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MilleniumForce wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

Many seem to hate the theme song to Octopussy ajb007/crap  but I like it.  ajb007/smile

I like it. I wouldn't listen to it if it wasn't part of the franchise, but it's a good little Bond song.

I can't listen to this song now without imagining Mark Wahlberg sining it.

Have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?"

" I don't listen to hip hop!"

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ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol
Well Mark is a talented guy.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

I think the title Octopussy f***ed it over because no one in their right mind would make a song called that, so they had to go a safer route.

Very true, and not far from John Barry's  own thoughts when advising Tim Rice.

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# As an agent he not fussy, he go for any sort of ........
Something tastefully, along those lines.  ajb007/wink

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ajb007/lol

1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger

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I honestly can't decide which is Moore's best Bond... FYEO or OP...
Fake bubbles vs. a Tarzan yell....
Okay, back to OP! ajb007/martini  ajb007/lol

Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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Thunderpussy wrote:

# As an agent he not fussy, he go for any sort of ........
Something tastefully, along those lines.  ajb007/wink

Have you seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl_QWkvtCXI

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ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol
Very funny,  " They don't like to take chances. They've worked with John Barry too long "  ajb007/lol

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OP is a great watch and a solid 6 in my rankings. There's not much I don't like about it. Location work like all Glen films is not as great as others in the series but it's a hoot throughout.

The serious and humorous bits clash but I like the mix, you get a bit of both.

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Barbel wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

# As an agent he not fussy, he go for any sort of ........
Something tastefully, along those lines.  ajb007/wink

Have you seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl_QWkvtCXI

ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  Excellent, never seen that before  ajb007/cheers

Hey Barbel, maybe you could use your musical skills to produce lyrics from some of the other Bond films in the style of Stanley Rogers

One of us smells like a tart's handkerchief.

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Just saw this yesterday. Such a great, underrated film, one of my all time high favorites of the series ajb007/lol  ajb007/martini

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Pros:
- It's a very colourful looking film; India looks great.
- I enjoyed the circus- not so much Bond dressing up as a clown but I think it adds something different; a sort of counter-suspense to the bomb's coutdown.
- Louis Jourdan is a good villain and I really liked Stephen Berkoff as a villain as well. He isn't the most memorable outside of the film but in what is a mainly comic film, he adds a degree of politics.
- I liked the Faberge egg; added some glamour to the plot although that was soon done away with!
- Loved Octopussy's girls fighting the men

Cons:
- Numerous cringe-moments which you have to remind yourself were 'part of the era'
- I think they could have had some Indian actresses in a more visible role; it's not like the film is set in Colonial India.
- Hollywood racism at its laziest as the very obviously French Louis Jourdan is playing an Indian man.
- I find the settings a bit muddled; India didn't seem to fit naturally as a location.
- Very dated theme song that has nothing to do with the film. Seeing as it's predominantly comic, I feel that a 'bigger' song was needed.
- Roger Moore looks ancient; he's barely getting away with his romancing of the girls here. The comedy does conceal the feebleness of his action seeing as it's done for comic effect; the worst parts in For Your Eyes Only was when he was doing something simple like running, his age showed.

The film has its moments but then it also has...moments. Moore is playing to his strengths as a clown but the film doesn't come together as nicely as some of the others.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

All Time High is a good song. 

I think the title Octopussy f***ed it over because no one in their right mind would make a song called that, so they had to go a safer route.

Obviously you couldn't have a song called Octopussy but you could have had a character song- lots of opportunities for imagery, her girls, her businesses...something like that would have helped it be more memorable rather than a generic song that could have been used on many of the Bond films.

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Lady Ice wrote:

Pros:
- It's a very colourful looking film; India looks great.
- I enjoyed the circus- not so much Bond dressing up as a clown but I think it adds something different; a sort of counter-suspense to the bomb's coutdown.
- Louis Jourdan is a good villain and I really liked Stephen Berkoff as a villain as well. He isn't the most memorable outside of the film but in what is a mainly comic film, he adds a degree of politics.
- I liked the Faberge egg; added some glamour to the plot although that was soon done away with!
- Loved Octopussy's girls fighting the men

Cons:
- Numerous cringe-moments which you have to remind yourself were 'part of the era'
- I think they could have had some Indian actresses in a more visible role; it's not like the film is set in Colonial India.
- Hollywood racism at its laziest as the very obviously French Louis Jourdan is playing an Indian man.
- I find the settings a bit muddled; India didn't seem to fit naturally as a location.
- Very dated theme song that has nothing to do with the film. Seeing as it's predominantly comic, I feel that a 'bigger' song was needed.
- Roger Moore looks ancient; he's barely getting away with his romancing of the girls here. The comedy does conceal the feebleness of his action seeing as it's done for comic effect; the worst parts in For Your Eyes Only was when he was doing something simple like running, his age showed.

The film has its moments but then it also has...moments. Moore is playing to his strengths as a clown but the film doesn't come together as nicely as some of the others.

I get the impression from this that you don't remember many things in the film. The movie is certainly not "predominantly comic". Do you mean "Moore is playing to his strengths as a clown" literally? He's dressed as a clown, but he's not doing his usual clowning around in his clown costume. Apart from the gorilla suit, there's nothing comic at all about the German scenes. The whole German setting shows Moore portraying Bond at his most serious and his most sincere.

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Pros - Everything except the Tarzan yell

Cons - The Tarzan yell

1 - Lald, 2 - Ltk, 3 - Avtak, 4 - Op, 5 - Dn, 6 - Fyeo, 7 - Tswlm, 8 - Daf, 9 - Sf, 10 - Ohmss, 11 - Yolt, 12 - Ge, 13 - Tld, 14 - Mr, 15 - Gf, 16 - Tb, 17 - Tmwtgg, 18 - Sp, 19 - Tnd, 20 - Dad, 21 - Twine, 22 - Frwl, 23 - Cr, 24 - Qos

1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby

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Jarvio wrote:

Pros - Everything except the Tarzan yell

Cons - The Tarzan yell

I loved the "SITTT!" I could imagine Connery or Dalton or Brosnan selling it just as well. ajb007/lol

Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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Matt S wrote:

I get the impression from this that you don't remember many things in the film. The movie is certainly not "predominantly comic". Do you mean "Moore is playing to his strengths as a clown" literally? He's dressed as a clown, but he's not doing his usual clowning around in his clown costume. Apart from the gorilla suit, there's nothing comic at all about the German scenes. The whole German setting shows Moore portraying Bond at his most serious and his most sincere.

The film is still full of quips and not sardonic humour quips, just plain jokes. By 'playing to his strengths as a clown', I mean that he uses comedy and charm to distract from the fact that he looks old; because we don't need to believe he's a plausible action-man spy, you can buy him as a fantasy figure. The German scenes show Bond's sincerity as a patriot but I wouldn't say that they're serious in the sense of realistic or that they make him more plausible.

The clearly jokey elements (saying 'sit' to the tiger as a parody of Barbara Woodhouse; Octopussy's name; casting French Louis Jourdan as Afghan (made a mistake in my original post!) but with no attempt to conceal his French accent) overshadow the political German setting. It's an odd mixture- interesting but I think that it only makes sense as a Bond film, whereas many of the other films could stand as films on their own.

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Octopussy was a pivotal film in the Bond series, which is not always appreciated thirty years later. Rather than just being another regular entry, it had to compete with Never Say Never Again and at the time this was perceived as a major threat- Sean Connery was returning to the role of James Bond, and the general opinion was that he would wipe the floor with Roger Moore.
Now, as we know this didn't happen. OP did beat NSNA at the box office, although both made gazillions of money. This partly explains why OP hedges its bets by being at once serious and funny, why it mostly follows FYEO's more grounded thrust while throwing in MR-style humour, and why it uses one of the most trusted Bond formulas so rigidly (the Faberge egg = gold in GF = diamonds in DAF leading 007 to a much bigger threat).
OP had the advantage of being able to use the regular home team (Q, Moneypenny), the gunbarrel and Bond Theme, etc, and proved that audiences enjoyed things the way they were. Its success was indisputable and caused AVTAK to be made by the same team.

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Hey, Barbel, that's very well put!  ajb007/cheers

Wish that you could do a similar review on the Dalton movies - and don't expect me to agree with it ajb007/shifty

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Thank you, Higgins.  ajb007/cheers

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Just watched this and I didn't think this could happen but my opinion on it has improved so that after 13 films OP sits at the top! Therefore it's looking likely to sit at number 2 after TLD when I finish my Bondathon.

Pros - Everything except...
Cons - The lines "That's my little Octopussy", Khan's "Octopussy....Octopussy", the title song, and I don't know what the plot is

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Bondage007 wrote:

I don't know what the plot is

Did you miss the scene where General Orlov explains his plan?

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Bondage007 wrote:

Just watched this and I didn't think this could happen but my opinion on it has improved so that after 13 films OP sits at the top! Therefore it's looking likely to sit at number 2 after TLD when I finish my Bondathon.

Pros - Everything except...
Cons - The lines "That's my little Octopussy", Khan's "Octopussy....Octopussy", the title song, and I don't know what the plot is


The mark of a true Bond fan is enjoying the story for what is is. A jewellry heist mixed with nuclear weapons. Pretty straight forward...

1. For Your Eyes Only      2. The Living Daylights    3 From Russia with Love  4. Casino Royale  5. OHMSS  6. Skyfall

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They basically just updated the story, Jewellery sold to pay agents,
Turned to Jewellery being sold to pay for massive disruption in Europe.  ajb007/biggrin
and you get a circus thrown in too.  ajb007/lol

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Orlov's plan is clear as it was explained in the meeting with the General's but no idea about the jewellery...something about smuggling it and Orlov trying to steal it. I lose track who has the real/fake one and why he has to buy. But love the film anyway

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