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Gassy Man wrote:
chrisisall wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

had to hire an assassin to steal a hard drive he could have just hacked into

It was to set all the stuff into play- the shooting of Bond, his fake demise, his resurrection and all that. Silva was gifted.
And probably a mutant.

Of course, but it's still lazy screenwriting because it doesn't make much sense.  It would have made more sense if rather than steal a piece of hardware, Patrice simply had knowledge in his head.   Then they couldn't just go and kill him outright.  But that's what I mean about Logan being underwhelming.   

My favorite bit is when Bond is right next to Patrice in the SUV, and rather than take a shot, he banters with Moneypenny and then for some reason just steers the Range Rover into the other car to knock it off the road.  1. For an assassin, Bond doesn't seem all that interested in killing Patrice.  That certainly would have been the easiest way to stop him and, if necessary, recover the hard drive. 

But, then, we're supposed to believe that Silva is so doggone clever, that he is able to set into motion his evil plan exactly because Patrice is able to escape from Bond.  2. Oh, wait, he could have accomplished the same thing by just hacking into the hard drive . . . which apparently was more beyond his means than getting into MI:6's network.


1. Ordinarliy it's better to capture bad guys than kill them because then you can question them, which is much more difficult to do when they're dead.

2. Silva wasn't able to hack into MI:6's network until after Q downloaded the hard drive.

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You also can't hack into a laptop that isn't connected to anything.

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Asp9mm wrote:

You also can't hack into a laptop that isn't connected to anything.

Don't be so sure.... ajb007/shifty

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

chrisisall wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:

You also can't hack into a laptop that isn't connected to anything.

Don't be so sure.... ajb007/shifty

I knew it was you  ajb007/amazed

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You can hack CARS now, for gosh sake. A device of any kind need only be powered up, and there are excptions there too...

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Just store you photos and bank details with Apple, it will
Soon get out !  ajb007/lol

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Gala Brand wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:
chrisisall wrote:

It was to set all the stuff into play- the shooting of Bond, his fake demise, his resurrection and all that. Silva was gifted.
And probably a mutant.

Of course, but it's still lazy screenwriting because it doesn't make much sense.  It would have made more sense if rather than steal a piece of hardware, Patrice simply had knowledge in his head.   Then they couldn't just go and kill him outright.  But that's what I mean about Logan being underwhelming.   

My favorite bit is when Bond is right next to Patrice in the SUV, and rather than take a shot, he banters with Moneypenny and then for some reason just steers the Range Rover into the other car to knock it off the road.  1. For an assassin, Bond doesn't seem all that interested in killing Patrice.  That certainly would have been the easiest way to stop him and, if necessary, recover the hard drive. 

But, then, we're supposed to believe that Silva is so doggone clever, that he is able to set into motion his evil plan exactly because Patrice is able to escape from Bond.  2. Oh, wait, he could have accomplished the same thing by just hacking into the hard drive . . . which apparently was more beyond his means than getting into MI:6's network.


1. Ordinarliy it's better to capture bad guys than kill them because then you can question them, which is much more difficult to do when they're dead.

2. Silva wasn't able to hack into MI:6's network until after Q downloaded the hard drive.

And yet M was perfectly contented to allow Moneypenny to shoot Silva.  It doesn't make much sense, particularly as Bond seems to waffle between killing Patrice and taking him prisoner.  Apparently, the British Secret Service is also able to track Patrice to the degree that they know what flight he will be on, and so forth, but not who is working for or whatever they might want him alive to question.  Again, the writing makes the technology stunningly accurate one moment and completely vague and random the next.

Silva was able to get into M's laptop without any problem just a few scenes later, and he used his talents to cause explosions.

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Gassy Man wrote:

Apparently, the British Secret Service is also able to track Patrice to the degree that they know what flight he will be on, and so forth, but not who is working for.....

Didn't that information come from the Americans ? So, apparently, the British Secret Service weren't able to do that  ajb007/wink

I really don't like it when people get basics wrong like this to try and prove their point  ajb007/mad

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Gassy Man wrote:
Gala Brand wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

Of course, but it's still lazy screenwriting because it doesn't make much sense.  It would have made more sense if rather than steal a piece of hardware, Patrice simply had knowledge in his head.   Then they couldn't just go and kill him outright.  But that's what I mean about Logan being underwhelming.   

My favorite bit is when Bond is right next to Patrice in the SUV, and rather than take a shot, he banters with Moneypenny and then for some reason just steers the Range Rover into the other car to knock it off the road.  1. For an assassin, Bond doesn't seem all that interested in killing Patrice.  That certainly would have been the easiest way to stop him and, if necessary, recover the hard drive. 

But, then, we're supposed to believe that Silva is so doggone clever, that he is able to set into motion his evil plan exactly because Patrice is able to escape from Bond.  2. Oh, wait, he could have accomplished the same thing by just hacking into the hard drive . . . which apparently was more beyond his means than getting into MI:6's network.


1. Ordinarliy it's better to capture bad guys than kill them because then you can question them, which is much more difficult to do when they're dead.

2. Silva wasn't able to hack into MI:6's network until after Q downloaded the hard drive.

And yet M was perfectly contented to allow Moneypenny to shoot Silva.  It doesn't make much sense, particularly as Bond seems to waffle between killing Patrice and taking him prisoner.  Apparently, the British Secret Service is also able to track Patrice to the degree that they know what flight he will be on, and so forth, but not who is working for or whatever they might want him alive to question.  Again, the writing makes the technology stunningly accurate one moment and completely vague and random the next.

Silva was able to get into M's laptop without any problem just a few scenes later, and he used his talents to cause explosions.

1. Moneypenny tried to shoot Patrice but hit Bond.  Not aware that she also hit Silva.

2. M's laptop is not the same as MI-6's servers.

3. London Public Works is not the same as MI-6.

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Sir Miles wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

Apparently, the British Secret Service is also able to track Patrice to the degree that they know what flight he will be on, and so forth, but not who is working for.....

Didn't that information come from the Americans ? So, apparently, the British Secret Service weren't able to do that  ajb007/wink

I really don't like it when people get basics wrong like this to try and prove their point  ajb007/mad

But . . . they still got it, didn't they?  How does that invalidate my point?

I also still don't see how this invalidates the overall point that the script for Skyfall is not that good.

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Re: Another Skyfall Mistake.

Gala Brand wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:
Gala Brand wrote:

1. Ordinarliy it's better to capture bad guys than kill them because then you can question them, which is much more difficult to do when they're dead.

2. Silva wasn't able to hack into MI:6's network until after Q downloaded the hard drive.

And yet M was perfectly contented to allow Moneypenny to shoot Silva.  It doesn't make much sense, particularly as Bond seems to waffle between killing Patrice and taking him prisoner.  Apparently, the British Secret Service is also able to track Patrice to the degree that they know what flight he will be on, and so forth, but not who is working for or whatever they might want him alive to question.  Again, the writing makes the technology stunningly accurate one moment and completely vague and random the next.

Silva was able to get into M's laptop without any problem just a few scenes later, and he used his talents to cause explosions.

1. Moneypenny tried to shoot Patrice but hit Bond.  Not aware that she also hit Silva.

2. M's laptop is not the same as MI-6's servers.

3. London Public Works is not the same as MI-6.

1)  Yeah, that's obviously a typo since I referenced Patrice in the very next sentence.  Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that the policy on killing Patrice or taking him prisoner seems to change at any moment in that scene.

2)  Yeah, but people are saying that laptops can't be hacked . . . even though Silva clearly hacks M's laptop.  If he's that gifted, why can't he hack the one Patrice stole the hard drive from?

3)  So, you're saying that Silva didn't hack into the MI:6 safety protocols but just the gas company's?  Wow, it's good to know all of any high-security installation can be blown up simply by going through a utility company.

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Not to intrude into private grief ......  ajb007/lol

Given that Blofeld could fund his own private space programme in YOLT
You'd wonder why he'd bother with crime if he had that sort of money.  ajb007/lol
But when watching the film ..... I don't care, it's Bond film logic.  ajb007/martini
In many ways if you dislike a film, you'll pick at it. Where as if if you like it
You'll be very forgiving.  ajb007/biggrin
I used to cut QOS to bits, until After many viewings, I began to warm to it and
Somehow, all those little niggles, just fade away.  ajb007/lol
  So has the film changed, or I.   ( that's a bit deep )  ajb007/lol

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Well, Blofeld was being bankrolled by China rather than using his own money. But  most films fall apart if analysed too closely- there's a lot of examples out there, and a good few articles at such sites as "Cracked".

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I think that " being bankrolled " by the Chinese story, was just a tax
Dodge from Blofeld.  ajb007/lol
Not just individual films but whole genres of films have " mistakes" that
Have to be put in to stick to the rules of the genre  ajb007/biggrin  for instance, in
Horror films the victim has to run upstairs ! No matter how fast you run,
The slow walking killer will always catch up with you  ajb007/lol .
  Happily I'm one of those dumb bast*rds  who buys a big popcorn with
An even bigger Coke ! And sits in the cinema to be taken off to another
World for a few hours.  ajb007/cheers  ( thinking isn't one of my strong points )  ajb007/lol

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Gassy Man wrote:
Gala Brand wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

And yet M was perfectly contented to allow Moneypenny to shoot Silva.  It doesn't make much sense, particularly as Bond seems to waffle between killing Patrice and taking him prisoner.  Apparently, the British Secret Service is also able to track Patrice to the degree that they know what flight he will be on, and so forth, but not who is working for or whatever they might want him alive to question.  Again, the writing makes the technology stunningly accurate one moment and completely vague and random the next.

Silva was able to get into M's laptop without any problem just a few scenes later, and he used his talents to cause explosions.

1. Moneypenny tried to shoot Patrice but hit Bond.  Not aware that she also hit Silva.

2. M's laptop is not the same as MI-6's servers.

3. London Public Works is not the same as MI-6.

1)  Yeah, that's obviously a typo since I referenced Patrice in the very next sentence.  Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that the policy on killing Patrice or taking him prisoner seems to change at any moment in that scene.

2)  Yeah, but people are saying that laptops can't be hacked . . . even though Silva clearly hacks M's laptop.  If he's that gifted, why can't he hack the one Patrice stole the hard drive from?

3)  So, you're saying that Silva didn't hack into the MI:6 safety protocols but just the gas company's?  Wow, it's good to know all of any high-security installation can be blown up simply by going through a utility company.


Obviously, a virus was implanted in M's laptop.  I believe it happened when Bond "borrowed" it and visited some porn websites.  He's always using her computers without asking her.

See, reasonable explanation for everything.

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Even Master Criminals need the Money  ajb007/crap

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Do you people really think there was only one copy of the list and that list was in an apartment in Istambul? Is that even remotely likely  ajb007/confused
You miss the obvious here: M isn't desperate to get the list back since without it the MI6 Will forget the names and assignments  of all its undercover agents  ajb007/lol . She wants it back because the list must never get in the hands of Britain's enemies! If Patrice was shot by Eve or thrown off the train by Bond I guess the list wouldn't be completely safe, but it's a lot better than Patrice getting away with it. If the list ended up in the river I guess MI6 would search  for it later. Turkey is after all a NATO member.

It's ironic reading all the posts about "dumbed down scripts" when it is blindingly obvious that MI6 isn't worried about losing the list, they are worried about enemies gaining it.

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Number24 wrote:

Do you people really think there was only one copy of the list and that list was in an apartment in Istambul? Is that even remotely likely  ajb007/confused
You miss the obvious here: M isn't desperate to get the list back since without it the MI6 Will forget the names and assignments  of all its undercover agents  ajb007/lol . She wants it back because the list must never get in the hands of Britain's enemies! If Patrice was shot by Eve or thrown off the train by Bond I guess the list wouldn't be completely safe, but it's a lot better than Patrice getting away with it. If the list ended up in the river I guess MI6 would search  for it later. Turkey is after all a NATO member.

It's ironic reading all the posts about "dumbed down scripts" when it is blindingly obvious that MI6 isn't worried about losing the list, they are worried about enemies gaining it.

Why did I restart this old thread you may ask? I ask myself the same question. Imust have clicked on the wrong thread and started Reading, not noticing the topic (when was the last time I was on the Skyfall topic?) or the dates on the posts. Ignore or reply., it's up to you, but I wasn't lurking in old threads.  ajb007/crap

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I easny lurking !  that's an old excuse  ajb007/lol

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Well, instead of gawping, why didn't Eve just pull the trigger again and take out Patrice when he was alone on the train roof??

Also, when Bond swings the bucket of the digger around, why does he do it so that the cab is exposed for a lot longer than would be the case if he's have gone anti-clockwise, with the bucket and arm covering the cab?

Hey, ho!

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Eve not shooting again ? I suppose you could put that down to shock - she had just shot James Bond !

Your second point makes far too much sense  ajb007/lol

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Now, I'm not defending the movie but my take would be....

Eve was so shocked at killing 007, ( she was still in training)
And.
Bond hadn't been in a digger since CR, so it might have  taken him a while
To get used to the controls. They're  probably on the other side in Turkey.  ajb007/lol

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I  don't know if this counts as duming down, but many things I was taught
As a kid, many younger people don't seem to know.  Some examples

In a shop recently the assistant said she would need her calculator to work
Out the vat.  I told her the vat would be( as I'd worked it out in my head)
She looked at me as if I was Stephen Hawkin  ajb007/biggrin
( 10% + 5% + 2.5% = 17.5%,  it's very easy, even for Me )  ajb007/lol

During a recent thunder storm, I was able to tell a few younger friends that the storm
Was 10 miles away, then that it was about 7.5 miles etc.None of them knew about counting seconds,  sound travels at around 2.5 seconds a mile. So you can roughly work out
How far away it is and its direction.  ajb007/lol

Now it's not that I'm smart ( I think I've proven, I'm not over my many posts) but this
Is all basic stuff I remember from school outings and field trips.  ajb007/lol
Then again with our crazy health and safety laws, perhaps kids don't get the
Opportunities we older one's did for getting outside.  ajb007/lol

VAT's been 20% for years now. Either that, or I need a new accountant...  ajb007/lol

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ajb007/lol  I've met a few, who couldn't work out 20% either  ajb007/wink

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Bond hadn't been in a digger since CR, so it might have  taken him a while
To get used to the controls. They're  probably on the other side in Turkey.  ajb007/lol

1) Defending that script would be a Thankless tak Pussy. "Put out that light!!"
2) Naomie Harris is one of the best things to happen to Bond, a worthy addition to the Moneypenny hall of fame, she's marvellous!
3) Re Turkey, is that a JCB? Juice, Cranberries and Basting?   ajb007/biggrin

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