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qbvi wrote:

Looking at the two shoes I have, they are not identified as in model serial number. But each one bears a number which could be the casino imprint. On the side is a plaque which you look for as a chemin de fer card draw guide. This differentiates these shoes from the blackjack ones. I found my shoes from Australia....a looong way from France. Took me years.


PoorMansJB wrote:

Slight tangent:
Would anyone have any idea what brand or other identifying information there is for the card shoe used in the scene?
There are quite a number of them around but so far not found one with the distinctive metal trim.

And at the top left it says .... Caro, yes?
I've seen many with J.A.L France (as my one from Le Cercle is I believe).

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Well, what can I say? The set on Heritage has 2 bids now ($2600) so mine are an (even bigger) absolute bargain.....

Last edited by DrNoPlaques (11th Mar 2020 18:21)

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Any body have any idea what the set on Heritage actually sold for?
It says 4 bids so.............
Thanks.

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$2800 for a set that isn't "top grade" wow, I knew I'd under priced them but..................

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DrNoPlaques wrote:

$2800 for a set that isn't "top grade" wow, I knew I'd under priced them but..................

That's the crapshoot that is an offline or live auction. They can fetch prices five to ten times as high as eBay but Heritage and other auction houses earn 40% of hammer price, 20% from seller and buyer each. So buyer is paying $3360 plus ship/insurance and seller gets $2240, not $2800, and if at profit, pays collectibles tax in the US of 28%!

For another example, I've seen Casino Royale plaques go for $10,000 or more at a live auction, each, or for a few hundred dollars! Yee-ouch!

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Very true Matt, no worries though as glad to see they sold for more as opposed to less.
Hope life is treating you well, take care and have fun.

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I've watched the clip a few times but in better quality and I'm pretty sure that the chap to Bond's right, who gets the shoe when he leaves, has a couple of white plaques under his £500s in the pile closest to him which by the look of it don't have cut corners so I think it has to be this one. There are only 3 times that you can get a glimpse of them I think but if anybody can be bothered to confirm, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

https://i.postimg.cc/tnQ0g2Hx/0020-1.jpg

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https://i.postimg.cc/Js3zMjpk/1.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/rdQytMXy/3.jpg


Best I can do, can anyone else get better screens?

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Thanks Matt, see what I mean? Hope all is well, take care and have fun.

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I think they do definitely look like £1000 plaques.  ajb007/martini

https://i.postimg.cc/sXbF9mpj/LECERC-1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/76582dJt/LECERC-2.png

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Thanks, so do I but great to have another "confirmation" although if I didn't know about them already I would never have "guessed" so............thanks both.

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What are your thoughts (anyone) on when the dealer leans over to pass Bond his winnings and the chap far left on screen has a couple of jetons in front of him, only just seen them as found a better quality clip to watch. I'd hazard a guess at either a 5/- or a 10/- or possibly a red £1 far right of the 2. They are also seen just beforehand but they are right next to his elbow and on top of each other. Anybody bored and can verify or dismiss? Thanks all.

Last edited by DrNoPlaques (4th Jun 2020 12:52)

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Well spotted, sir, but could they have made a mistake and put roulette chips down by mistake?

And--wait a minute--is that two whole stacks of roulette chips earlier in the scene?!

Put me down for a set or more, sir!

https://i.postimg.cc/XrKCbGpz/1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/WD2JbNZb/2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/CZmnR3CC/3.jpg

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They most certainly look like £1 jetons.

https://i.postimg.cc/MGdYGsF5/JETONS1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/FK9ZNtD1/JETONS2.jpg

I have a set of jetons and must say they do look good with the plaques.  ajb007/martini

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Had a better look and it's the chap next to Bond's hand (cigarette), so maybe they were later as I thought.
Hope all is well, have fun.

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ACACIA_AVENUE wrote:

They most certainly look like £1 jetons.

https://i.postimg.cc/MGdYGsF5/JETONS1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/FK9ZNtD1/JETONS2.jpg

I have a set of jetons and must say they do look good with the plaques.  ajb007/martini

They certainly do compliment the plaques as same design and look, thanks for the "confirmation."
Hope all is well.

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Hi Garin
Loving this thread and your sharp eyes and keenness to add new information is to be commended.
All the best.

Garin is spot on with his observations and the fact that he has everything from the Mills garage sale to compare against the film stills is the best endorsement any of us can hope to get on these given the passage of time.

I already have my set of jetons to accompany my plaques.

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qbvi wrote:

Hi Garin
Loving this thread and your sharp eyes and keenness to add new information is to be commended.
All the best.

Garin is spot on with his observations and the fact that he has everything from the Mills garage sale to compare against the film stills is the best endorsement any of us can hope to get on these given the passage of time.

I already have my set of jetons to accompany my plaques.

Thanks qbvi, I know it seems like I'm going on a bit but it amazes me that there are still things to be "found" in the clip and I like to share. Hope all is well, have fun and keep enjoying the "stuff" you have.

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I watched those clips many times but never saw what you saw....just goes to show how much easier to ID when you have the originals in your hands.
Astounded what you have added to our knowledge of the Bond universe. All of us on this forum especially those whom you have helped owe you enormous gratitude...you certainly have mine  ajb007/martini
Regards, Sid

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Can anyone get a better look/opinion of my photo, just after we see Trench, where it looks like a stack of chips?

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Bond Collectors' Weekends wrote:

Can anyone get a better look/opinion of my photo, just after we see Trench, where it looks like a stack of chips?

Is this any better?

https://i.postimg.cc/76DbfBDf/JETONS3.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/yN0k1MMM/JETONS4.jpg

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I know that when Le Cercle opened it was known for the kidney shaped Baccarat tables and French roulette but I thought that the "proper" roulette tables (American roulette as we call it in the business over here) were a later addition. Just the fact that the jetons are there means that there must have been (or it was implied at least) another room as I can't see any roulette tables in the Dr No clip. I've been told that they only showed Baccarat as that was Fleming's favourite game plus it made the room quieter. I have photos (slightly later I assume) of the gaming floor that show the 3 ARs and 3 Blackjack tables so maybe that was the other room. When we went to Les A and saw the room as it is now though the space didn't look big enough although it had been remodeled a few times since so.........

https://i.postimg.cc/yg2vS1w8/IMG-3844.jpg

There is also a photo with the Hilton being built which would have been about 1963 which would make sense.
Thanks both for the help and whilst it would be nice if they were AR chips, they look like fingers and an ashtray to me. I have a later ashtray and PB shoe (not Caro) but not that much later I think.

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That is much better, thank you!

Looked like a stack of chips but I think, like DrNo, it's an ashtray.

Thanks!

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Slight tangent...........
I don't suppose anybody has the Vogue magazine from August 1st 1962, do they?
Has an article on Le Cercle (one page). Found one on ebay but would rather just find the article.
Thanks in advance.

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Managed to find out that the Bond style plaques were produced in April 1961 and the later ones not until March 1978 which is what we thought, still nice to get it confirmed though.