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Topic: Was Silva a wasted oppurtunity

Silva was a great villain but I think they could of taken the character in a whole different direction, the possible re-introduction of one Ernst Stavro Blofeld. I know it's been discussed to death, and I am certainly not saying this is what they SHOULD have done but I am saying that if they were to reintroduce the character then this would of been how I would want them to do it.

Imagine the scene where Silva is being held in a glass prison cell in MI6's temporary headquarters, we have already learned that he is a figure from M's past, an ex-agent, abandoned by M and presumed dead, then M walk's in with Bond to meet him face to face,  then when Silva gets upset and tells M to use his real name she utters. "...Ernst..." and as well as removing his false teeth he pulls off his hair that we know now is a wig then rubs his face smearing off make-up that reveals a scar across his eye and it turns out rather than cyanide he was tortured of burnt or something that resulted in his appearance.

I just think that it would of been a great introduction and back-story to a familiar character. I loved Silva as a villain and I understand that it is too late for any of this but I want to know what other people think about this or if they have any other opinions on whether or not Silva could of been changed/improved Blofeld or otherwise.

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An interesting idea! If something like that was to happen in the future i'd probably be a big fan of it but in the case of Silva I don't like the sound of it too much. If there was none of the ex-agent thing and he'd been played off as an enemy of Bond as opposed to M then I suppose it could have worked. I don't think Blofeld would have fitted into the Skyfall story very well though. But a reveal like this in a more suitable plot line would be cool!  ajb007/martini

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imagine if they had kept mathis,, and silva was an enemy rival of mathis.or mathis had been his mentor.

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Yep, Mathis is a better example of a 'wasted opportunity' if you ask me.

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LastRatStanding wrote:

An interesting idea! If something like that was to happen in the future i'd probably be a big fan of it but in the case of Silva I don't like the sound of it too much. If there was none of the ex-agent thing and he'd been played off as an enemy of Bond as opposed to M then I suppose it could have worked. I don't think Blofeld would have fitted into the Skyfall story very well though. But a reveal like this in a more suitable plot line would be cool!  ajb007/martini

I see what you are saying, my theory/idea would of obviously given Blofeld an entirely new backstory/identity for the new age of Bond, I imagine if this had happened then instead of him dying at the end of the film at the hands of Bond, as he is about to kill M, Bond could of intervened by knocking Silva out for a few moments, then we see Bond watching M die, all the while Silva/Blofeld awakens, witnesses this and at the same time concedes defeat and slips away unnoticed and this could of paved the way for Blofeld swearing revenge on Bond for his years of planning to kill M by his own hands and likewise with Bond wanting revenge for M's death thus making them sworn enemies.

Just thoughts of course. I was perfectly happy with how Skyfall ended, just want to see more of Javier Bardem!

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LastRatStanding wrote:

Yep, Mathis is a better example of a 'wasted opportunity' if you ask me.


very wasted. i did enjoy the scene in QoS when bond went to visit, a good rapour could have been built in future films, mathis could ! have been put in place instead of kincade,

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scottmu65 wrote:
LastRatStanding wrote:

An interesting idea! If something like that was to happen in the future i'd probably be a big fan of it but in the case of Silva I don't like the sound of it too much. If there was none of the ex-agent thing and he'd been played off as an enemy of Bond as opposed to M then I suppose it could have worked. I don't think Blofeld would have fitted into the Skyfall story very well though. But a reveal like this in a more suitable plot line would be cool!  ajb007/martini

I see what you are saying, my theory/idea would of obviously given Blofeld an entirely new backstory/identity for the new age of Bond, I imagine if this had happened then instead of him dying at the end of the film at the hands of Bond, as he is about to kill M, Bond could of intervened by knocking Silva out for a few moments, then we see Bond watching M die, all the while Silva/Blofeld awakens, witnesses this and at the same time concedes defeat and slips away unnoticed and this could of paved the way for Blofeld swearing revenge on Bond for his years of planning to kill M by his own hands and likewise with Bond wanting revenge for M's death thus making them sworn enemies.

Just thoughts of course. I was perfectly happy with how Skyfall ended, just want to see more of Javier Bardem!

When you say 'paved the way for Blofeld swearing revenge' do you mean as a prelude to the 60's Bonds or for future Bonds? I can never tell what peoples views are on the reboot/timeline/craig era are because everyone differs  ajb007/insane  Personally I'm up for Blofeld returning as the same character he was in the 60's but more modern and with disregard to the previous missions he was involved in (so no references to the past). However if a Bond film came out and in the PTS we seen a flash back of Tracy's death and then in the film Blofeld was discovered to be alive and Bond tracks him down for revenge..I think i'd explode with excitement. But another part of me is glad that he's been out of the series so long so I don't know! I'd be open minded about his return, but there is potential for it to go oh so wrong  ajb007/crap

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LastRatStanding wrote:
scottmu65 wrote:
LastRatStanding wrote:

An interesting idea! If something like that was to happen in the future i'd probably be a big fan of it but in the case of Silva I don't like the sound of it too much. If there was none of the ex-agent thing and he'd been played off as an enemy of Bond as opposed to M then I suppose it could have worked. I don't think Blofeld would have fitted into the Skyfall story very well though. But a reveal like this in a more suitable plot line would be cool!  ajb007/martini

I see what you are saying, my theory/idea would of obviously given Blofeld an entirely new backstory/identity for the new age of Bond, I imagine if this had happened then instead of him dying at the end of the film at the hands of Bond, as he is about to kill M, Bond could of intervened by knocking Silva out for a few moments, then we see Bond watching M die, all the while Silva/Blofeld awakens, witnesses this and at the same time concedes defeat and slips away unnoticed and this could of paved the way for Blofeld swearing revenge on Bond for his years of planning to kill M by his own hands and likewise with Bond wanting revenge for M's death thus making them sworn enemies.

Just thoughts of course. I was perfectly happy with how Skyfall ended, just want to see more of Javier Bardem!

When you say 'paved the way for Blofeld swearing revenge' do you mean as a prelude to the 60's Bonds or for future Bonds? I can never tell what peoples views are on the reboot/timeline/craig era are because everyone differs  ajb007/insane  Personally I'm up for Blofeld returning as the same character he was in the 60's but more modern and with disregard to the previous missions he was involved in (so no references to the past). However if a Bond film came out and in the PTS we seen a flash back of Tracy's death and then in the film Blofeld was discovered to be alive and Bond tracks him down for revenge..I think i'd explode with excitement. But another part of me is glad that he's been out of the series so long so I don't know! I'd be open minded about his return, but there is potential for it to go oh so wrong  ajb007/crap

I don't view the reboot series as prequels to any of the other films or stories, that 'timeline' (if you can call it that) ended after Die Another Day. The reboot is completely seperate.

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scottmu65 wrote:

I don't view the reboot series as prequels to any of the other films or stories, that 'timeline' (if you can call it that) ended after Die Another Day. The reboot is completely seperate.

In that case a return of Blofeld, or at least a recurring 'larger than life' villain would be more than welcome  ajb007/biggrin.

Back on topic though, I think they pretty much hit the nail on the head with Silva. He got a lot of praise character wise and Bardem got a lot of praise for his portrayal. There are many villains in the series who could be reoccuring and it would work. Mr. White for example I think would have made a better Blofeld than Silva.

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Ernst Stavro Blofeld is done to death. Non more of this frankly boriong Bondian character - he was much better developed in the novels.

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SILHOUETTE MAN wrote:

Ernst Stavro Blofeld is done to death. Non more of this frankly boriong Bondian character - he was much better developed in the novels.

I sort of agree with what you are saying, there are very few Blofeld portrayals that I actually like.

But they could do him justice this time?  ajb007/bond Maybe.. Either way i don't see it happening, Austin Powers put the last nail in the coffin really  ajb007/lol But I'd be open to the idea!

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I think you could do a modern Blofeld. Lose the Cat and the nehru suits.
With the series "Sherlock"  they did a great job at giving the audience a
very modern Moriarty.  ajb007/martini

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I think you could do a modern Blofeld. Lose the Cat and the nehru suits.
With the series "Sherlock"  they did a great job at giving the audience a
very modern Moriarty.  ajb007/martini

Excellent point. Although I think the cat is a must...

Seriously though I just want to see more Javier Bardem in Bond, terrific performance!

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No, he wasn't a wasted opportunity at all. What he was was one of the best villains we've had in a Bond film this side of 1997. End of the Skyfall slagging - I've had enough of it.  ajb007/crap

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SILHOUETTE MAN wrote:

No, her wasn't a wasted opportunity at all. What he was was one of the best villains we've had in a Bond film this side of 1997. End of the Skyfall slagging - I've had enough of it.  ajb007/crap

nobody is slagging Skyfall, and I did say at the beginning that Silva was a great villain and the point was that Silva was just an alias so I thought it would be an interesting idea if the man behind Silva was actually an updated Blofeld, plus that way we get to see more of Javier Bardem in the Bond universe.

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scottmu65 wrote:
SILHOUETTE MAN wrote:

No, her wasn't a wasted opportunity at all. What he was was one of the best villains we've had in a Bond film this side of 1997. End of the Skyfall slagging - I've had enough of it.  ajb007/crap

nobody is slagging Skyfall, and I did say at the beginning that Silva was a great villain and the point was that Silva was just an alias so I thought it would be an interesting idea if the man behind Silva was actually an updated Blofeld, plus that way we get to see more of Javier Bardem in the Bond universe.

Yes, but Silva's dead, as is Blofeld. Why not just create new characters and make it more interesting. That's my point.  ajb007/rolleyes

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I'm afraid my opinion on this matter is rather fixed: Blofeld is dead. Get over it! It would be great to have a new organisation like SPECTRE, or a new recurring villain like Blofeld, but the important thing is it should be new!

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Jedi Master wrote:

I'm afraid my opinion on this matter is rather fixed: Blofeld is dead. Get over it! It would be great to have a new organisation like SPECTRE, or a new recurring villain like Blofeld, but the important thing is it should be new!

Exactly, Jedi. Well said. i'm in total agreement - Blofeld is a mere pipe dream that should have been done much better than he was in the original classic Bond films.

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Wow, very interesting topic!

It seems one of the largest challenges for the producers/writers at this point, is, because there is becoming less and less a sense of chronology and order of events, how do you keep the series "going", but without adding anything to the plot that could complicate or limit the plots of future movies.

The series seems to be heading to the era of the Sean Connery movies, (Mallory's office is based on Bernard Lee's, and we don't have a sense of how old/experienced Bond is in the glory of the Sean Connery era.

If Silva was to be a prelude to Blofeld, that's saying that the events in Skyfall took place before the Sean Connery movies.

Unlike most people, I didn't care so much for Silva. I think other villians from past movies are more of a wasted opportunity. Alec Trevelyn for example - one of my favourite characters in the series, could have appeared in Skyfall, or other films (assuming that the events occur before Goldeneye), as an ally to Bond on another mission (something comparable to the botched chase scene in Madagascar in CR, rather than "carter").

Overall, I just think Silva is "memorable" or "iconic" enough to keep alive/as a prelude to a villain in the future.

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Using Blofeld and/or SPECTRE would invite another round of litigation, this time from McClory's Estate.

Better to let sleeping dogs lie.

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I think Eon after many court cases now own the rights to Blofelf and SPECTRE.
I only hope they would stick with Quantum.

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Sony sold (or rather swapped) its James Bond rights to  MGM, but McClory always insisted that he didn't assign all of his rights to Sony.

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I was kind of hoping that Quantum was being touted as this new rebooted series' SPECTRE and I would like to see them return to it but for me, it won't be a total disappointment if they don't.

As for the topic, I really think Silva was a great addition to the villain list of James Bond. Maybe not as memorable as some of the others but still up there with them.

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The problem I had with Silva was that he basically was a redux of Heath Ledger's Joker, though with even less to do.  A lot of what Silva does is deliver lines while standing around (or clutching a ladder or sitting in a jail cell.)  I don't think the villain was all that interesting so much as Javier Bardem played him with more zeal than he might otherwise have received.

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I've only just watched Skyfall. And I feel sorry for Silva, really.

Remember M said orphans make the best agents? Silva was probably an orphan too, wasn't he? And he really did see M as his 'mother'. Which I think, is why he wanted her to say his name - a sign of ownership or adoption. It must have broke his heart, when she refused. And that she has already written him off as dead (name engraved on the memorial wall).

In the end, he wanted to die along with her too.

Sigh... Sad sad sad...