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  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    Nice to see a Holywood A-lister who appreciates shooting recreationally. Normally they are so keen to appease the green/veggie/hybrid driving/tree hugging public - he also had a go with a real hairy-chested man's gun. That Barrett .50 is one hell of a tool. I've used one right out to two thousand metres in the Saudi desert. And I bet the other guys on that range were pretty pleased to have seen James Bond using a ppk for real! :D
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  • Le SamouraiLe Samourai Honolulu, HIPosts: 573MI6 Agent
    Nice to see a Holywood A-lister who appreciates shooting recreationally. Normally they are so keen to appease the green/veggie/hybrid driving/tree hugging public - he also had a go with a real hairy-chested man's gun. That Barrett .50 is one hell of a tool. I've used one right out to two thousand metres in the Saudi desert. And I bet the other guys on that range were pretty pleased to have seen James Bond using a ppk for real! :D

    We're very rare, but green/veggie/hybrid driving/tree hugging shooters and gun owners do exist. I'm one of them (minus the hybrid part).

    One thing I noticed both in the films and in these pictures from the range is that Craig is one of the few Bond actors who actually knows how to hold a pistol.
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  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    Yeah he looks like he knows what he's doing. I thought Brosnan handled his walther well in the pts of Goldeneye, but in later films he does a poor job. RM was rubbish, as was Dalton. Connery seemed to hold it casually, but that was fitting of the time in the earlier films, it doesn't look out of place though, strangely...
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  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    "Yeah he looks like he knows what he's doing. I thought Brosnan handled his walther well in the pts of Goldeneye, but in later films he does a poor job. RM was rubbish, as was Dalton. Connery seemed to hold it casually, but that was fitting of the time in the earlier films, it doesn't look out of place though, strangely..."

    I agree, though would have to say he probably got some serious coaching (As did Brosnan, I'll bet...I picked up the same bit when he was using a pistol in GE. When he was either using an AKS-74U or an AKMS dressed up to look like an AKS-74, you can throw that out the window...). The best firearms handler I've seen on-screen anywhere would probably be Lee Marvin when he was playing it straight, for what that's worth (one of the few individuals in a film I can think of to fire an M3 "Grease Gun" with the stock extended, from the shoulder, and in five round bursts, to say nothing of any time he was handling an M1 Garand or M1911A1).
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  • ke02ewwke02eww USPosts: 2,063MI6 Agent
    Nice to see a Holywood A-lister who appreciates shooting recreationally. Normally they are so keen to appease the green/veggie/hybrid driving/tree hugging public - he also had a go with a real hairy-chested man's gun. That Barrett .50 is one hell of a tool. I've used one right out to two thousand metres in the Saudi desert. And I bet the other guys on that range were pretty pleased to have seen James Bond using a ppk for real! :D

    Very cool pics ...

    Btw TSA how accurate is the Barrett to 2k? ESP in the desert air...
  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    Hah! Depends on who's using it! Two thousand metres is quite a way. After 20 rds or so I was getting centre mass hits on figure 11 targets most times and a few head shots as well as hitting tyres and fuel tanks on the old cars we dragged up. I saw a specialist get head hits 10/10 at 2500m! Like with most rifle and scope set ups, most people can hit the target with a bit of coaching, but the real skill is in knowing all the behind the scene stuff like minute of angle sight compensation, wind speed and variables, elevation and like you say - temperature. What set up works in the desert has to be compenstaed hugely in the Arctic. I used two Barrett on the range a semi-auto and a bolt-action short barrelled version ideal for 1500m. I also practised with tracer rounds putting accurate shots onto the target for heavy automatic weapons to follow with bursts.
    I'm no sniper, but for me I prefer to shoot something like an Accuracy International set up in .308 or .338 magnum and stay around the 600-800m mark. For a start it gets a bit too science past 1000m and besides, the barrett is huge and you have to carry it after all!
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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    Lee Marvin was a decorated combat Marine during WWII and served in the South Pacific. He would know his way around a weapon. As far as Craig is concerned, he's very professional in what he does, whether it's looking right physically or handling a gun. Looking convincing and feeling comfortable with what he is doing makes for a better performance. Plus, it's been reported that he really hit it off with the Royal Marines who pilated the boat he road when they officially anounced him as Bond and does promos for the Royal Marines....that might have had an influence and maybe he just enjoys firearms?
  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    LTK was on tv this afternoon and I had it playing in the background - Dalton drawing the tiny Beretta minx from his shoulder holster was laughable, as was his cocking it with finger wrapped on the trigger... Still a good acting performance though.
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  • ke02ewwke02eww USPosts: 2,063MI6 Agent
    Hah! Depends on who's using it! Two thousand metres is quite a way. After 20 rds or so I was getting centre mass hits on figure 11 targets most times and a few head shots as well as hitting tyres and fuel tanks on the old cars we dragged up. I saw a specialist get head hits 10/10 at 2500m! Like with most rifle and scope set ups, most people can hit the target with a bit of coaching, but the real skill is in knowing all the behind the scene stuff like minute of angle sight compensation, wind speed and variables, elevation and like you say - temperature. What set up works in the desert has to be compenstaed hugely in the Arctic. I used two Barrett on the range a semi-auto and a bolt-action short barrelled version ideal for 1500m. I also practised with tracer rounds putting accurate shots onto the target for heavy automatic weapons to follow with bursts.
    I'm no sniper, but for me I prefer to shoot something like an Accuracy International set up in .308 or .338 magnum and stay around the 600-800m mark. For a start it gets a bit too science past 1000m and besides, the barrett is huge and you have to carry it after all!

    Thx TSA.....The science of the desert shot was what I was talking about....
    100% hit at 2500m is amazing.... Don't upset that guy!

    38lbs is like carrying your 6yr old around on your shoulders!...

    But enjoyed the info....cheers
  • LexiLexi LondonPosts: 3,000MI6 Agent
    Yeah he looks like he knows what he's doing. I thought Brosnan handled his walther well in the pts of Goldeneye, but in later films he does a poor job. RM was rubbish, as was Dalton. Connery seemed to hold it casually, but that was fitting of the time in the earlier films, it doesn't look out of place though, strangely...

    I have to agree with you here.... I have no real experience with guns - although my brothers did have an air rifle and my parents were quite open minded...and I had my fair share of target practice (even at a young age)....And I did once win a shooting competition at one of my brother's sports days - I think the guy running that particular stall was quite surprised, I was about 7 at the time :))

    However, these pics do show him being confident...even though he has reported at not liking guns per se...however like with all things, it's all down to education. It looks like he is doing his research, and getting more 'comfortable' with them. And from an actors prospective, that is vital - to look convicing.
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  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    "Lee Marvin was a decorated combat Marine during WWII and served in the South Pacific. He would know his way around a weapon."

    I did know this. Further, I believe Sam Fuller used him in the film "The Big Red One" to teach the rest of the cast how to correctly handle the Garand. Also, in virtually every film I can think of where he's playing it straight and has a pistol, he points it (correctly) at the ground, not skyward. I can even recall him doing this in a Western with a Colt M1873 SAA, though I can't recall which one!
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Must be part of "The Method " you have to become the gun for the part. :))
    If he was playing a Toilet cleaner he'd be photographed traing with a mop and bucket. :v
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,795MI6 Agent
    "Lee Marvin was a decorated combat Marine during WWII and served in the South Pacific. He would know his way around a weapon."

    I believe Lee Marvin was a sniper and was landed on islands by rubber boats the night before US landings. There are other actors who saw combat during their military servive, such as Michael Caine. Are actors with military service in general better at handling weapons?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I remember watching "Wogan " years ago when Lee Marvin admitted he did get a Purple heart, For being shot in the Ass :))
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  • ke02ewwke02eww USPosts: 2,063MI6 Agent
    I remember watching "Wogan " years ago when Lee Marvin admitted he did get a Purple heart, For being shot in the Ass :))

    That's right TP I remember it well


    Marvin left school to join the United States Marine Corps, serving as a Scout Sniper in the 4th Marine Division.[7] He was wounded in action during the WWII Battle of Saipan, during which most of his platoon were killed. Marvin's wound (in the buttocks) was from machine gun fire, which severed his sciatic nerve.[8] He was awarded the Purple Heart and was given a medical discharge with the rank of Private First Class
    He's buried at Arlington cemetery.

    One of the greats...
  • Le SamouraiLe Samourai Honolulu, HIPosts: 573MI6 Agent
    I hate to go off topic, but speaking of Lee Marvin... If you haven't seen Point Blank, by all means do so. Great film, and a primer in understated manly cool.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,990Quartermasters
    Very nice pics. I miss the target range. One of these days... B-)

    Craig's got a nice command of the hardware. Looks like he's having fun too. What's not to like?
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  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    It would appear that DC is at the least taking the part very seriously.

    It could be to that he has found recreational shooting to be a fun sport as many of us do. It would be nice if it turned out the firearms he was shooting turned up in the film. DC does such a nice job handling the PPK, I would hate to see it replaced by some new fangled plastic pistol that has more in common with a squirt gun than oo7.

    Thanks for posting a very interesting article!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Reminds me of the story about the making of "the marathon man" when in a scene Dustin Hoffman's character hadn't slept. He arrived looking awful Because to get the right look He hadden't slept, To which Sir Lawrence Olivier apparently said,
    " If only you learnt how to act, you wouldn't have to do that, Dear Boy " :))
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  • Le SamouraiLe Samourai Honolulu, HIPosts: 573MI6 Agent
    Reminds me of the story about the making of "the marathon man" when in a scene Dustin Hoffman's character hadn't slept. He arrived looking awful Because to get the right look He hadden't slept, To which Sir Lawrence Olivier apparently said,
    " If only you learnt how to act, you wouldn't have to do that, Dear Boy " :))

    It's not really comparable. For one, everyone knows what it feels like to be tired, so an actor has something to tap into. Not everyone knows what it's like to shoot a gun. And, more importantly, shooting is a skill that has to be learned. If an actor wants to appear believable handling firearms in a film, the only way to do so is to actually handle firearms and learn the proper way to do it. This applies to other skills as well: an actor playing a pianist should at least learn the basics of piano playing, for example. This is very much the approach Michael Mann uses in his films. Exceptions of course made for those playing neurosurgeons.

    And for what it's worth, Hoffman has repeatedly said his conversation with Olivier has been misconstrued and taken out of context.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I have absolutely No idea if the story is true or an urban Myth,Just thought it was an interesting take on different ways of approching a Role. Speaking as someone who has never handled a gun I have no idea who uses it the right way.
    As far as I know thew worst bit of Gun use is in "Plan 9 from outter space" where the cop uses the barrel of his gun to push back his hat, which even I know might be a tad dangerous. :))
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Call that a Gun ?

    http://youtu.be/SBf_w35WeIM :))
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  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    Never come across that calibre before. .577 is in the .50 cal range obviously, but the gun looks far too short and the barrel too light for such a meaty round. And when you know that it's going to kick like that and you're anticipating the "magnum flinch", you're not going to hit a bloody thing anyway!
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I know a Gun of this size, Some men might find intimading, But when your used to handling such big equipment, It ain't no Biggy. I would fire this thing One handed while eating an apple, ( the fruit, and not a Computer) My only regret is it's not an automatic ! Rapid fire is my life :v
    I take on board all your Points TSA,well made as always But, I just like watching people fall over. :))
    You can also tell I know nothing about Guns. :D or "big scary, noisy things" as I call them.
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  • jbholstersjbholsters Posts: 179MI6 Agent
    Craig needs to change his prone positioning when shooting that Barrett. With most rifle calibers your body is at an angle to the rifle. With a 50 you want your body lined up with the bore of the rifle. It really helps control the rifle since the recoil is absorbed straight back and will help with keeping on target for your next shot.
    Pretty cool to see him on a range though:)
  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    I know a Gun of this size, Some men might find intimading, But when your used to handling such big equipment, It ain't no Biggy. I would fire this thing One handed while eating an apple, ( the fruit, and not a Computer) My only regret is it's not an automatic ! Rapid fire is my life :v
    I take on board all your Points TSA,well made as always But, I just like watching people fall over. :))
    You can also tell I know nothing about Guns. :D or "big scary, noisy things" as I call them.

    Search youtube for a girl using a .50 pistol. It smacks her square in the forehead. Very funny. :D
    Then refine your search to girls shooting guns in bikinis. I found this a bit odd, but now find it strangely arrousing... :v
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) The girl with the .50 Pistol is Funny. as for the Girls in bikinis with guns fun, But couldn't they of worked in a few sports cars as well to cover all the bases. :))
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