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Topic: Missing cues from OHMSS soundtrack

I'm a massive fan of this soundtrack but there are a couple of pieces still missing.
The first is a source piece that you hear during one of the snow scenes. A bit vague I know. It's a bit like a marching piece I think. I can't hear it in my head now. In the film it sojnds like it is playing on a radio.
The second is only a couple of bars and you hear it when Bond is fighting one of Blofeld's henchmen on the edge of the cliff. I think it plays as the bad guy gets up (you think that Bond has strangled the bugger with one of his skies) and launches himself at Bond only for Bond to flip him over his shoulder and off the cliff. It's at this point that music stops.

Last edited by thenoisydrum (29th Nov 2015 15:04)

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I think the second piece is on the 2003 remaster- perhaps on "Escape From Piz Gloria", though I'd need to listen again- although not on earlier editions. It's edited slightly differently from what's in the film.

The first piece might be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X78ZKo4TZL4 ?

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Barbel wrote:

I think the second piece is on the 2003 remaster- perhaps on "Escape From Piz Gloria", though I'd need to listen again- although not on earlier editions. It's edited slightly differently from what's in the film.

The first piece might be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X78ZKo4TZL4 ?

Hi Barbel,
I'm quite sure that the couple of bars of dramatic music isn't on the 2003 master.
Also, this isn't the cue that I was thinking of but it is another unreleased one!

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When preparing the 2003 remaster, the producer (Lukas Kendall) filled the CD to it's limit and wasn't allowed to run to a double album so had to leave out a piece or two including the "Swiss Source" music which I think you're referring to.
Have you heard this cover version of "Ski Chase"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhWK2Xc_RUw  Might be of interest.

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Interesting Barbel. You know your stuff.
How the blazers could they have left that twang in the track Alpine Drive from Goldfinger? Do you know about stuff like that?
Do you know what I mean? During the lush strings playing there is what sounds like a twang on a guitar or something similar. Also the chipmunks in the background during Matt Monro's FRWL

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Thanks for the compliment, tnd!

The "chipmunks" only appear on one version of the vocal FRWL, the stereo one (they're not on the mono). My friend The Cat, who used to be a regular here, and I had a long chat about it on this forum many years ago and it's recording engineers speaking very speeded up. For more details, have a look at http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/p … ;archive=1

I've just had a listen to "Alpine Drive" and there's a guitar twang about 40 seconds in. It's repeated later, so I don't think it's an error.

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Barbel wrote:

Thanks for the compliment, tnd!

The "chipmunks" only appear on one version of the vocal FRWL, the stereo one (they're not on the mono). My friend The Cat, who used to be a regular here, and I had a long chat about it on this forum many years ago and it's recording engineers speaking very speeded up. For more details, have a look at http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/p … ;archive=1

I've just had a listen to "Alpine Drive" and there's a guitar twang about 40 seconds in. It's repeated later, so I don't think it's an error.

Yes, I think I remember the discussion. I remember The Cat from another Bond website that I used to frequent. I think it turned into MI6community.com. Shame cause I prefered that old forum to MI6.
Do you remember that website? Perhaps I shouldn't mention other Bond forums on this one actually.........!

Regarding Alpine Drive, the twang that I mean is at approximately 90 seconds but I think you are correct about it being intentional. The first occurence is at about 40 seconds but it is much softer and I have never noticed it before. The second one  - that I have always noticed, is clearlt a little more unsubtle, but intentional.

I like this music talk - something that I always felt was lacking from this forum

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Have you heard JB's other version of "Alpine Drive", on Columbia*? The twang isn't there, in fact I don't think there's a guitar at all (or it's so quiet as to be unnoticeable). This is available on several compilations, listed as "Goldfinger" and is a medley of "Alpine Drive" and "Dawn Raid At Fort Knox", the latter at fast tempo.

No, I don't frequent other Bond forums regularly unless there's a specific reason- I love it here!  ajb007/smile

*In the early 60s (DN-FRWL period), Barry was signed to Ember Records and recorded versions of FRWL and 007 for that label (pretty inferior versions, IMHO). He then signed to Columbia (CBS) and did further versions of those two tunes for that label, plus the Theme, GF as mentioned above, TB, MKKBB, YOLT, Space March, Try, WHATTITW and OHMSS- these have been compiled many times by that label. Interestingly (I hope), he also recorded "Who Will Buy My Yesterdays" for that label and this was the only place to hear that tune (composed for OHMSS but not used in the film and not on the original issue of the score) for about 30 years.
I could go on (and on) about this if you like!  ajb007/biggrin

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Barbel wrote:

Have you heard JB's other version of "Alpine Drive", on Columbia*? The twang isn't there, in fact I don't think there's a guitar at all (or it's so quiet as to be unnoticeable). This is available on several compilations, listed as "Goldfinger" and is a medley of "Alpine Drive" and "Dawn Raid At Fort Knox", the latter at fast tempo.

No, I don't frequent other Bond forums regularly unless there's a specific reason- I love it here!  ajb007/smile

*In the early 60s (DN-FRWL period), Barry was signed to Ember Records and recorded versions of FRWL and 007 for that label (pretty inferior versions, IMHO). He then signed to Columbia (CBS) and did further versions of those two tunes for that label, plus the Theme, GF as mentioned above, TB, MKKBB, YOLT, Space March, Try, WHATTITW and OHMSS- these have been compiled many times by that label. Interestingly (I hope), he also recorded "Who Will Buy My Yesterdays" for that label and this was the only place to hear that tune (composed for OHMSS but not used in the film and not on the original issue of the score) for about 30 years.
I could go on (and on) about this if you like!  ajb007/biggrin

It has just occurred to me that the twang in question is quite similar to the sound made in LALD when Rog  snips the cables on Tee Hee's hook........!
Very interesting information there Barbel and no I don't know any of those versions. I'll have to look them out.
I'll happilly listen to more of this kind of info. I'd particularly like to know more about who were the players on those early recordings, up to DAF really. Some of the musicianship is stunning.
We moved house a couple of months ago and I'm ashamed to say that my cds and records are still in boxes. I have however just purchased a pair of Cambridge Audio Aero 6 speakers and I'm running them in as we speak (well, type!) So I'm getting there slowly. When I get my collection back out I will put some questions to you.
I found it fascinating reading through the sleeve notes to the LaLaLand records issues of Rosemary' Baby and Stephen King's IT. People like Ray Brown and Don Ellis, I think even Larry Bunker plays some percussion. Anyway, I could go on too.......... Interesting stuff Barbel

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thenoisydrum wrote:

I'll happilly listen to more of this kind of info. I'd particularly like to know more about who were the players on those early recordings, up to DAF really. Some of the musicianship is stunning.

The two players who should definitely be mentioned-

Derek Watkins- Lead trumpet on ALL the films DN-SF, until his death in 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Watkins_(trumpeter)

Vic Flick- Lead guitar up until DAF. Yes, that's him on the James Bond Theme! http://guitarman.com/

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Barbel wrote:
thenoisydrum wrote:

I'll happilly listen to more of this kind of info. I'd particularly like to know more about who were the players on those early recordings, up to DAF really. Some of the musicianship is stunning.

The two players who should definitely be mentioned-

Derek Watkins- Lead trumpet on ALL the films DN-SF, until his death in 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Watkins_(trumpeter)

Vic Flick- Lead guitar up until DAF. Yes, that's him on the James Bond Theme! http://guitarman.com/

Derek Watkins is a fantastic trumpeter beyond Bond. I have him playing lead trumpet on some jazz albums as well.