Considering it took four years for Skyfall to see the light of day....

JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
edited December 2011 in Skyfall - Bond 23 (2012)
I hope the next two Bond movies are rushed faster into production than The Flash on a coke binge....Because that's the one thing I've hated about the James Bond series ever since it has fallen under Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson's control, the delays. I hate delays. I've hated the court delay that took place after Licence to Kill. I've hated the two years it took for Barbara and Michael to find a new Bond after they fired Pierce and I've hated the four year delay that happened because silly old MGM had financial problems that ended up inconveniencing me.
"Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you." Jor-El ~ Man of Steel (2013)

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  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,749MI6 Agent
    I prefer the shorter gaps as well. Four years is the largest gap there's been right? Tied with the gap from DAD to CR? I assume under normal circumstances they don't want Bond out of the spotlight for that long, especially during one Bond's tenure.
  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    Mr Beech wrote:
    I prefer the shorter gaps as well. Four years is the largest gap there's been right? Tied with the gap from DAD to CR?

    Well, there was a six year gap in-between Licence to Kill and GoldenEye.
    "Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you." Jor-El ~ Man of Steel (2013)
  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,749MI6 Agent
    Mr Beech wrote:
    I prefer the shorter gaps as well. Four years is the largest gap there's been right? Tied with the gap from DAD to CR?

    Well, there was a six year gap in-between Licence to Kill and GoldenEye.

    Ah, okay. Well, that one paid off alright.
  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    Mr Beech wrote:
    Mr Beech wrote:
    I prefer the shorter gaps as well. Four years is the largest gap there's been right? Tied with the gap from DAD to CR?

    Well, there was a six year gap in-between Licence to Kill and GoldenEye.

    Ah, okay. Well, that one paid off alright.

    Depends on who you ask.
    "Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you." Jor-El ~ Man of Steel (2013)
  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,749MI6 Agent
    Mr Beech wrote:

    Well, there was a six year gap in-between Licence to Kill and GoldenEye.

    Ah, okay. Well, that one paid off alright.

    Depends on who you ask.

    Always :))
  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    You know, Michael and Barbara have already had all the time in the world in-between Quantum and Skyfall haven't they? It would be extremely foolhardy, of them to take their sweet time after Skyfall wouldn't it? Because I mean, MGM has already wasted enough of their time as it is, they might as well rush Daniel Craig's Bond tenure to completion after this, if they knew what was good for them!
    "Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you." Jor-El ~ Man of Steel (2013)
  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,749MI6 Agent
    Well, the last time we had a big gap we got Casino Royale.
  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    Mr Beech wrote:
    Well, the last time we had a big gap we got Casino Royale.

    Was that two years or three years? Because I know it took them two years to find a new James Bond actor after they had fired Pierce Brosnan....
    "Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you." Jor-El ~ Man of Steel (2013)
  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,749MI6 Agent
    Well, four between releases.
  • YouknowthenameYouknowthename Carver Media GroupPosts: 500MI6 Agent
    If you like, you can always fund the next movie yourself. So you won't be "inconvenienced" 8-)

    There is nothing more that the producers want than to release Bond movies on a regular basis. However, there are a few studios out there that pull all the strings; even when it concerns a Bond movie. Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson are kind and caring people, so give them a break.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,815MI6 Agent
    I think EON stated that the plan is to release a Bond movie every second year after Skyfall. I have no sources and I might have dreamt it. Can anyone conirm/deny?
  • jasper_lamar_crabbjasper_lamar_crabb Posts: 169MI6 Agent
    I know it took them two years to find a new James Bond actor after they had fired Pierce Brosnan....
    You can't fire someone from a job they don't have. Brosnan signed a contract to do four films. Once he finished Die Another Day, that was it. EON tried to negotiate a fifth film with Brosnan but his terms were ridiculous.
  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,749MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I think EON stated that the plan is to release a Bond movie every second year after Skyfall. I have no sources and I might have dreamt it. Can anyone conirm/deny?

    This is what I assumed was the preferred release schedule. But I also don't have a certain source for thinking it.
  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    edited December 2011
    If you like, you can always fund the next movie yourself. So you won't be "inconvenienced" 8-)

    There is nothing more that the producers want than to release Bond movies on a regular basis. However, there are a few studios out there that pull all the strings; even when it concerns a Bond movie. Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson are kind and caring people, so give them a break.

    Quick note here. It took me a long time to gather up my thoughts by the way. I'm not necessarily mad at Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson but I am mad at the situation because all of these delays seem to happen under Barbara and Michael's watch, now I know it's not their fault and it's just a run of bad luck but time is money in Hollywood and all of those lost years of James Bond not being on the silver screen is time and money lost...When it could have been spent entertaining the people. It almost seems like whenever there's a delay that fate is stepping in to keep another James Bond film from seeing the light of day because it's been like that ever since 1989. It's like having a film series that has gone on for this long, is going against the natural order of things and fate wants to step in, to restore the balance. :))
    "Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you." Jor-El ~ Man of Steel (2013)
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    Babara Broccoli and Michael Wilson have really nothing to do with the delay. This last one was all about MGM's financial problems. You can't even pin the choice of MGM as a partner on Barbara and Michael either. That goes back to Harry Saltzman selling his half of the Bond franchise to United Artists which eventually was taken over by MGM. The late 80's delay was all about litigation involving Sony trying to get rights to make their own Bond films apparently using the Kevin McClory/Thunderball loophole as leverage which goes way back to a mess created by Fleming himself.
  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    Eon makes the films and Danjag owns the copyrights. They deal with the major Hollywood studios like MGM because those companies are the only ones large enough to finance a mass market and distribution package that ensures as many people see the films when they're released as they can afford, as well as rake in as much $$$$ from the merchandising, DVD sales, etc. as quickly as they can. Personally, I love and support independent films because they are truer to the original artists intent usually and not used as a piece of merchandise to profit off of as much as possible. Sure there are some that are forced to use the large studios for distribution when they have to at least make they're budget back, but usually they are only interested in getting people to see their film, not hawk toys and photos and use product placement spots. However, Eon and Danjag are not among those. They are in the group of independents that own a product (Bond), and want to make a ton of money off of it. Now, I'm not saying they don't respect the Bond brand and want to keep it at a high level of quality. It's just that I wished they would tell the majors to take a short jump off a cliff and say to hell with massive profits, and just try to make a quality film. If they have to get the financing using more product placement and private investors..fine. I could stomach having Bond having more bottles of Bollinger or showing off the Aston or whatever tech device he's using with their logos displayed everywhere if it meant severing the financial ties with the majors. At least they could stick to their own shooting schedules, make more films every year or two, actually KEEP an actor around for more than three for four films, and not have to worry about legal battles or financial takeovers, etc. etc..
  • mediapigmediapig Los AngelesPosts: 87MI6 Agent
    All that being said, some of my favorite Bond films have come after extended production / legal delays... The Spy Who Loved me, Goldeneye, and Casino Royale all came after delays of one sort or another, and they are three of my favorites in the series. I've often wondered if they turned out so well because the delays allowed the producers to take more time and craft them with more care. QoS for instance, while entertaining, definitely felt rushed to me compared to Casino Royale.
  • oscar rubiooscar rubio Madrid (Spain)Posts: 286MI6 Agent
    As I do not like this waiting so long, but I do not like to do a James Bond movie a year
  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    mediapig wrote:
    All that being said, some of my favorite Bond films have come after extended production / legal delays... The Spy Who Loved me, Goldeneye, and Casino Royale all came after delays of one sort or another, and they are three of my favorites in the series. I've often wondered if they turned out so well because the delays allowed the producers to take more time and craft them with more care. QoS for instance, while entertaining, definitely felt rushed to me compared to Casino Royale.

    Knowing people in the industry and having been a filmmaker in the past, I can say that there are instances where production delays can sometimes make for a better film. However, in the case of these three Bonds, as far as I know none of the delays actually had anything to do with these films being any better in quality than they would have been. The scripts don't take that long to actually write and even the normal number of post finished script production meetings (where they figure out where to do locations and budgeting the sets and effects in relation to the script, etc). doesn't take long either. All these legal delays and corporate law p*ssing
    contests and takeovers do is delay the shooting schedules. QOS's lack of quality (scripting, editing and directing) was the fault of the director and the writers. The director was not the right one to do a Bond film - he had no prior affiliation with the Bond franchise or previous films and just did not have the kind of pedigree that would qualify him for directing a Bond film. As far as the scripting, I'm afraid that when you have writers working as a team on a single screenplay, and each of them are writing at least one or more other screenplays at the same time, your going to have a lot of conflict and unfocused writing. I've seen it many times. Well, what about CR though. I'll tell you why that screenplay was superior to QOS and it wasn't because of the writers. It was because they had a superior writer helping them, and that was Ian Fleming. There was no Fleming material to help them on QOS, and that's another reason it suffered. In fact, if you look at the whole series, what films are always in the top lists? The ones that were close to Flemings stories or at least used a lot of his material. I touched on this subject in one of my other posts...unless the writers mine Flemings novels for unused scenes or even reuse scenes to use as a touchstone for the spine of their scripts, I'm afraid a lot of the future films will not be of great quality. Even the first half of CR, which was purely invented by the writing team, had really nothing to do with Bond, except for the two killings to become a 00 - and even those were not the way Bond did them in the novels. The first half of that film could have been a script for another Mission Impossible or any other action spy film - it was a number of action set pieces tied together with some scenes of Judi Dench being ticked off or explaining the plot, the villain showing off his credentials, and Craig snooping around some vacation spots. What made it great was the top notch acting - Craig in particular, and the whole story of Bond at the beginning of his career (Fleming, once again), memorable woman lead (Fleming's creation) and memorable villain (Fleming again). Back again to the heart of this post...film delays don't guarantee a production will be crafted with better care. From my experience and looking through the history of film, it more often means the final product ends up being far away from the original creative "spark" of the initial production setup because it creates fatigue amoung the whole production team - including the actors, who get frustrated and antsy and are always looking at the next job (or one they could be doing at the time). It also inflates the budget (which the money people are not happy so see), and in many cases ends up rushing the production to meet some deadline having to do with a seasonal release, which again hurts the quality of the finished film.
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