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Thanks Jetset I can't see it again until Wednesday -by reading  your review It  brings  everything  back so clearly  - I will probably  keep on  rereading  to fulfill my Bondian fix each day until Wednesday.  ajb007/martini
Just a brilliant entry into the  Bond canon. I guessed Eve was going  to be Moneypenny and  even realised that Mallory was going  to be  the new M whilst watching. But wow what a fantastic villain Silva was! Like you I felt the tube train Should've been full of  passengers -somehow it would  have  been more realistic and  of  course  accentuated Silva's evilness. The scene with 007 jumping  onto the  underneath of  the  lift was  brilliant -a true  Bondian moment. The  combat sequences were brilliant and the action  didn't seem formulaic and just like a set  piece  for a set  pieces sake. They evolved with the tale. All I can say is  I loved  it and  can't  wait  to see  it  again and  then eventually  have  it  on DVD.  It  feels  like  a  classic  movie  already  and  one  that I will remain very  fond  of.  ajb007/bond

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Saw Skyfall last night and have to say it blew me away! the acting, the dialouge and the action scenes were all top notch! I wouldn't of ever thought it possible to make a Bond movie where the villains purpose was not world domination or extortion but something so basic and it worked. Javier Bardem is going to go down in history one of the most exceptional Bond villains ever. The komodo Dragon scene was great and the climax outstanding. Well done all the Bond team! 10/10

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I saw Skyfall last night and here are my first impressions: I think it's very good, definately among the top ten and probably near the top. It's a more traditional Bond movie than the previous two, but still fitting for Craig. The PTS was perfect, particularely the moment were 007 jumps into the train carriage. The title sequence was also really good, both the song and the animation. The idea of a transitition from Bond's fall into a realm of the dead is a good one, but I found the image of a enormous hand grabbing 007 heel at the very start a bit strange and even silly. The song is a solid and traditional Bond song. Perhaps too much so, making it a bit undistinct.
The story, characters and acting were very solid. There was no great twist to the story, if you don't count M's death. But does every action movie need a big twist? I don't think so - making one of his allies reveal himself/herself as a villan is in danger of becoming a clishe. Also liked the humour: broader than in CR and QoS, but funny and not over the top. With Bond movies there are often a quip or two were you cringe a bit, but I liked all the jokes this time.

At the end of Skyfall we have a new M, Q and Moneypenny. I like them all three. Ralph Fiennes is old enough to be M, and I liked the way his personality and background was slightly changes and updated, but not too much. Dame Judi Dench has done a great job, but a male M with a old fashioned office is very welcome indeed! I also look forward to seeing more of Eve Moneypenny. There was flirting and an unspoken backstory were Bond and Moneypenny has had a fling in teh old movies, so that fits in great. Moneypenny also shoots Bond early in TMTGG, so there is a link to the books and it makes sence giving her a background as a field agent. I suggested Ben Whishaw as Q a few weeeks before his casting was made public, and i feel a bit proud of that now. A young Q-like character has become a bit standard in spy shows lately, but I think his acting, his involvment in the story and gadgets makes it work. It will be fun to see the whole MI6 family back together again in the next Bond movie!   
Javier Bardem as Silva deserves a special mention. One of the best Bond villans ever! Making him gay and flirt with Bond was daring, but I think it works. Severine is very beautiful and acts surprisingly well, considering her not so impressive acting background. She pulled of the mix of nervousness, seductiveness and arrogance the character needed.

The direction was very good, as I expected from Mendes. The images were fantastic, so the DoP deserves appaluse. I also liked the music. It ws great to have the bond theme back!     
What didn't I like? first of all - why is the gunbarrel at the end? I think it would be perfect to place it at the begining where it's supposed to be, since Skyfall is the more traditional, true to the formula movie. It was also completely unrealistic to have Q hook up Silva's computer to the MI6 mainframe inside the firewall - a huge NO for anyone working with security. But I guess it works with the story.
But were are the big, spectacular stunts? The scene with the excavator on the train was fantastic, but what of the rest of the movie? You could count the runaway tube train and the helicopter crashing into Skyfall House, but those were more money shots and less stunts. If they had filmed a scene were you can clearly see the train narrowly missing Bond in one shot it would more of a stunt in my book.
The trailers gave away too much. They should have left out Bond's "death" and/or the bombing of MI6 HQ. Both sequences would have worked better if they came as a surprise to the general audience.

I guess I'll post one or two more times about Skyfall, but this is it for now  ajb007/biggrin

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OK, I am a man of feqw words, and I think some contributors have said it all !

Went twice yesterday and just back from Imax this morning

I loved CR and DC is already my fave Bond

But Skyfall challenges CR iMHO. It shot brilliantly, Script is serious and funny, DC acts amazingly, prob one of the villains of all time (Congrats Javier), sad end but then re-lifts you as we see a return for Moneypenny and M.....

Will make the most of the next few weeks and then wait excitedly for the BluRay release....

Congratulations to everyone involved

Same team for No 24 ???


Mark

Skewered, one sympathises...

1. CR. 2. TSWLM. 3. LTK. 4. GF. 5. SF.

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SPOILERS

In this post I review the role of M and her relationship with Bond in 'Skyfall', in the light of some of my 2008/09 posts. (It's tempting to imagine that the film's creators glanced at some previous discussions on this site when making certain decisions, given how closely 'Skyfall' negotiates some of the issues we've discussed here in the past; though it's probably all just coincidence.) I also have notes on the film's villain, the Jaws allusion, Moneypenny, Severine, Q and Adele's title song.


M, Bond, Continuities and Gender Politics

Shady Tree wrote:

2nd Dec 2008 23:09

Is the M of CR/QOS intended to be the same person as the M of GE, TND, TWINE and DAD? I think that she can't be, as the franchise has been 'rebooted' with the origins of a new Bond. But the ambiguous stance of Dench's M towards Bond remains the same as before, as do her other personal traits and attitudes: so to all intents and purposes, she is the same character.[Edit]


In ‘Skyfall’, Ralph Fiennes’ character, Mallory, congratulates M on having had “a great run” in the job, suggesting that it's time for her to go. It’s as though he’s simultaneously addressing:

(a) Dame Judi Dench as an actor (she's appeared in seven consecutive Bond films);

(b) the 'rebooted' M of the three Daniel Craig films (who we know from her dialogue in CR has been in post at least since the Cold War);

and

(c) a popular memory of Dench's character, which ranges across all of her previous Bond movies and thus merges together (i) the M of the Craig films, and (ii) the 'pre-reboot' M of the Pierce Brosnan films (a successor to Bernard Lee's M, whose portrait hangs in the background of an MI6 venue in TWINE. When, in 'Skyfall', M makes a knowing reference to the vintage Aston Martin DB5's ejector seat, it's almost as if the film has realigned her with 'pre-reboot' continuity. Come to think of it: is the DB5 in 'Skyfall' meant to be the same one that the newly promoted 007 of CR won from Alex Dimitrios, with a few modifications added? Or is it, by a sleight of merged continuities, meant to be the same vehicle in which the earlier Bond raced around during TB and GE, preserved in MI6 storage?) 


By the end of ‘Skyfall’, Fiennes himself has taken up the mantle of M. The final moments of the film make it clear that Fiennes' lineage in the role extends back through the whole fifty years of the franchise: we see him as the new M in a version of M's office dressed as it used to be in the early Bond films featuring Bernard Lee, complete with leather padded door and hard copy dockets marked 'Top Secret'. One point niggling me, though, is that I thought that Mallory started out in the film as a government minister - which would make him an elected politician - rather than as a senior civil servant / retired officer, of the sort who might indeed be eligible for appointment to M's executive role. (I'll have to check on Mallory's status during a second viewing; I may be mistaken.)


Shady Tree wrote:

7th Jun 2009 14:15

Judi Dench was great casting as M and, as an actor, she's done excellent work with whatever has been written for her. The way she was set up in GE and TND - as a notional "evil queen of numbers" who actually had much more to her than an accountant's mind-set - was very well conceived. A problem with the writing since then - most evident in DAD and QOS - is that M's continual lurching between her attitude of, "Call Bond off - he's a liability," and her other attitude of, "I'll trust him and back him up, because he's my agent and, at the end of the day, I privately respect his instincts," has become rather jarring and cliched.

2nd Dec 2008 21:36

An aspect of continuity between CR/QOS and DAD is the stale and wearisome dilemma afflicting Judi Dench's M - i.e., whether to trust Bond or whether to write him off as a liability ("Restrict Bond's movements!" Yawn!)  M's wavering, two-sided handling of Bond seems to be an element carried over to the re-boot.[Edit]


In ‘Skyfall’, mutual understanding between Bond and Dame Judi's M is by far the more prominent element.  If M has cause to doubt whether the resurrected Bond is fit for service, questions about her own fitness to continue in her role are asked by her government superiors, including Mallory. Following the loss of the confidential file and the attack on MI6 headquarters, a belligerent government enquiry into M’s running of the Secret Service puts her judgment in question (as she might have been questioned in TWINE over her compromising personal interest in/past handling of Elektra King). M is clear that she’s done her duty – and events prove her right - but she harbours regrets over the deaths she thinks she's caused. The fact that in 'Skyfall' both Bond and M stare into the abyss draws them closer together, and Bond ultimately has faith in her.  When he observes “you did your job” he’s supporting her not only in having stood her ground against her government critics but also, perhaps, in the decision she made to order Eve Moneypenny (Naomie Harris) to ‘take the bloody shot’ which accidentally took him out. He's loyal to M despite his initial argument with her over that decision - and despite the residue tension expressed during his psychological assessment when he makes a comic association of the letter “M” with the word “bitch”.       



Shady Tree wrote:

2nd Dec 2008 23:25

The M of GE calls Bond a "dinosaur" (implying that Brosnan's Bond is the same guy as the Bond in all the earlier movies), whereas the M of CR/QOS is testing out her Bond, a new Bond, as an agent only recently promoted to Double-0 status.

It's interesting that in QOS, during a conversation between Bond and Camille, Bond refers to M as a "friend" who'd like to think of herself as his "mother" - and he smiles as he says this.  It’s a moment which implies that there's a lot of water under the bridge between these two characters, even though we know that Craig's Bond has only recently obtained his license to kill.

As for Dame Judi, I admire her as an actress, but I think that M is limited as a character and that there is only so much that can be done with her. (TWINE stretched the character's potential about as far as it can go, giving Dame Judi her best material in the part.)[Edit]


I can now take back that last comment.  In the final act of ‘Skyfall’, Judi Dench’s and Albert Finney’s characters virtually become surrogate parents for the orphaned Bond, helping him fight off the villain’s assault in his eponymous childhood home. During the gunfight, M sustains an injury which will soon prove fatal.  As Bond mourns M, his heartfelt sorrow implies more strongly than in previous films that she's essentially a maternal figure to him. By contrast, in an almost Shakespearean twist, Javier Bardem's villain, Silva, is like M’s ‘bastard son’, a malcontent assimilating to himself the antipathy towards 'mommy' which Bond may have occasionally felt in the past - and amplifying it to grotesque, villainous proportions. 


Shady Tree wrote:

7th Jun 2009 14:15

Yes, I think it's time for an assassination of M... an episode which, if Quantum were responsible, would give them real clout, and which would give Dame Judi the honour of a memorable exit from the series. Two films from now, with a new M (I think it should be a man again), we could maybe get a new Moneypenny and a new Q (bring back John Cleese?) as a bonus to keep the nondescript Tanner company.


Well, it wasn’t exactly an assassination – that would have given the villain too much satisfaction ahead of his own demise - but Dame Judi does get to perform M’s death, cradled by a distraught Bond. As an acclaimed thespian it was only right that she was given the opportunity to perform a tragic ending for her character. In Britain, at least, audience reception of the upbeat 007 sketch for the London Olympics Opening Ceremony, in which Craig's Bond meets HM Queen Elizabeth II and escorts her to the festivities, has the collateral effect in 'Skyfall' of imbuing Dame Judi's M with something akin to national heritage status: her own matriarchy parallels the Queen's and is in service to it. It's true that the implied link between M and Her Majesty is mocked in the graphics which Silva sends to M's hacked computer, obliquely recalling The Sex Pistols' 'God Save The Queen' punk imagery, but overall the year of the Diamond Jubilee and the London Olympics forms a context which helps explain why M's decline and demise in 'Skyfall' seem so poignant. It also ties in with a greater use than in previous Bonds of British locations, i.e. London and the Scottish Highlands.

Dame Judi's heir is a man: Fiennes is perfect casting as M. I suppose I should be pleased that some of my wishes as I outlined them in my post of 2009 have been fulfilled: but maybe it’s a case of ‘be careful what you wish for’. Stella Rimington, the real-world former Head of MI6 (on whom the Judi Dench M was partly based in the 1990s), is reported to have said how sad she felt that ‘Skyfall’ ends as it does.  She could be forgiven for asking whether decades of improved workplace equality are being negated in the fantasy world of Bond by the film's deliberate reversion at the end to a patriarchal Secret Service set-up, circa the 1960s.  Sure, the closing references to vintage Bond tick all my fanboy boxes, but when the capable, action-oriented Eve Moneypenny leaves ‘the field’ to retreat to the role of a 60s-style secretary for the new male M (literally occupying the position of Lois Maxwell’s original Miss Moneypenny) this seems disturbingly regressive in terms of gender politics. It's a piece of retro business which has the gloss of Matthew Weiner's 'Mad Men' but without the same sense of critical irony.

That said, director Sam Mendes, the movie's writers and actress Bérénice Marlohe make a challenging and interesting decision to deconstruct another Bondian archetype - the villain's glamorous 'kept woman' - through their unsettling depiction of the character of Severine, showing her as a fatalistic, damaged victim of sex-trafficking; shot in cold blood without a sense from anybody on screen (not even Bond) that her death particularly matters. Severine is an edgier, nervy take on what an abused woman like Andrea in TMWTGG or Lupe in LTK might have looked like in sordid reality. Her very name is an allusion to De Sade. With her French accent and dusky looks Severine also recalls the dark side of Vesper, broken and neurotic.  'Skyfall' lacks a traditional Bond heroine, but its representations of women are thus divided interestingly - and problematically - between Severine and the new angles on Moneypenny and Judi Dench's M.     


The Villain

Shady Tree wrote:

30th Sep 2008 23:02

It's easy to overlook the potential for creepiness and scariness that Jaws had in 'The Spy Who Loved Me' - especially in the earlier scenes set in Egypt - because our collective memory of the character tends to be filtered through the broad comedy of his later appearance in 'Moonraker'.

In the right hands, a rebooted Kiel-Jaws could become a credible adversary of Craig's Bond - similar to what the Dark Night's Joker is to the Joker of the 60s TV version of Batman. In fact, I could just hear Craig, if asked whether he knows this larger-than-life assassin, deliver an old line of Roger Moore's in his own steely, wry style: "Not socially. His name's Jaws. He kills people."


Javier Bardem has said in interviews that ‘Moonraker’ was the first Bond film he saw, and he’s spoken of his admiration for Richard Kiel’s classic henchman, Jaws. In 'Skyfall', Silva's face is held intact only by a steel plate inserted in his mouth; when he removes the plate his face collapses. This creepy allusion to Jaws is one of many rewarding moments in Bardem's performance. He gives us more than a hint of 'The Dark Knight''s Joker, too (as with his self-indulgent push-button precipitation of the tube train crash); and there are shades of other Bond villains such as Trevelyan (a former operative of the Secret Service turned bad and vengeful), Renard (physically maimed), LeChiffre (having Bond tied to a chair), Scaramanga (his apparent enjoyment of Bond's company when he has him at an advantage), Charles Gray's Blofeld (camp), Greene (sleazy), Grant (bleached blonde hair), Largo and Drax (shooting as sport: from clay pigeons to pheasants to Severine) and Kristatos (killed by a knife thrown into his back). Silva's chilling tale about rats conditioned to eat their own kind is not only highly Flemingesque but also reminiscent of the cinematic Blofeld's observations about his Siamese Fighting Fish in FRWL. Yet Silva is at his creepiest when he's coming on to Bond. Bond rebuffs him with a throwaway suggestion that succumbing to his sexual advances wouldn't necessarily be the "first time" that he, Bond, has had an homosexual experience.  This isn't really an attempt by the writers to subvert the heteronormative values of the Bond world: the ironic humour of the line merely reflects Craig's Bond's implacable confidence in his own red-blooded heterosexuality. Still, it's an amusing response which lightly recalls the homoerotic tension in CR's torture sequence.       


Q, Austerity, Excess and Spectacle

Ever since Alec McCowen's entertaining performance as Q in NSNA - complaining in his cockney accent about the impact on his work of budgetary "cutbacks" - there's been humorous potential in introducing a Q purposely unlike the much-loved Desmond Llewelyn's version. (One problem with John Cleese's short-lived turn, in TWINE and DAD, is that he is in some ways too much of the same stock as Llewelyn.) I'm therefore quite happy that the new Q is personally unprepossessing and remarkably young, conforming to a modern stereotype of the genius techno kid but without being too much of a caricature. In a way which again puts me in mind of Alec McCowen's gripes against "cutbacks", 'Skyfall' reflects, indirectly, the economic 'austerity measures' which in the real world are putting the brakes on consumerism in large parts of Europe - including the UK and Spain (Bardem's/Silva's country of origin). The jokey lines in 'Skyfall' that one of Q branch's life-saving gadgets is simply a radio, and that 'we don't do exploding pens anymore' (a reference to GE), indicate a new minimalism. This isn't the first time that the Bond series has eschewed gadgetry as a reaction against past excesses (cf. FYEO after MR), but the current real-world climate of 'austerity' gives it all an extra resonance. The crumbling desolation of Silva's island, the daily grind of rainwashed London life, the barren surroundings of Skyfall and the return, at the end, to the Secret Service's small-scale, lo-tech/no-tech office spaces of vintage Bond films all resonate, too, with notions of 'austerity'.

If the world's emerging centres of economic growth are in the Far East, it's significant that 'Skyfall''s most glitzy, escapist locations are Shanghai and Macau. For Bond's final scrape with Patrice, spectacularly silhouetted against Shanghai's skyscaper lights, all that's missing is some lavish John Barry-style music - and no, I don't just mean the James Bond Theme. (Here, as elsewhere in the movie, Thomas Newman's generic action score is seviceable but repetitive and insufficiently Bondian.)     

The pre-credits chase sequence in Turkey combines, oddly, the high standard of stuntwork established for the Craig films by the parkour sequence in CR, with moments of partial throwback to a comic exoticisation of foreign cultures last served up (in more cartoonish forms) in late 70s/mid 80s chase scenes such as Bond's and Vijay's escape through the colourful Indian bazaar in OPY.  Yet 'Skyfall''s pre-credits sequence, culminating in the fight between Bond and Patrice atop the train, remains the action highlight of the film - a breathtaking set piece which is arguably positioned too early in the film (as was the problem in TWINE, with its 'Follow that!' pre-credits boat chase).     


The Title Song

Adele's song is a success. As someone who prefers a respectable pastiche of John Barry's classics to more experimental tracks, I welcome this one as the most Bondian of Bond songs since David Arnold's 'Surrender' and 'The World Is Not Enough', though it's not as complex as either of those. (Having said that, 'You Know My Name' nailed it as CR's opener, and I've recently grown to appreciate Jack White's 'Another Way To Die' in a way I wouldn't have thought possible when I first heard it, dismayed.)
In the tradition of Bondian vocalists, Adele is an appropriate choice - though musically there's perhaps an overdependence on a piano arrangement of The James Bond Theme bass line as the spine of the first minute and 20 seconds of the track.  I'm not too sold, either, on the choral echoes which come in later (they're a little too cheesy, in a light entertainment, sing-along, 'X Factor'-ish sort of a way). The final note of mounting menace provides a bridge back into the film and puts me in mind of similar effects in 'Scaramanga's Fun House'.

Adele gives more than a nod to Shirley Bassey - as at 0.40/0.41, where she races to and draws out the consonant "n" in the "count" of "and count to ten".   But also, perhaps, her affectation of a catch in her voice at 1.13/1.14, as she enunciates the 'e' vowel sound of "them" in "So overdue I owe them", is a passing homage to Amy Winehouse's trademark vocal style.  Adele's performance and the essential melancholy of the song make me think, actually, how unlucky we are that Amy Winehouse never did perform a Bond ballad, as at one point was the intention.  I'm moved by the gothic, funereal elements in Danny Kleinman's main title sequence to wonder again about the Bond song contribution-that-never-was from the late 'Back to Black' singer. But it's great that we've got Adele for this one.



Footnote

Shady Tree wrote:

By the end of ‘Skyfall’, Fiennes himself has taken up the mantle of M. The final moments of the film make it clear that Fiennes' lineage in the role extends back through the whole fifty years of the franchise: we see him as the new M in a version of M's office dressed as it used to be in the early Bond films featuring Bernard Lee, complete with leather padded door and hard copy dockets marked 'Top Secret'. One point niggling me, though, is that I thought that Mallory started out in the film as a government minister - which would make him an elected politician - rather than as a senior civil servant / retired officer, of the sort who might indeed be eligible for appointment to M's executive role. (I'll have to check on Mallory's status during a second viewing; I may be mistaken.)

I've now seen the film again. Early on, Tanner mentions that Mallory is "Chair of the Committee on Intelligence and Security". This sounds like it could be a parliamentary committee - and parliamentary committees are chaired by and composed of Members of Parliament.  Mallory also sits on the same side of the table as the woman MP leading the 'board of enquiry' into M's running of the Secret Service.  This is why my first assumption was that he's a politician; I thought that maybe he has a role similar to Frederick Grey, the Minister of Defence as played in previous Bond films by Geoffery Keen (who had an exceptionally long term in his Cabinet post through TSWLM, MR, FYEO, OPY, AVTAK and TLD!) Mallory's references to comments by the PM (The Prime Minister) reminded me of Grey. He certainly acts like he has ministerial authority over Judi Dench's M.

However, the weight of evidence is that Mallory is a senior public servant rather than a senior politician in government. Before Mallory proves his worth, Bond desribes him pejoratively as "a bureaucrat".  Also, we're told that in the army Mallory reached the rank of Lieutenant Colonel, which suggests a career pathway other than politics - a military parallel with Fleming's Sir Miles Messervy, perhaps, who was a retired Admiral. (Then again, some real-world MPs have regimental backgrounds: Paddy Ashdown, for instance, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats). The clincher, which I didn't notice until my second viewing of the film today, is that whereas Clare Dowar (I think that's her name) has 'MP' inscribed on her name plate at the board of enquiry, Gareth Mallory's name plate does not have this inscription. Thus it's safe to conclude that Mallory has an executive role rather than a political one, and that he is indeed eligible to take on the role of M - as, in fact, he does; and even if it is a demotion!

'Skyfall' plays to an international audience, so if there is a degree of uncertainty about Mallory's precise position within the British establishment prior to his becoming M, this is hardly going to exercise viewers of other nationalities (and probably not casual Brit viewers either!) 


After a repeated viewing I still rate the film highly.

Last edited by Shady Tree (12th Nov 2012 22:06)

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Oh my god. Oh my actual god.

This was the best bond film I have seen in a long time.

This film had everything - a detailed story, lots of character development, fine action, great locations, a wonderful villain. This is the first time in a long time that I have been speechless after seeing a bond film.

This film is so bond yet so different. It's the most epic bond film of them all, and is the ONLY bond film that emotionally made me feel bloody sad at the end. I cannot believe M died. I knew there were rumours. But I didn't know they'd turn out to be true. And is this the first time bond has cried since OHMSS? Powerful stuff.

We finally get to hear about bond's parents in the EON films too, and the whole skyfall lodge sequence was outstanding.

And now we are all set up, with Q, Moneypenny, and a new M. Looks like the bond we know is truly back.

Silva was just brilliant. The most convincing villain in a long time, and in a way, if you think about it - he won. He got what he wanted even though he was killed. Silva is one of the best villains of all time, and even rivals my favourite, Max Zorin.

There wasn't really a bond girl in this film though was there? Yes there was the girl who silva balanced the drink on, but her screen time wasn't really enough. But then I suppose you could say that Eve was the bond girl, too. The huge eve revelation at the end of the film shocked me, much like M's death, and the now new M. Three huge changes/revelations at the end of this film, and it just makes it even more epic.

What a bond film. Does it deserve the hype it's getting? Yes, yes it does. And they are gonna have a really hard time topping this one now.

1 - Avtak, 2 - Ltk, 3 - Op, 4 - Lald, 5 - Fyeo, 6 - Ge, 7 - Sf, 8 - Ohmss, 9 - Daf, 10 - Dn, 11 - Tmwtgg, 12 - Tswlm, 13 - Mr, 14 - Yolt, 15 - Tld, 16 - Sp, 17 - Frwl, 18 - Gf, 19 - Twine, 20 - Dad, 21 - Tnd, 22 - Qos, 23 - Cr, 24 - Tb

1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby

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Anyone else near to or actually have tears during the film? I got to admit I had to hold back a few times. I had my dad to my left and girlfriend to the right I couldn't lose my cool...but I was close  ajb007/cool

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Jimatay wrote:

Anyone else near to or actually have tears during the film? I got to admit I had to hold back a few times. I had my dad to my left and girlfriend to the right I couldn't lose my cool...but I was close  ajb007/cool

I cried at 3 points during the film.

Spoiler1)When the Bond theme blasted as the DB5 was unveiled complete with ejector seat gag.
2)When M died
3)As the film ended with Bond flirting with Moneypenny then walking into a classic M's office - In with the old!

SkyFall is the best bond film in years, better than CR, I am seeing it again tomorrow hopefully and I reckon on second viewing it'll change to my favourite Bond film ever. Just wonderful!

1 thing bugging me though - did anyone catch Michael G's cameo? I must of missed it.

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All of those points are the same points that nearly set me off

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scottmu65 wrote:
Jimatay wrote:

Anyone else near to or actually have tears during the film? I got to admit I had to hold back a few times. I had my dad to my left and girlfriend to the right I couldn't lose my cool...but I was close  ajb007/cool

I cried at 3 points during the film.

Spoiler1)When the Bond theme blasted as the DB5 was unveiled complete with ejector seat gag.
2)When M died
3)As the film ended with Bond flirting with Moneypenny then walking into a classic M's office - In with the old!

SkyFall is the best bond film in years, better than CR, I am seeing it again tomorrow hopefully and I reckon on second viewing it'll change to my favourite Bond film ever. Just wonderful!

1 thing bugging me though - did anyone catch Michael G's cameo? I must of missed it.

Was cut in the final cliping of the movie...he is not in

Copy paste:

Cut Scenes & Alternate Versions



- A procession of hearses and producer Michael G. Wilson's cameo as a pall bearer at the funeral service for the MI6 agents.

http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/movies/s … p;id=03347

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Jimatay wrote:

Anyone else near to or actually have tears during the film? I got to admit I had to hold back a few times. I had my dad to my left and girlfriend to the right I couldn't lose my cool...but I was close  ajb007/cool

I had a lump in my throat during M's death. The last scenes in M's office had me excited and giddy like the true 007 fanboy that I am  ajb007/lol

Smiert Spionam

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I must of missed something, CNN reports Six deaths But there are Eight coffins.
Found M's death a little sudden she seemed quite healthy dealing with Silva.
So is this DB5 the one from CR which bond has had Modified of the One from
Goldfinger which either has or Hasn't happened yet.
Not to rain on the Parade, I know so far everyone loved it. But........................

I found it a little over hyped with not much substance. Certainly a Good film
Although Not the Masterpiece some are making it out to Be. I doubt I'll
watch it again untill the Blu-ray release. ( Just to fill up the Box set ).  ajb007/biggrin
IMHO, Casino Royale is still to be Bettered.  ajb007/wink

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I must of missed something, CNN reports Six deaths But there are Eight coffins.
Found M's death a little sudden she seemed quite healthy dealing with Silva.
So is this DB5 the one from CR which bond has had Modified of the One from
Goldfinger which either has or Hasn't happened yet.
Not to rain on the Parade, I know so far everyone loved it. But........................

I found it a little over hyped with not much substance. Certainly a Good film
Although Not the Masterpiece some are making it out to Be. I doubt I'll
watch it again untill the Blu-ray release. ( Just to fill up the Box set ).  ajb007/biggrin
IMHO, Casino Royale is still to be Bettered.  ajb007/wink

Even on a second view I'm not sure if I can answer the better than CR or not issue, but for me that sets the bar very high. I need to get some distance and perspective as I'm so glad it's the anti-QOS that I'm not really able to fully calibrate. The fact that we are even asking that question bears out that it is certainly good enough to be spoken of in the same breath. Once the dust has settled I'm looking forward to a lot of good quality discussion and debate as there is a lot to talk/disagree about to keep us going. Anyone up for a Bond 24 thread or is it too early ?

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ics wrote:
scottmu65 wrote:
Jimatay wrote:

Anyone else near to or actually have tears during the film? I got to admit I had to hold back a few times. I had my dad to my left and girlfriend to the right I couldn't lose my cool...but I was close  ajb007/cool

I cried at 3 points during the film.

Spoiler1)When the Bond theme blasted as the DB5 was unveiled complete with ejector seat gag.
2)When M died
3)As the film ended with Bond flirting with Moneypenny then walking into a classic M's office - In with the old!

SkyFall is the best bond film in years, better than CR, I am seeing it again tomorrow hopefully and I reckon on second viewing it'll change to my favourite Bond film ever. Just wonderful!

1 thing bugging me though - did anyone catch Michael G's cameo? I must of missed it.

Was cut in the final cliping of the movie...he is not in

Copy paste:

Cut Scenes & Alternate Versions



- A procession of hearses and producer Michael G. Wilson's cameo as a pall bearer at the funeral service for the MI6 agents.

http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/movies/s … p;id=03347

The cameo wasn't cut, though it was a blink and you miss it moment. When M is looking at the coffins there are distressed relatives waiting in a corridor behind a door. The door is open briefly and MGW can be seen comforting a lady.

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In the scene where M and Mallory are talking M's handbag is at her feet. After their
little argument she grabs her Coat and walks to the door turning to have the last word.
Suddenly we can see her Handbag is missing.  Is this how Silva got her codes.
  "Can't you keep anything locked up "   ajb007/lol

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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The CT Analyis

ajb007/smile
Higher degree of characterisation.
Great cinematography.
Titles + Adele.
Silva's intro.
Good humour throughout.
All scenes in China.
Severine's character.
Scotland scenery.
Secrets of Bond's past.
Bond enjoying death.
Best line - Bond: 'Oh good, there's a train coming.'
Plenty of action and adrenaline.
Computer hacking.
Swearing.
Q.
Great use of London and MI6.
Underground scenes.

ajb007/crap
Bond becomes less of an icon to viewers.
I'm less decided about whether or not I see Craig as a good Bond.
M overshadows 007 and this gets confusing.
General lack of substance in the film.
Smoking.
Plot is lame and fades away through the film.
Exitement comes and goes and some parts are rather boring.
Silva is a good villian? Doesn't compare to 006 or Renard etc. Hardly seemed like he was in the film. Too camp.
Bond girls have very short roles.
Lack of establishing scenes throughout.
I agree with some that it still felt too short.
Trailer spoiled key scenes.
Average ending.

But I really enjoyed it. How everyone is describing it as the Best Bond ever is beyond me though. I think there's some dodgy marketing tactics going on. Guaranteed they are paying an office in India to flood the internet with good reviews. And they've invited the right people to the right parties beforehand.

Anyway.. no Purvis and Wade from now on !  ajb007/martini   ajb007/biggrin

7/10

Feel free to respond to any points raised by PM or replying.

Last edited by Christmas Tounes (28th Oct 2012 04:03)

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Awesome!  Fantastic!  Brilliant.

Easily better than QoS, but in my view not as good as CR.

Still gets *****

I love Daniel Craig, I love SKYFALL.
Thank god I am going again on Tuesday!

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Christmas Tounes wrote :

The CT Analyis


Higher degree of characterisation.
Great cinematography.
Titles + Adele.
Silva's intro.
Good humour throughout.
All scenes in China.
Severine's character.
Scotland scenery.
Secrets of Bond's past.
Bond enjoying death.
Best line - Bond: 'Oh good, there's a train coming.'
Plenty of action and adrenaline.
Computer hacking.
Swearing.
Q.
Great use of London and MI6.
Underground scenes.


Bond becomes less of an icon to viewers.
I'm less decided about whether or not I see Craig as a good Bond.
M overshadows 007 and this gets confusing.
General lack of substance in the film.
Smoking.
Plot is lame and fades away through the film.
Exitement comes and goes and some parts are rather boring.
Silva is a good villian? Doesn't compare to 006 or Renard etc. Hardly seemed like he was in the film. Too camp.
Bond girls have very short roles.
Lack of establishing scenes throughout.
I agree with some that it still felt too short.
Trailer spoiled key scenes.
Average ending.

But I really enjoyed it. How everyone is describing it as the Best Bond ever is beyond me though. I think there's some dodgy marketing tactics going on. Guaranteed they are paying an office in India to flood the internet with good reviews. And they've invited the right people to the right parties beforehand.

Anyway.. no Purvis and Wade from now on !     

7/10

I can agree with Your view as it Mirrors my own. "Best Bond Ever " I can't see that.
I'd say it was a solid movie 6 or 7 out of 10.
At least the Films are now ( At Last ) set up for future adventures with a more
familiar feel.
I do hope the Experiment is Over and Bond is Now Fully formed.   ajb007/lol

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Forgot to add, I think a special mention for Daniel Kleinman's  Titles
Stunning stuff.  ajb007/martini  Brilliant with Adele's song.   ajb007/biggrin

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Christmas Tounes wrote:

The CT Analyis

ajb007/smile
Higher degree of characterisation.
Great cinematography.
Titles + Adele.
Silva's intro.
Good humour throughout.
All scenes in China.
Severine's character.
Scotland scenery.
Secrets of Bond's past.
Bond enjoying death.
Best line - Bond: 'Oh good, there's a train coming.'
Plenty of action and adrenaline.
Computer hacking.
Swearing.
Q.
Great use of London and MI6.
Underground scenes.

ajb007/crap
Bond becomes less of an icon to viewers.
I'm less decided about whether or not I see Craig as a good Bond.
M overshadows 007 and this gets confusing.
General lack of substance in the film.
Smoking.
Plot is lame and fades away through the film.
Exitement comes and goes and some parts are rather boring.
Silva is a good villian? Doesn't compare to 006 or Renard etc. Hardly seemed like he was in the film. Too camp.
Bond girls have very short roles.
Lack of establishing scenes throughout.
I agree with some that it still felt too short.
Trailer spoiled key scenes.
Average ending.

But I really enjoyed it. How everyone is describing it as the Best Bond ever is beyond me though. I think there's some dodgy marketing tactics going on. Guaranteed they are paying an office in India to flood the internet with good reviews. And they've invited the right people to the right parties beforehand.

Anyway.. no Purvis and Wade from now on !  ajb007/martini   ajb007/biggrin

7/10

Feel free to respond to any points raised by PM or replying.

I too have to wholeheartedly agree with CT's analysis. I felt rather underwhelmed by SF, but perhaps that can in part be due to the fact that I am a Bond fan, not a casual movie-goer (I will explain what I mean by this in a moment.)

I mostly agree wth CT's plus and minor points;

Characterisation was good in respect to M and Severine, who gave a fantastic performance of a women caught in a villainous web purely out of fear of a worse fate. Shame they killed her off too soon.
Eve becoming Moneypenny felt jaulty - the continous denial by Harris that Eve would infact be Moneypenny leaves a bitter taste now that all along she was - infact it was almost glaringly obvious from the moment Bond entered new MI6 that she was being set up as Moneypenny so the pay-off was not just lost but felt bitter.

The film looked stunning and the PTS was exceptional  (expect the poor matting of actors faces to stunt-men!)
Kleinman's titles were striking but a little "substance over style", now I realise you may think I've got the saying the wrong way around, but what I mean is; Kleinman jittered around too many themes/motifs rather than keeping to a few and really giving the titles a single tone.

I have to say that the 'enjoying death' sequence was too short. If Bond wanted to get away and question his abilities then a little more detailing of his angst would have been nicer. Silence, a beer and some heavy drinking before heading back in 5 mins just seemed throw-away considering it is supposed to have been a few months.

The overall story, whilst interesting and unique, questioning M's and Bond's abilities and the justification for MI6 (a clever counter to question the relevance of the franchise after 50 years) also lacked real substance. Silva's personal intentions to give M some pay-back is the major focus and so makes the hard-drive data and revealing the agents feel a little lost and worthless.
The film also has the issue with the audience often being left ten paces behind Bond. In most Bond films you remain at least in the same level of knowledge as Bond, or a little ahead (to create the tension of expecting before Bond knows himself proving a pay-off when Bond manages to out-do the situation). However, SF keeps the audience almost at odds as to what exactly where supposed to expect - this isn't helped by the hard-drive agent data being skimmed over and a lot of the explanatory information seems missing. Why was Patrice assasinating the man with Severine? Also, its not been mentioned overtly so far, what was with those Dragons? This part really ruined the tone of the film in my view - Comodo Dragons aren't likely to attack and drag a man to his death and it cheapened an otherwise tense sequence.

The ending. Now, credit for exploring Bond's past but it lacks something. Bond acknowledges that M must have known about his past but very little is done to explore this. I also feel that blowing it up in two minutes flat felt very unexciting. It would have been nice for Bond to atleast reminisce slightly or perhaps take a little more heart to its destruction (he cared more about his DB5). I also feel that the preist's hole was a bit of a heavy-handed tool to eliviate escape issues. Its a shame too that it wasn't Bond who revealed his parents grave which would have provided a stronger emotional link between Bond and the house.

Now, my disappointment at SF (though its still a good film and deserves a 7-8 out of 10) may be due to the fact I'm a Bond fan, not an average cinema-goer. I am already aware of Bond's parents deaths, his Scottish heritance, that 'M' derived from surnames (Mallory becoming M seemed a given from day one), and I already knew Skyfall was the name of his ancestral home, which perhaps dampens the plot reveals - whereas a cinema-goer with no prior knowledge of these 'Bond-centric' elements would be more suprised and thus enjoy the secrets. (though my girlfriend, who is not a Bond fan and as suprising as it may sound has never seen a Bond film in its entirety, also felt the film was a little flat and despite suprise at the secrets/twists did not feel that SF was exceptional).

SF was a good film, executed very well indeed, but I still don't seem to be able to grasp the critically worth it has received as 'the best Bond film yet' - SF seems flawed in places and fades between trying to be modern and intelectually clever (ala The Dark Knight) and a traditional Bond film, and I never think it truely combines the two. Infact the film often falls foul of feeling like its trying to be too clever for its own good.

Nobody Writes Threads Better.

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I've been thinking, In the scene where Silva Flirts with Bond and Bond answers
"What makes you think It would be my first time "
Was that Girl In the south China Sea really a LadyBoy   ajb007/lol

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Just back from it, excellent , some very nice touches including the appearance of the Wildcats ,the RNs future small ship helicopter so keeping it current or slightly ahead of time.

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When he says about it not being his first time, I understood it as a reference to being tied to a chair by Le Chiffre. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I took it.

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I don't no whether I never posted this or if it has been posted and deleted, anyway I read a great review of Skyfall this morning (not mine though) I don't get to see it until this week, Maybe Wednesday.

Here is the link to the review below.

http://movie-blogger.com/content/bond-dead-0

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Saw it again. Still brilliant.

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