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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 2,298MI6 Agent
    edited May 21

    awesome Gymkata! that makes your list of essential Marvel Cinematic universe films look concise in comparison

    but you don't include Who Shot Liberty Vallance, which advances the rather heady argument that democracy is dependent on literacy.

    That transition between the lawless settler period and the rise of a more formal civilization (usually heralded by the arrival of the railway) is the backdrop to more than a few. Beyond the trappings of the hats and the horses and the sixguns, there's a sort of Origin mythology going on.

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    btw, what was the name of the actor who played the Gary Cooper character in Outland? names right on the tip of my tongue but cant quite seem to remember...

  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,099MI6 Agent

    Ha! As I said at the top of my post, I knew I was forgetting a few!

    Also, was that a dig against me regarding 'being concise?' 🥂

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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 2,298MI6 Agent

    your lists are positively encyclopedic, and that's a good thing.

    I counted 63 films in your recommended Western list, enough to keep a filmbuff busy for a year!

    bonus points if you make such lists off the top of your head without having to look anything up.

  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 1,817MI6 Agent

    That is a comprehensive list G. ! No BTTF3 though..?😉

    "Any of the opposition around..?"
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,099MI6 Agent

    Gah!!! Forgot BTTF3. Mea Culpa. It doesn't really count. I also forgot both of the YOUNG GUNS films. I'd probably slot those in the second or third tier category; I haven't seen either of them in years.

    And yes, that was off of the top of my head while also glancing at my wall of DVDs/blu rays.

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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 2,298MI6 Agent
    edited May 21

    I admire your the way you use your braincells @Gymkata , reminds me of how whenever anybody asks me something work related I have to look it up, but if its the correct wording of a Monty Python quote I got it safely stored away in a priority braincell.

    for the record, that list of essential Marvel Cinematic Universe films I recall ended up including 22 out of 24 films released up til that point, and makes a good standard reference for where the various characters and ongoing plot threads first appeared, also encyclopedic.

    EDIT: just went looking for it, here it is

  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,003MI6 Agent

    @Gymkata I am sure I have seen a few of the films you have listed for sale in the charity shops. This was recently so they are possibly still there. They only cost £1 each on DVD. What I do is buy a few films watch them and - if I don't care for them, I gift back to the charity shop. TV here show western films every day. There was one on this afternoon (which I missed) called 'The Guns of Fort Petticoat'. I don't know if I should make a note of watching that one the next time it is on?


    I have looked and yes the Spaghetti western set is 'A Fistful of Dollars' 'A Few Dollars More' and 'The Good The Bad And The Ugly'.

  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,003MI6 Agent

    Bond Films are shown almost all the Time on TV also in the UK. Although they show some a lot more than others.

  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,099MI6 Agent

    You'll enjoy those three films. I find FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE to be a tad slow but it's still excellent. Of note:

    • TG,TB,aTU was filmed last but, sequentially, it's actually the first film of the trilogy. Clint gets his costume for FISTFUL at the end of the movie. All three of them stand alone, though.
    • Lee Van Cleef is playing completely different characters in the two films that he appears in. Don't get confused on that.
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  • Golrush007Golrush007 South AfricaPosts: 2,951Quartermasters
    edited May 21

    Gymkata has provided an excellent list of Westerns that any film fan should check out. I'm not sure I'm giving anything new here, but this is my persnoal list of top 20 favourite films of the genre.

    • ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST
    • THE SEARCHERS
    • THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY
    • THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE
    • WINCHESTER '73
    • TRUE GRIT (2010)
    • UNFORGIVEN
    • RED RIVER
    • THE GUNFIGHTER
    • BEND OF THE RIVER
    • HIGH NOON
    • RIO BRAVO
    • THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES
    • MCCABE & MRS MILLER
    • JOHNNY GUITAR
    • FORT APACHE
    • STAGECOACH
    • FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE
    • THE BIG COUNTRY
    • THE WILD BUNCH


  • Golrush007Golrush007 South AfricaPosts: 2,951Quartermasters


    I would agree with your comment regarding For a Few Dollars More Gymkata, but I would also add that to me it is the quintessential example of a spaghetti western. Leone undoubtedly improved with his next two films, however, they venture more into epic territory, which basically all other spaghetti westerns don't do. Therefore, I regard For a Few Dollars More as the 'typical' spaghetti western at its very best. In my opinion, another couple of top contenders for best spaghetti western are Sergio Corbucci's The Great Silence and The Mercenary.

    It was the spaghetti westerns that first pulled me into the western genre, although as time has gone by I've developed a greater affection for the American originals...ie the films of Ford, Hawks, Mann etc.

  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,099MI6 Agent

    Great list and you have a few on there that, as I mentioned in my original post, I've heard are good/great. I'll reference this for future viewing!

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  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 1,104MI6 Agent
    edited May 21

    @Gymkata

    @Golrush007

    Two great lists guys. I could debate endlessly with you the merits / demerits of some of those movies.

    Among many other films you don't list, I'd only like to mention DJANGO (1966) which is fabulous, John Wayne's glorious swansong THE SHOOTIST (1976) and Michael Winner's bleak CHATO'S LAND (1972).

    CARRY ON COWBOY (1965) anybody ?

  • CoolHandBondCoolHandBond Mactan IslandPosts: 3,908MI6 Agent

    Loving these lists. I always like to refer my lists as favourites rather than best because I know that technically some movies are better made than others but sometimes less enjoyable.

    My top 20 (in no particular order) would be: (omitting modern day westerns)

    The Magnificent Seven (1960)

    Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid

    Pat Garrett And Billy The Kid

    The Shootist

    Big Deal At Dodge City aka A Big Hand For A Little Lady

    A Fistful Of Dynamite aka Duck, You Sucker

    True Grit (1969)

    The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance

    3.10 To Yuma (1957)

    The Wild Bunch

    Shane

    Once Upon A Time In The West

    EL Dorado

    A Fistful Of Dollars

    The Man From Laramie

    The Searchers

    My Darling Clementine

    Rio Bravo

    High Noon

    The Good The Bad And The Ugly

    Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,003MI6 Agent
    edited May 22

    @Barbel. I pressed the 'New Discussion' button again by mistake again! Could you please put my message here? Thank you.


    EDIT. I tried to post my comment but even thoogh I pressed 'post comment' the message said I had to wait for it to be approved?!


    I will try once more. You will know why the same message keeps appearing for approval if it doesn't work!

  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,077Chief of Staff

    Joshua- there is nothing to be seen, no messages, nothing to be approved. Please just carry on as normal.

  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,145MI6 Agent

    Speaking of spaghetti westerns, A Fistful of Dynamite (a/k/a Duck You Sucker!) is an often overlooked Leone entry which basically closed out his western phase. It follows the exploits of an Irish revolutionary hiding out in Mexico (James Coburn) and a Mexican bandit (Rod Steiger) and his family, who get mixed up in the Mexican revolution. Given the time period it's probably a bit of a stretch to call it a western but it still retains many of the classic Leone tropes. The score by Ennio Morricone is positively haunting and Leone once again makes use of extended flashbacks to flesh out the characters and their backstory as he did in Once Upon A Time In The West. The pacing is uneven in spots and there are some jarring editing cuts towards the end but like most Leone efforts there are also plenty of memorable sequences.

  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,003MI6 Agent

    I have made a list of the films recommended here. I will be visiting the usual places I look for DVDs and will report back if I am successful at finding any of them.


    I should not really say this but when I am doing overtime (which is often!) and away from my normal duties, I can have many twelve hour long shifts where I have very little to do except the occasional patrol. I bought a portable DVD player with a screen attached some time ago and sometimes take it to work. I think this will now prove useful to allow me to watch these films!


    Just for my information, with the spaghetti westerns, I should then watch TGTBTU first, then AFFoD and FaFDM

  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,215Chief of Staff

    The posts were in the spam filter - about 5 of them…I’ve deleted 4 and reinstated the one above 🍸

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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,077Chief of Staff

    Thanks, Sir Miles- that was the one place I didn't look!

  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,099MI6 Agent

    @Joshua

    'Just for my information, with the spaghetti westerns, I should then watch TGTBTU first, then AFFoD and FaFDM'

    Chronologically, this is correct. In terms of production, TGTBaTU is last.


    In truth it does not matter what order you watch them in. They all stand alone without any real continuity between them apart from his clothing.

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  • Golrush007Golrush007 South AfricaPosts: 2,951Quartermasters

    I agree with Gymkata. It does not really matter in which order they are watched.

    However, I do think that Fistful of Dollars is a good starting point. It is a brisk, 90 minute action filled film that does a good job of reworking the samurai plot of Kurosawa's Yojimbo for a western setting. As Leone's films went on, they became bigger, more epic, and longer. So The Good The Bad and The Ugly with its nearly 3 hour running time can be a bit intimidating for a first time viewer - well, it was for me. I tend to be put off by films with long running times, even though many of my favourite films are a bit on the long side. (After all, my favourite film of all time is the nearly 4 hour whopper, Lawrence of Arabia).

    So watching them in order of release does give you that gradual build-up from one film to the next, with each expanding on what came before in terms of ambition, scope and running time.

  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,766MI6 Agent

    Tonight I watched YOLT to James Bond, & Friends' watchalong. It doesn't beat being a part of a watchalong, but their comments are funny, insightful and I even learn some new things.

  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,099MI6 Agent
    edited May 22

    LAWRENCE OF ARABIA is so, so, so very good. Cheers!

    And you make a great point about how FFOD is a good starting point in terms of pacing. It's a comparatively lean film compared to the other two or ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST.

    Speaking of OUATITW, you'll gain a new appreciation for Henry Fonda after watching that film. It may be a 'career best' performance by him and it's pretty amazing that he was willing to let himself get cast against type like that.


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  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 1,104MI6 Agent

    THE GRUDGE (2004)

    An American remake of the cult Japanese shocker Ju-On which benefits from retaining the original director, Takashi Shimizu. Back in the day, I watched the grimy, confusing, original – rented from Blockbusters – and, like most critics and film fans, compared it unfavourably with Ring. When this came out in the cinemas, I went to see it with a girlfriend who sat through it while I eulogised about how gorgeous Sarah Michelle Gellar was. Renata was very generous in allowing me to indulge my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fascination…

    I digress.

    Karen Davis [Gellar] is an exchange student working part time as a care assistant in Tokyo. She visits an eerily infirm lady at a grey, non-descript house, unaware of the building’s murderous past. Strange apparitions materialise almost immediately and these sudden, bizarre, shocking encounters send her into a coma. When she wakes, Karen investigates the past and pieces together the mystery, but remains unable to free the raging souls trapped inside the house.

    The Grudge isn’t so much a horror as a creeping ghost story. There’s a few impressive visuals. The story’s non-linear timeframe is well presented. There was a great scene at the climax where Karen watches a ghost watching a ghost which was brilliantly presented. The photography alternates from being bright and breezy to gloomy and grimy, like the original. The sound editing effects are particularly good. I remember in the cinema auditorium the little boy’s footsteps come at you from all angles. It’s less effective on T.V.

    The movie was a spectacular success in the U.S., although it loses something in its Americanisation. It might have been better if they’d shifted the whole story to the States rather than just import a few actors; even better, just make it with an English speaking Japanese cast. Many of the main protagonists don’t have dialogue anyway and are played by the original cast members. Gellar is rather good, but then she’s had lots of practice from Buffy

     

  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 1,104MI6 Agent

    BUTTERFLY ON A WHEEL (2007)

    What on earth did I just watch?

    Pierce Brosnan plays against type as a horrible man who claims to have kidnapped the daughter of two equally horrible parents played with no skill by Gerard Butler and Maria Bello. Hitchcock did this sort of thing much better and with a dash of humour. It’s such a crass exercise it was retitled for the US market, and again for continental Europe. It’s no surprise the film’s a mess if the producers can’t even figure out a title.

    I felt most sympathy for the child, poor mite, whose saddled with such awful self-obsessed parents.  

  • CoolHandBondCoolHandBond Mactan IslandPosts: 3,908MI6 Agent

    Shade (2003)

    I had never heard of this movie before. It stars Gabriel Byrne and Sylvester Stallone with good support from Jamie Foxx, Thandie Newton, Melanie Griffith and Stuart Townsend. It’s a tale of grifters who bluff and double bluff each other.

    I enjoyed it but always laugh at the poker scenes in this and all other movies which have scenes of poker, in that to add tension, the players say “ I call that.......and raise.......”. This is known as a string bet, if you’re raising the pot you have to state “raise” and then make your play, if you said “call” and then tried to raise you would simply not be allowed to do so.

    Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
  • CoolHandBondCoolHandBond Mactan IslandPosts: 3,908MI6 Agent

    A great western that I missed out is The Big Gundown starring Lee Van Cleef. You need to see the uncut version though as the cut version reverses the whole point of the movie! It also has a superb Ennio Morricone soundtrack.

    Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
  • Golrush007Golrush007 South AfricaPosts: 2,951Quartermasters

    I'll be watching The Big Gundown soon as its currently streaming on the Criterion Channel as a limited engagement. Curiously though, I've noticed that it is presented in Italian with English subtitles. Normally I'm 100% in favour of a film being shown in the language of its origin, however with spaghetti westerns it's a bit of a unique case because they were usually filmed with actors speaking a variety of different languages with the intention of later dubbing into different languages for international distribution. As a result, the often bad dubbing of spaghetti westerns is part of their charm, and as the American west was a largely English-speaking society it doesn't feel quite right to have all the characters speaking Italian. Plus we presumably don't get to hear Lee Van Cleef's distinctive voice. Have you guys ever watched spaghetti westerns in Italian, and what are your thoughts? Does it affect the viewing experience much?

  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,065MI6 Agent

    What's going on with imdb ? It just isn't the same anymore.

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