Who's Eating Their Words?

General_OurumovGeneral_Ourumov United KingdomPosts: 861MI6 Agent
Casino Royale? Fair choice

Martin Campbell? Good choice

Paul Haggis? Good choice

No Moneypenny? Bad Choice

No Q? Not necessarily a bad choice

Daniel Craig? I'm not disappointed, I'm going to wait and see.

I'm not making any judgements until I've left the cinema, after having seen it.

The above is the post I made after hearing that Daniel Craig was to be the new James Bond (14/10/2005).

Keeping an open mind meant that, after having seen the film and very much enjoyed it, I didn't have to face people telling me "I told you so".

Is there anyone on AJB who was absolutely seething with anger at the thought of Craig playing 007, or anyone who was ecstatic at the news? Perhaps you can find your original responses to the news as I have -- have things changed now, having seen Casino Royale?

Comments

  • MI-6 AGENT 003MI-6 AGENT 003 Posts: 53MI6 Agent
    I wasn't "seething with anger" but I'll admit I didn't want Daniel Craig as Bond. I'm definetely of a changed opinion now. I thought he was brilliant!
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    I was indifferent about Craig being Bond...and after seeing CR, I can still take him or leave him. I am, however, incredibly, disappointed in Paul Haggis. I was expecting much more than what I got from him.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    I've been supportive of him from the beginning, though with increasing enthusiasm the more I saw of him. Now, I'm absolutely thrilled that he was chosen for James Bond.
  • delliott101delliott101 Posts: 115MI6 Agent
    I'm eating my words... after buying into everything on the CnB site, I'm a believer.

    ALTHOUGH they should dye his hair (Dyed Another Day?) and let it grow a little so it can be styled... but he was very Connery-like.
  • FightingIrishFightingIrish Posts: 31MI6 Agent
    edited November 2006
    I was slightly skeptical about Craig's hiring when it happened, though I wasn't very familiar with his work. I had only seen him in Tomb Raider. But I had faith in EON, since they know this franchise better than anyone, and make most of their mistakes when they stay too close to formula (i.e. DAD).

    Curious, I went out and bought a copy of "Layer Cake" from the local video store. I was floored. It's a great movie and Craig is great in it. After seeing it, I figured out which direction they wanted to take Bond. I couldn't wait.

    Thought leaving out Q and Moneypenney was a bit odd, but reserved judgement for after I saw the finished product.

    Martin Campbell? He did a great job with "Goldeneye".

    Thought bringing back Dame Judi as M was a good idea. She's great in the role and that's fine with me. I'm not bothered by the continuity issues in the franchise. First, I'd have to buy the fact that after 45 years of movies, Bond was still only 38 years old. I decided to leave my brain at the door. Same with making CR. I thought it was high time they put the memory of that 1967 piece o' crap away for good.

    Haggis was a great choice. Hell, the guy wins Oscars practically every year! Bringing in a script doctor was a good call. There's quite a few Bond scripts that could have used some cleaning up. And I do like the smoother pacing and snappier dialogue in CR.

    Overall, the movie was even better than I expected, and I expected it to be good anyway. A job well done!
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Re: Martin Campbell. I was probably hardest on him, as I've always thought that "Goldeneye" was a bland Bond entry, directed like a made-for-cable TV production. But he outdid himself with "Casino Royale." Dare I say, he's legitimately a director.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,818MI6 Agent
    I felt they could have chosen other actors who looked more like the conventional perseption of Bond and are good actors too (Dominic West, Hugh Jackman). But I knew Craig was a wonderfull actor, and I had seen "Layer Cake". I also felt that the producers must have seen something special in his screentests since they went with such an unconventional choise. So I decided to wait till I had seen CR. If he was bad in it, I would have joined CnB or something. But he turned out to be brilliant in CR, so thank good I didn't end up in CnB!

    Dench was very good in the previous Bonds, but I felt it was wrong to use her in CR for continuity reasons. It still doesn't work if you think cronology, but she is such a perfect counterweight to Craig they havce to keep her now.

    Campbell was the weak link to me, based on his "average" work so far. I wanted them to hire Davids Fincher, Mike Newell, Peter Weir or Martin Scorcese. Not all of them are Commonwealth, but they are acomplished directors who could make very good Bond-movies. I still think they should hire people like that, but I see the problem of using a too mindstrong and individualistic- minded director. But Campbell was the one I hade to say excuse me to. He was very much up to teh task!
  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    I didn't post much on CR or the Craig announcement. Once it became clear that Brosnan was leaving, I was hoping his replacement would be Hugh Jackman. I had never seen Daniel Craig in anything -- nor Mikkelsen, Green or Murino -- so I took a "wait and see" approach on him, and on the film in general. On the positive side, I liked the idea of a reboot (although didn't really know what it would entail) and I knew that Giannini and Wright were excellent character actors. The two things that worried me during the lead-up were the choice of Campbell as director (I'm not a big GE fan) and the casting of Dame Judi as M in a reboot. Other than that, I really tried to insulate myself from any news, and I found the AJB CR forum to be quite tedious with all the pro- and anti- wars (although I recognize that debates like that serve a purpose on sites like this).

    In the end, I loved the film, and even my ingoing fears were proven groundless. However, I don't have any words to eat -- nor am I entitled to any "told ya so" attitude -- because I really never ventured an opinion pre-release.
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    I was dumbfounded that EON cast Craig: he was my first and only choice for Bond, but EON has gone nearly 4 decades making Bond more and more the opposite of how I envision him, so that they went with "my" guy left me floored. Of course when I got up I did some backflips. :D

    With Campbell directing, I was nervous, not a GE fan either. But CR is pretty much the film I'd hoped it would be, and Craig does indeed make a great Bond.
  • Moore Not LessMoore Not Less Posts: 1,095MI6 Agent
    blueman wrote:
    With Campbell directing, I was nervous, not a GE fan either. But CR is pretty much the film I'd hoped it would be, and Craig does indeed make a great Bond.

    Interesting that you were nervous about Martin Campbell, blue. To begin with, he was about the only positive that I could see in relation to Casino Royale. I could not see Daniel Craig as Bond (more so as a rookie), I saw him more as a Bond villain. I did not like the "half-arsed" idea of the re-boot with Judi Dench as M.

    No Q, no Moneypenny, wasn't that bothered provided they were not missing permanently. No gadgets, ditto. Moving the gunbarrel, not happy about that at all. Paul Haggis, I was neutral. Didn't know much about him or his work.

    Yes, I have had to eat some of my words, but I'm not complaining.
  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    I don't mind eating my "oh no, it's Campbell!" words either. He did a great job.

    When the whole Craig debate was raging, there were other words--not about Craig, but more about others' POVs--I'd take back if I could. As a long-time member stated not too long ago, Bond belongs to us all. I think that tends to get lost around here, and I've had my mind-slip moments, sure.

    I think a caveat I'd add to the Bond belongs to us all comment is, to varying degrees, and we'd all be wise to be mindful of that when posting. 2 cents.
  • Moore Not LessMoore Not Less Posts: 1,095MI6 Agent
    blueman wrote:
    I don't mind eating my "oh no, it's Campbell!" words either. He did a great job.

    When the whole Craig debate was raging, there were other words--not about Craig, but more about others' POVs--I'd take back if I could. As a long-time member stated not too long ago, Bond belongs to us all. I think that tends to get lost around here, and I've had my mind-slip moments, sure.

    I think a caveat I'd add to the Bond belongs to us all comment is, to varying degrees, and we'd all be wise to be mindful of that when posting. 2 cents.

    Yes, the whole Craig debate was very intense at times, too intense. I admire your honesty in regards to taking back some of your your words. I am sure you are not the only one.

    I also admire the way you stuck up for and defended Danny boy at a time when it appeared you were blowing against an avalanche. Kudos to you.

    Indeed, Bond belongs to us all.
  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    Well thanks MNL, but I wasn't always at my best. Working on it...
  • s96024s96024 Posts: 1,519MI6 Agent
    I always thought he'd be good, but he was even better than i'd thought. He must have done a good job for so many people to admit they were wrong.
  • jamesbondagent007jamesbondagent007 Divided States of TrumpPosts: 236MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Re: Martin Campbell. I was probably hardest on him, as I've always thought that "Goldeneye" was a bland Bond entry, directed like a made-for-cable TV production. But he outdid himself with "Casino Royale." Dare I say, he's legitimately a director.

    I agree. I really like Goldeneye, but not necessarily because of its directing. I just appreciated the story and characters. And since that was really Martin Campbell's only good film, I've never really seen him as a true 'director' who, when you can refer to him by name, has a filmmaking style that pops into your head. Now, he has become legitimate, as you say, and Casino Royale is his masterpiece.
  • Thomas CrownThomas Crown Posts: 119MI6 Agent
    I didn't post much on CR or the Craig announcement. Once it became clear that Brosnan was leaving, I was hoping his replacement would be Hugh Jackman. I had never seen Daniel Craig in anything -- nor Mikkelsen, Green or Murino -- so I took a "wait and see" approach on him, and on the film in general. On the positive side, I liked the idea of a reboot (although didn't really know what it would entail) and I knew that Giannini and Wright were excellent character actors. The two things that worried me during the lead-up were the choice of Campbell as director (I'm not a big GE fan) and the casting of Dame Judi as M in a reboot. Other than that, I really tried to insulate myself from any news, and I found the AJB CR forum to be quite tedious with all the pro- and anti- wars (although I recognize that debates like that serve a purpose on sites like this).

    In the end, I loved the film, and even my ingoing fears were proven groundless. However, I don't have any words to eat -- nor am I entitled to any "told ya so" attitude -- because I really never ventured an opinion pre-release.

    Exceptionally well said. These were my thoughts and attitudes as well.
  • Dan007Dan007 Posts: 12MI6 Agent
    Yes I admit to "eating my words".While I always admired Craig as an actor I didnt think he would be Bond.Having seen the film I think he is the correct choice for Flemmings Bond.He is one Hard Bast**d, with little concern for anything other than getting the job done.As much as I loved Brosnan in the role he would be too lightweight for this Bond.Definatley my favourite Bond now.-{
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Re: Martin Campbell. I was probably hardest on him, as I've always thought that "Goldeneye" was a bland Bond entry, directed like a made-for-cable TV production. But he outdid himself with "Casino Royale." Dare I say, he's legitimately a director.

    I agree. I really like Goldeneye, but not necessarily because of its directing. I just appreciated the story and characters. And since that was really Martin Campbell's only good film, I've never really seen him as a true 'director' who, when you can refer to him by name, has a filmmaking style that pops into your head. Now, he has become legitimate, as you say, and Casino Royale is his masterpiece.
    His first Zorro movie was pretty good, too, but he outdid himself with "Casino Royale."
  • JamesbondjrJamesbondjr Posts: 462MI6 Agent
    I never gave Daniel Craig a thought in the lead up to his casting as Bond, but I was somewhat pleased when he was announced.

    Being a Goldeneye fan I was also pleased when Martin Campbell was signed to direct.

    I would never say 'I told you so' or expect anyone to eat their words though. As was said earlier. 'Bond belongs to us all'. With that in mind everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you don't like an aspect of the Bond series, past or present then that is fair play.

    These so-called 'Bond-fans' over at CnB rile me slightly. Surely any true Bond fan would be excited at the prospect of a new Bond and casting reservations aside would watch it with an open mind, then pass judgement. The people over there are fanatical, bordering on lunacy. It is very disturbing.

    I have great repect for people who weren't sure about Craig as Bond but waited to see him before knocking his performance.
    1- On Her Majesty's Secret Service 2- Casino Royale 3- Licence To Kill 4- Goldeneye 5- From Russia With Love
  • Agent WadeAgent Wade Ann ArborPosts: 321MI6 Agent
    My first opinion on the announcement was curiosity. I hadn't thought of Craig as the Bond type, so I took some interest in learning about the process. I saw photos and made some of my own speculations, but I kept it to myself until I knew exactly what had gone on. And while some maybe wanted a better-known actor to fill the spot, I kept a good bead on my knowledge of history. I simply remembered back when a certain Sean Connery was taken on as James Bond, and the decision to cast him was not so well responded to either. And look how wrong he proved everyone with that.

    A lesson to everyone. Complain about an actor AFTER you have seen the movie. Don't splash the water when you haven't even spent your money yet.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,299MI6 Agent
    I'm decidely anorexic regarding my words (isnt' words a member on this site? Why would I want to eat him? ?:) :s )

    I did think Craig would win me over having seen him in Layer Cake, but I was surprised how much he'd aged since the press conference and as for Campbell, I stand by every critisism of him. Barely a scene goes by without some incongruity or plothole. There is a pretence at serious dialogue in this film, unlike DAD, but I thought it was either cackhanded or badly edited after completion...
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
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