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blame_thatcher wrote:
Golrush007 wrote:

Apart from M's motif, there aren't any other strong recurring themes that I can recall from the score which is a disappointment.

The only apparent theme is 'Severine' which takes up approximately 90 seconds of the score. That's really not good enough.

Yes, that one was also in the back of my mind, but I couldn't recall if it was developed or repeated over several cues or if it just appeared once.

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Mixed feelings here, but I tend to err on the Arnold side. Skyfall was less-than-memorable (I kept thinking Newman was trying to sound like Hans Zimmer in Dark Knight Rises or Inception) and will agree that Arnold masterfully conveyed the Barryness of the series without losing its contemporary flavour. QoS keeps being one of my faves (for all he says "No Good about Goodbye" was not intended to be the movie song, you can hear traces of it EVERYWHERE) and didn't enjoy the change.

That being said, if and when Arnold comes back we will appreciate him twice as much. Or is that TWINE?

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Bondage007 wrote:

As mentioned, Skyfall score is too generic, there's absolutely no Bond vibes. I wish the filmmakers would place more priority on a Bondian score. Since it seems like they are going all out on providing THE Bond movie this time, hopefully they haven't forgotten Barry's contributions

There are occasional Bond vibes, but no amount of Bond vibes could make up for the lack of musicality in the score. I'd rather have a well composed score without Bond vibes, like LALD or FYEO, than a score that just sounds like Bond without any substance.

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Add me to the 'underwhelmed' camp. I'm hoping for better things with Spectre. Maybe even a theme (or two?!).

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i expect u2 die wrote:

Add me to the 'underwhelmed' camp. I'm hoping for better things with Spectre. Maybe even a theme (or two?!).

Even when Thomas Newman writes themes, they are never memorable. You won't find a janitor whistling a Thomas Newman theme. ajb007/biggrin

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Even the janitor in OHMSS had to whistle "Goldfinger"  ajb007/wink

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is there any news on the SPECTRE score? is it finished recording yet?

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Even the janitor in OHMSS had to whistle "Goldfinger"  ajb007/wink

Well, that's my point. John Barry wrote fantastic themes. Nobody finishes Road to Perdition and is whistling the theme.

When John Barry scored action scenes with melodies (or repeating motifs), the melodies help engage the viewer. Newman's generic action music creates a mood, but without a good melody the music doesn't further engage the viewer into the film.

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walther p99 wrote:

is there any news on the SPECTRE score? is it finished recording yet?

It must have finished recording some time ago, seeing how the film will be released in a week and a half.

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walther p99 wrote:

is there any news on the SPECTRE score? is it finished recording yet?

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Matt S wrote:
walther p99 wrote:

is there any news on the SPECTRE score? is it finished recording yet?

It must have finished recording some time ago, seeing how the film will be released in a week and a half.

they should have track samples out by now im guessing.

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Matt S wrote:

Even when Thomas Newman writes themes, they are never memorable. You won't find a janitor whistling a Thomas Newman theme. ajb007/biggrin

Newman is essentially miscast as a composer of a Bond score, but Mendes either failed to see this or didn't have the bottle to work with another composer for a change. All I ask for the Spectre score is that it at least has some flavour to it. Skyfall's score is like munching on a sandwich without any filling.

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walther p99 wrote:

they should have track samples out by now im guessing.

Yes they should, but for some reason there aren't any at this current moment.

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blame_thatcher wrote:
Matt S wrote:

Even when Thomas Newman writes themes, they are never memorable. You won't find a janitor whistling a Thomas Newman theme. ajb007/biggrin

Newman is essentially miscast as a composer of a Bond score, but Mendes either failed to see this or didn't have the bottle to work with another composer for a change. All I ask for the Spectre score is that it at least has some flavour to it. Skyfall's score is like munching on a sandwich without any filling.

Thunderbird Too.

David Arnold is one of my favourite composers, I have loved all the music he has done for Bond. A fitting successor to John Barry.

I just hope that this is not a sign that Mendes thinks more of the same as Skyfall, but bigger, louder, more theatrical. As a script, Skyfall is not nearly as clever or intellectual as it likes to think it is. The arty fartyness of the visuals, sets and lighting although good, failed to contain a weakening script. One that goes south, as the DB5 drove north! The music reflected that. It wasn't Bondian at all. Worse, unlike a Barry or Arnold score, it becomes more generic and understated on subsiquent viewings.

If Sam Smith's very nice but unBondlike theme song is anything to go by, Newman's new score may cure insomnia if nothing else!

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I'm not impressed by Newman, even though I"m a fan of his father's work.  For someone who comes from a well-established, insider family, he performs essentially like I'd expect -- modest talent but with lots of support and marketing.  His score for Skyfall was unremarkable.  David Arnold's scores for both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were better, though he, too, does not have Barry's gift for Bond, especially the early Bond films.

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Gassy Man wrote:

I'm not impressed by Newman, even though I"m a fan of his father's work.  For someone who comes from a well-established, insider family, he performs essentially like I'd expect -- modest talent but with lots of support and marketing.  His score for Skyfall was unremarkable.  David Arnold's scores for both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were better, though he, too, does not have Barry's gift for Bond, especially the early Bond films.

I've wondered how much help Thomas Newman got from him much more talented father. John Barry's Bond scores were fantastic to the end, particularly TLD. Arnold's problem is that he tried too hard to fit the action on screen. Barry wrote fantastic pieces of music that didn't need the context of what was happening on-screen to be understood. Barry's approach to scoring was very simple but very effective. Martin, Hamlisch and Conti scored their films in the same manner as Barry in which fully developed pieces of music in their own right are written to score the films. That's not the modern way to score, but I don't find the modern way so musical. Arnold's problem is that many of his pieces aren't developed enough on their own, and whilst they work in the films they don't always make complete sense as pieces of music. But there are pieces like Backseat Driver or Night at the Opera that are brilliant and can stand alone without the film. When I've commented to people that I don't like particular music from films I haven't seen, they tell me that it's great in the film. But music should be great on its own, which is what greats like Bernard Herrmann, Maurice Jarre, John Barry, John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, Ennio Morricone and others wrote.

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Newman's Skyfall score is more or less a contemporary sci-fi TV show score . . . mostly some unmelodic, low-key notes and chords with occasional bouts of a motif or percussion riff.  His father was more traditional, and his score for such films as How the West Was Won is what I think of when I think of proper movie music.  Modern audiences tend to find it over-the-top, but I find the minimalist modern scores mostly yawners.  A few composers -- Hans Zimmer and Trent Reznor, for instance -- can pull of the minimalist thing, but most just create sonic wallpaper.

David Arnold is a blend of the two.  When he uses a strong melody, such as Bond's arrival in the Bahamas or his escape from the Bolivian hotel, his stuff is good.  He can write a decent theme, like his simple but effective "Sherlock."  But his action music often sounds discordant and random, rather like a Michael Kamen score.  It's not something to listen to outside the context of the movie itself.

What Barry understood, perhaps from his jazz background, was that even if the notes sound off-key, they had to somehow work together, not as random tones, but as a stand in for melody. Take his "007," which, like some jazz, is almost anti-melodic in the ways the notes come together, yet somehow, they give Bond a kind of urban, modern quality, the way jazz by Dave Brubeck, for instance, does.

Where Barry is strongest, though, is with action music.  He uses simple but strong chords and lots of rhythm.  Take his piece during the attack on Fort Knox, for instance.  At the same time, he could write terrific, "pop" and jazz standards.  Though "You Only Live Twice" sounds like a pastiche of Doris Day's "Once I had a Secret Love," just as "Goldfinger" sounds a lot like "Moon River," he still provided enough originality for the songs to take on a splendid life of their own.

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Gassy Man wrote:

Newman's Skyfall score is more or less a contemporary sci-fi TV show score . . . mostly some unmelodic, low-key notes and chords with occasional bouts of a motif or percussion riff.  His father was more traditional, and his score for such films as How the West Was Won is what I think of when I think of proper movie music.  Modern audiences tend to find it over-the-top, but I find the minimalist modern scores mostly yawners.  A few composers -- Hans Zimmer and Trent Reznor, for instance -- can pull of the minimalist thing, but most just create sonic wallpaper.

David Arnold is a blend of the two.  When he uses a strong melody, such as Bond's arrival in the Bahamas or his escape from the Bolivian hotel, his stuff is good.  He can write a decent theme, like his simple but effective "Sherlock."  But his action music often sounds discordant and random, rather like a Michael Kamen score.  It's not something to listen to outside the context of the movie itself.

What Barry understood, perhaps from his jazz background, was that even if the notes sound off-key, they had to somehow work together, not as random tones, but as a stand in for melody. Take his "007," which, like some jazz, is almost anti-melodic in the ways the notes come together, yet somehow, they give Bond a kind of urban, modern quality, the way jazz by Dave Brubeck, for instance, does.

Where Barry is strongest, though, is with action music.  He uses simple but strong chords and lots of rhythm.  Take his piece during the attack on Fort Knox, for instance.  At the same time, he could write terrific, "pop" and jazz standards.  Though "You Only Live Twice" sounds like a pastiche of Doris Day's "Once I had a Secret Love," just as "Goldfinger" sounds a lot like "Moon River," he still provided enough originality for the songs to take on a splendid life of their own.

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10:45am (Gmt) tune in to Classic FM to hear a track from Thomas Newmans Spectre score.

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It actually says it'll be played 10:30 on the Classic FM app.

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@007: Hear a first track from the #SPECTRE soundtrack by Thomas Newman on @ClassicFM this morning at 10:45am http://t.co/KSyPbKwHPH

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Ok so it sounded pretty similar to Skyfall's sound. It was an action piece, sounded like a chase perhaps. Nice use of a choir to add that epic feel. Quite brassy with a heavy rhythm section. There was a moment that was exactly like Skyfall, as in the same cue. Nice hints of the Bond theme but no fanfare. From hearing it, I'm expecting a similar score to Skyfall. The track is being uploaded to the Classic FM website.

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Jimatay wrote:

Ok so it sounded pretty similar to Skyfall's sound. It was an action piece, sounded like a chase perhaps. Nice use of a choir to add that epic feel. Quite brassy with a heavy rhythm section. There was a moment that was exactly like Skyfall, as in the same cue. Nice hints of the Bond theme but no fanfare. From hearing it, I'm expecting a similar score to Skyfall. The track is being uploaded to the Classic FM website.

Thanks for the mini review.

Thought it might be like that.  I find the Skyfall score has its moments however most of the time too much going on

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Also this has found its way onto YouTube (not sure how long for) http://youtu.be/Y2mkD-EVzUk

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Jimatay wrote:

Also this has found its way onto YouTube (not sure how long for) http://youtu.be/Y2mkD-EVzUk

Donna Lucia sounds like a nice piece of music, feels typical of Newman. I'd say it seems like we're in for a similar score to Skyfall, I just hope there are at least a couple of themes that run through the score.

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