse to give Bond a challenge to overcome, his disapproving new superiors. As lame as the McGuffin.

It's great visually, fine cinematography and it sort of hold your interest but like QoS this doesn't feel like a Bond movie to me, it has pretensions that don't work for me at all. So it's not too far off QoS, but much more spectacular and without the shakycam. To me, it's a bit like OHMSS - but not the skiing scenes, but the weird bit when he does the heraldry bit and then we see him in a kilt - or NSNA or GE in terms of its knowingness as a Bond film. Bond just isn't a real bloke in this, though Craig should be a down to earth figure. He's only done two missions, but we're meant to always be aware of his 50 year past, the film wants to have its cake and eat it. Why do he and M have this, er, bond, this link? This isn't Brosnan. In fact, looking as he does, it would make more sense if this was Brosnan's movie, he could pull it off even now. That would work and make sense. Except, it would draw up the parallels between SF and TWINE quite a fair bit.   ajb007/frown


Bond hasn't always been the white knight, raping Pussy Galore can't be deemed the act of chivalry.  Your also making the assumption that because he's only made 2 films prior to Skyfall, Craig Bond hasn't been on any missions in the intervening years.  I suppose if the 50 years had been ignored there would be the usual spinning in grave comments and not respecting the franchise.

Last edited by DCFAN (6th Nov 2012 14:08)

75

Re: Skyfall....A Personal View...With NO Spoliers...

Sigh... he raped Pussy Galore did he. Guess I'll have to watch that one again.

Yes, I made the assumption that Bond hadn't made been on any missions in the intervening years. Well, literally I guess he must have been, it's been what four years since the last one. But it's not an irrational assumption to make is it. And there's nothing in the script to say otherwise, no reference by M to any other adventures or missions.

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017