Should The Old Films Be Re-Made?

I was chatting to a mate of mine the other day, and he doesn't like any of the films except those done by brosnan. He says its because they are more real and the spcial effects are much better, and the old films are not worth bothering with.

I don't think they should be, but thats me.

Anyone got any opinions on this?
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  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    Stick to your guns. That's his opinion, formulate your own.
  • V12VanquishV12Vanquish Posts: 7MI6 Agent
    Oh i have every intention of standing by the classic films, i just wandered what you uys on here thought of the matter!
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    Sorry I misunderstood. Well I can only speak for myself but-any attempt to remake the older films today would be met with horrific admonishment by me. There's no need because they stand on their own as the best. In my opinion the classics cannot be touched-not with all the special effects in the world.
  • PredatorPredator Posts: 790Chief of Staff
    Quoting V12Vanquish:
    I was chatting to a mate of mine the other day, and he doesn't like any of the films except those done by brosnan

    Hmmmm ... very common these days. ;)

    I have to ask why there is such a demand to remake films. The obvious answer is that there are no (or very few) original ideas in Hollywood. The easy option for the studios is to take a successful old title (which they don't need the rights for) and remake it with their current set of young stars. Low risk for high return. However, it's just lazy and greedy filmmaking.

    To remake the early Bonds would be pointless as most of the Brosnan films have taken elements from the preceeding films anyway. Evolution not revolution and all that.

    There is one exception to this though and that's Casino Royale, a film title that is dying to be remade into a superior film ...
  • Female 00 AgentFemale 00 Agent Posts: 1MI6 Agent
    I agree with Alex, the older films were classics and some of my friends say were the more realistic of the Bond films.
    Dr No, FRWL, GF, LALD etc are all more realistic than all of Brosnan films...which all revolve round special effects etc..who can say that Goldeneye for example is more realistic than Live and Let Die
  • V12VanquishV12Vanquish Posts: 7MI6 Agent
    Personally i feel that while the films (all of them) contain, and require, a portion of fantasy, the brosnan films seem to be lacking in fantasy when you compare to the likes of goldfinger.

    Don't get me wrong, i enjoy all the films, and brosnan is my second favourite bond, but i do feel that if we take away the classic feel to the films (either by remaking them or by making new films without it) we run the risk of losing what is a great franchise.

    :007)
  • KronsteenKronsteen Posts: 28MI6 Agent
    Don't redo the classic ones !
    IMO they stand as the best, so any attempt would be inferior.

    Let's imagine it, though. Then who would you cast as Pussy Galore, Auric Goldfinger, or Dr NO ? Not that easy indeed.
  • spiderfrommarsspiderfrommars Posts: 13MI6 Agent
    Well if he doesn't want to watch the old ones then thats his loss, pure and simple. But he's in a minority.

    No self respecting film fan would discount a film on account of the film's age.

    Bond is not the only example. People who prefer modern day special effects are only going to miss out on practically all the classics like The Godfather, Apocalypse Now, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Jaws, Citizen Kane, etc.

    Just tell him to go watch 2Fast2Furious at the cinema and that'll keep him quiet. Meanwhile you can stick on From Russia With Love again.
  • Red GrantRed Grant Posts: 147MI6 Agent
    The classics are classics, and thus, watching some of my favourite "old ones" like From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, The Spy Who Loved Me, and The Living Daylights,well, to me they look like they were made no more than 10 years ago. (In TLD case, 5 years ago :) )There is no need to remake obiviously timeless films.

    Oh, and by the way, if your buddy only likes the Brosnan Bonds because on screen they seem more realistic, well he should really invest some time and watch for what they truly offer, which is something more.
  • Prince Kamal KhanPrince Kamal Khan Posts: 277MI6 Agent
    Quoting Red Grant:
    Oh, and by the way, if your buddy only likes the Brosnan Bonds because on screen they seem more realistic, well he should really invest some time and watch for what they truly offer, which is something more.

    The Brosnan Bonds more realistic? Have him watch just the final battle on the plane in DAD and compare it to the similar final battle on the plane in TLD and see if he can look you straight in the eye and claim that. Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed DAD but all the overdose of CGI in the final quarter gives MR's finale strong competition for least realistic, most cartoonish finale to a Bond film.
  • Steve Rush DI5 AgentSteve Rush DI5 Agent Oxfordshire, Great BritainPosts: 59MI6 Agent
    I kinda agree with the majority that, on the whole, the Bond films should be left alone.

    However, one or two of the less-impressive fims could be re-done by perhaps revsiting the original stories and remaking them in this vein under the titles.

    I know that this has been discussed in other topics, but I feel that the following could benefit from a makeover in this way:

    Casino Royale
    (From) A View to a Kill (just for a change!)
    The Man with the Golden Gun
    The Spy Who Loved Me

    One suggestion I have also put forward elsewhere would be to make these into a series of short dramas for TV, perhaps trying out an actor they might have in mind to replace PB in the films...?
  • MMcDev14MMcDev14 Posts: 4MI6 Agent
    no. there is no cold war anymore - you'd have to completely change lots of there basis. should not be remade. period.
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    Quoting Red Grant:
    Oh, and by the way, if your buddy only likes the Brosnan Bonds because on screen they seem more realistic, well he should really invest some time and watch for what they truly offer, which is something more.

    Seems his friend has already invested time with the Brosnan Bonds, after all they are the only ones he likes. An indoctrination of all things Bond is really the prescribed medication here.

    ...and welcome to AJB Female 00 Agent! :007)
  • wet nelliewet nellie Posts: 16MI6 Agent
    Like Predator said, the classics hold their own and we have to remember that they were cutting edge at the time - and still are. Ejector seat, sports car turned subamarine, up to the latest adaptive camoflauge all may be far-fetched at time, but are what make Bond Bond. The technology and gadgets and women of the time give each film their own feel and touch, as each brings something new to the table. Remaking an old film would be a terrible thing to do and is hopefully never considered by EON Ltd.
  • The DoveThe Dove Posts: 14MI6 Agent
    Seven words for you: never say Never Say Never Again again!

    We saw what happened with the last remake of a classic Bond film, it was not the success Kevin McClory had hoped for. Stay original, don't rehash.
  • V12VanquishV12Vanquish Posts: 7MI6 Agent
    It seems that i am not alone in my thoughts!

    All interesting points of view!

    Don't stop on my account!
  • Prince Kamal KhanPrince Kamal Khan Posts: 277MI6 Agent
    One can argue that the old films have in fact already been remade by Eon(with the names and locations changed, of course):

    DN was later remade as YOLT
    YOLT was later remade as TSWLM
    TSWLM was later remade as TND
    GF was later remade as AVTAK
    DAF was later remade as DAD
    to name a few.
  • V12VanquishV12Vanquish Posts: 7MI6 Agent
    With that information i would tend to disagree. The only similarities are that the plots are very vaguely the same, and certain aspects of the characters, but that is where the similarities end.

    The films are as individual as they possibly can be, when you take into account the kind of story that has to be present to make a film a Bond Film, and not just another spy film. :007)
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    Quoting V12Vanquish:
    With that information i would tend to disagree. The only similarities are that the plots are very vaguely the same, and certain aspects of the characters, but that is where the similarities end.

    The films are as individual as they possibly can be, when you take into account the kind of story that has to be present to make a film a Bond Film, and not just another spy film. :007)


    I agree with your assessment.;)The older films don't need to be remade.They cannot be improved upon.And they set the standards for all of the other films that followed-including those now starring Brosnan.Simply put,good films are good films,regardless of their age--and the early Bond movies are some of the finest adventure films ever made.


    W.G.
  • TracyTracy the VillagePosts: 369MI6 Agent
    I don't think you could really remake the actual films themselves, as V12Vanquish and Willie Garvin have mentioned. The basic elements of the plots themselves, however, are much more easy to adapt and tweak around. Just by changing a few minor details you could retain the basic plot and modernize it. Most of the time this works only to a certain extent (ie AVTAK's strong similarity to GF in plot).
    Flattery will get you nowhere, but don't stop trying.
  • V12VanquishV12Vanquish Posts: 7MI6 Agent
    I appreciate that you do have to retain a certain element of the classic films in order to keep the new films in a james bond fashion, but i do think that the plots, characters etc could be quite signifigantly changed to accomodate the modern aspects of film and technological advances, whilst still retaining a piece of classic films.

    Could there be a re-vamp of the JB style on the way?

    I hope there is, but i really hope they don't make it to far away from the original feel of 007!
  • micsnmicsn Posts: 7MI6 Agent
    No, they should not be remade.

    :)
  • 009_and_a_half009_and_a_half Posts: 1MI6 Agent
    It would be grossly wrong to remake the old films... the classics are classics. Modern special effects would ruin them, and it would look out of place. Except maybe Timothy Dalton's movies; they had the best plots but really disliked him as Bond. But that's just my opinion. Some people may like Dalton. ;)
  • PredatorPredator Posts: 790Chief of Staff
    Tim Dalton's Bond isn't my favourite, but the films are still strong Bond films. IMO remakes are lazy and manipulative ("Oh, the original made us stacks of money, let's do it again") - they are creatively barren. Sequels on the other hand at least give you a different story each time.

    Half the problem with NSNA was the fact the the plot was too known. It's like when you hear a cover version of a song ... it's never quite as good as the original.
  • RobinsonRobinson Posts: 42MI6 Agent
    I feel that the best remakes are always of movies that originally could have potentially been a big success, but for some reason were not. Why bother remaking a film that was already perfectly good in the first place?

    Look at the H.G Wells novel "The Time Machine". This spawned a classic 1960 movie warning of the threats of nuclear war, yet for some reason some executive somewhere decided to remake this wonderful movie and the result was never a patch on the original.

    A more successful remake was with Oceans Eleven - originally an all star cast movie that somehow flopped, yet with its flaws analysed and rectified, made an excellent remake in 2002 with George Clooney, Brad Pitt and co. The disappointing 1963 film Cleopatra is another prime candidate that could go through this remake treatment. Catherine Zeta Jones would be perfect for the title role and perhaps Michael Douglas as Julius Caesar?

    Should Eon ever decide to remake any Bond movies, I feel this should be taken into account - namely remakes of bad films are more successful than remakes of good ones. A Bond movie that is just begging to be remade IMO is Casino Royale, or maybe Diamonds Are Forever too.

    Please Mr Wilson though, leave the likes of Goldfinger and YOLT alone. They just cannot be improved on!!
  • Doake18Doake18 Posts: 9MI6 Agent
    Quoting 009_and_a_half:
    Some people may like Dalton. ;)

    I think there are some people that do...;)
  • JaelleJaelle Posts: 19MI6 Agent
    Quoting Doake18:
    Quoting Doake18:
    Quoting 009_and_a_half:
    Some people may like Dalton. ;)

    I think there are some people that do...;)

    Nah, no way.....
    (said ajb's resident Dalton fanatic...) ;)

    Anyway...

    I'm sure there were people during Moore's reign who thought Connery's films were old hat and should be re-made with Moore to stay with the then-up-to-date technology and tone. In every era there are those (usually young people) who think "today's films are more realistic," whatever they may mean by that.

    The notion that today's films are "more realistic" is such a vague, subjective idea. If you're comparing, say, MR's sfx with today's sfx, well, ok. Yet even there, I find much of today's cgi effects to be so obviously fake (the surfing scene in DAD was one of the most obvious I've yet seen recently), I feel like I'm watching a couple of animated stick figures manipulated by some unidentified programmer sitting behind a PC screen somewhere----which I am.

    Realistic how? Realistic in the portrayal of, say, women? That's such a complicated issue....how "realistic" would it be to show a female M in 1962 as compared to today? I'm not saying it would be an impossible idea, because women throughout history have always been *present* in mostly male occupations to some limited degree. Certainly in Brosnan's films we have less of those women who so easily, mindlessly succumb to Bond's charms....or do we? :D

    So realistic in what sense? Personally, I find more realism in the scenes between Bond and Kerim Bey (a very hard-nosed, traditional man in a tough, dangerous job) than those between Bond and Zukovsky. And I *like* Zukovsky very much, by the way, that's not a slam against him. (When it looks like he's dead in TWINE, it's one of the few times in Brosnan's films in which I'm emotionally caught up in the loss of a character I've come to care about).

    Perhaps I'm wrong, but I am assuming that your friend is young, and some young people have a hard time watching older films. Many people of my generation, for example, have a hard time watching silent films of the 20s or films from the 30s. They have a hard time with the old style of acting (which many erroneously label as "bad" acting) or dated effects, and so on. Depending on the film, I sometimes share that difficulty, but I also love watching the silent Phantom of the Opera, Metropolis, Nosferatu and especially Chaplin's City Lights (that one brings tears to my eyes every time). On the other hand, I have a very hard time sitting thru the old Busby Berkely musicals
    I recognize the artistry and talent and delightful extravagance, and I know they were HUGELY popular but I'm always fidgeting around when watching them.

    I've always been a bit of an old fogie and I find that I have a hard time watching most contemporary commercial films as opposed to old films because I find them to be rather bland, cold and soulless. I find the people in them to be far too self-aware. I also find a lot of contemporary films to be too *obviously* made by corporate CEOs. But that's me.

    The quality of sfx of a film is the last thing I look at, if at all. I can still watch the original Star Trek series or the old BBC Blake's 7 series and totally get into the characters, the plots and so on. The cheap effects do not touch me at all as a viewer.

    Anyway, I'm blabbing on and on as usual.

    There have been many remakes of different films. As someone pointed out, we're getting far too much of it lately (and they're scraping the bottom of the barrel by remaking old TV shows). But remakes are hardly anything new---there were several made in the 50s of old films from the 20s and 30s, for example. And just about all of them failed to match the power of the originals. Tho it's still a subject of debate, the 1950s remake of the 1930s Charles Boyer-Irene Dunne "Love Affair" with Cary Grant and Deborah Kerr ("An Affair to Remember") is the only one I can think of that can be said to be just as good as the original, or maybe better (maybe).

    There are no original ideas anymore. Only (perhaps) new styles and tones and interpretations of old ideas. The scripts of Brosnan's films have done pretty well in dealing with a world devoid of the polarized atmosphere of the Cold War. It's a more complex political world today and his films have provided some very interesting adventures for that world. Perhaps your friend means the old films should be re-made to reflect that world?

    Well, no, I don't think so. And, no, broadly speaking, I don't think Brosnan's films are anymore "realistic" than the older films. And sure, go ahead, re-make Dalton's films----just hire him to star in them! :D
  • Ali TaitAli Tait Posts: 7MI6 Agent
    Didn't Brosnan make a comment about him wanting to do a remake of OHMSS?
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,236MI6 Agent
    There's absolutely nothing wrong with ANY bond film. :)
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • JaelleJaelle Posts: 19MI6 Agent
    Quoting Jarvio:
    There's absolutely nothing wrong with ANY bond film. :)

    I like the way you think, Jarvio. :)
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