Daniel Craig hopes his Bond 'is not as sexist'

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  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    Not a Craig Bond fan myself, but I have to defend him here. His Bond does have feelings, and even falls in love. But, of course, this has also happened to the other fella.
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    It was mostly Connery and Moore's characters which were sexist. Dalton was the first feminist Bond though.
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Theres no other stories around. Hence this Idris Elba/Horowicz rubbish

    They cant get anything from Spectre - closed set and all that. So they have have to resort to this...

    It is interesting as Craig see's him as lonely. Which is pretty true. But its unleashed a media firestorm...
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    It's the Media being the Media as always :#
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Theres no other stories around. Hence this Idris Elba/Horowicz rubbish

    No, I don't see it as rubbish. When you use your freedom of speech, you're responsible for what you say, especially if it's work-related. I can't think of what else Horowicz could have meant.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Theres no other stories around. Hence this Idris Elba/Horowicz rubbish

    No, I don't see it as rubbish. When you use your freedom of speech, you're responsible for what you say, especially if it's work-related. I can't think of what else Horowicz could have meant.

    The man used the wrong word. It's the impression he got from watching Luther. It's unlikely Horowitz is a true racist like Ian Fleming was.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Like what I've already said on another Thread, I don't think Anthony meant anything Racist with the Word he used. He probably just worded it wrong.
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,652MI6 Agent
    I don't think Bond could ever get away from objectifying women, though in QoS Camille kind of treats him like her BFF in the end, right? :))
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Bond need not be a sterile feminist character, but it entirely depends on how his behavior is underscored by the film makers. For example, in Goldeneye, Bond is sexist but he's portrayed as oafish - not cool - for being such.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Bond need not be a sterile feminist character, but it entirely depends on how his behavior is underscored by the film makers. For example, in Goldeneye, Bond is sexist but he's portrayed as oafish - not cool - for being such.

    Even back in MR, Bond's sexist comments ("a woman?") make him sound stupid. In the 1980s, Moore's Bond's attitudes towards women changed. He showed them more respect and it never seemed like he was taking advantage of women in those films.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    A good Example is with Stacy (During there first Meeting at at the End being the only Exceptions) Bond treated her more like a Daughter then a potential Lover.
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  • perdoggperdogg Posts: 432MI6 Agent
    A good Example is with Stacy (During there first Meeting at at the End being the only Exceptions) Bond treated her more like a Daughter then a potential Lover.

    Bond is heterosexual male, something that is not really celebrated anymore.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    perdogg wrote:
    Bond is heterosexual male, something that is not really celebrated anymore.
    I have to admit... I am a heterosexual, THERE, I said it! X-(
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  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    perdogg wrote:
    A good Example is with Stacy (During there first Meeting at at the End being the only Exceptions) Bond treated her more like a Daughter then a potential Lover.

    Bond is heterosexual male, something that is not really celebrated anymore.

    Isn't Craig's Bond bisexual (at least vaguely). He would ask: "What makes you think I'm heterosexual"?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Aren't most action heroes" Hetro males" ?, so nothing unusual there.
    Infact off hand I can only think of Cpt Jack Harkness from Dr Who and
    Torchwood, as an openly gay hero. ........ I'm a big fan of Cpt Jack -{ I
    think he's a great character, and oddly enough the character's sexuality
    doesn't bother me in the slightest. :D
    I'm guessing Bond's " Bi-sexual" commented has to do with Silva's
    questioning of him ? Which I thought most people had decided was
    Bond trying to counter Silva's questioning techniques. To show Silva that
    He wasn't unsettling Bond. ;)
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    At least Silva didn't bash Bonds Never Regions in :))
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  • martinimartini Posts: 289MI6 Agent
    It looked like he wanted to take care of his nether regions when they met...
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  • Thunderbird 2Thunderbird 2 East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,777MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    perdogg wrote:
    A good Example is with Stacy (During there first Meeting at at the End being the only Exceptions) Bond treated her more like a Daughter then a potential Lover.

    Bond is heterosexual male, something that is not really celebrated anymore.

    Isn't Craig's Bond bisexual (at least vaguely). He would ask: "What makes you think I'm heterosexual"?

    He said "What makes you think this is my first time?" - Not necessarily the same thing. Sometimes straight guys dabble at some point out of curiosity. Personally though, I like to think Bond is Bi from that scene alone. We have just never seen him exploit the opportunity. - He looks ready to throttle Silva when his arms are freed, plus Silva looks a little surprised at being outwitted in that way. Like a classic Bond baddie he quickly recovers and changes tack.

    Mr Craig's Bond is not sexist in the traditional sense. He had his heart broken by Vesper, and we see that clearly. Probably makes CR-06 the one Bond film with real romance in it besides OHMSS.
    However, he is an ally cat when he needs to be, and its somewhat squewed in the writing. - Vesper, Camille and E-MP he treats with humour, respect and curiosity. Fields was a plaything (poor lassie*) and used Solange and Sévérine purely as means to an end.
    This creates a slightly lopsided perspective, and the media (in a hurry to meet deadlines and stir up agro) only look at the latter and assume "sexist bastard." I suppose the passing of the M baton from Dame Judy to Mr Finnes will have added to that glossing over. Of course, the side effect when the media do this is, it gets us - those who know better, talking about it which creates more publicity!

    * I really, really REALLY wish they had given Gemma Arteton more to do. That woman is exceptional. Damned funny too.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    And one of the most beautiful Women in the World -{
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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    I think what Bond said to Silva was done just to mess with him or gain the upper hand in the psychological game they were playing. It's a great line, especially in the context of the contemporary Bond persona.
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Wait, so Bond and Silva actually flirting wasn't a figment of imagination?
  • SkyfellSkyfell Posts: 37MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    I think what Bond said to Silva was done just to mess with him or gain the upper hand in the psychological game they were playing. It's a great line, especially in the context of the contemporary Bond persona.

    Ditto. While it's certainly possible Bond is bisexual, I doubt he actually is. Bond's "first time" quip is simply his way of throwing Silva's tactic back in his face. Much like when he said to Le Chiffre "Now the whole world's going to know you scratched m balls."
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