Time between QoS and Skyfall (Potential Spoilers)

SolarisSolaris Blackpool, UKPosts: 308MI6 Agent
How much time, and how many missions, have happened in between the two films? is the time difference the same 4 years that the audience has had to wait or is it more? or less?

The Bond of Quantum of Solace is still very much the rebellious new recruit, with it being a direct continuation from Casino Royale (despite the gap in between films). whilst in Skyfall, particularly in the scene in M's house. it appears that Bond has been in this game a long time. being much more world weary and needing to reinvigorate himself.

I really really enjoyed Skyfall and I loved the story it was putting forward but I did find it somewhat Jarring trying to match the rebellious, not fully formed, Bond of CR and QoS to this Jaded, lost his way, Bond of now. with characters, like Silva, saying 'is there any of the old 007 left?' when did we actually see 'the old 007'? meaning that the more Bondlike Bond that he appears to become in the closing scenes of the film is New to us as the audience, but is it new in terms of narrative, was this what Bond was like post QoS and Pre Skyfall that we never saw, or was he still the angry man who needed this bruised ego to realign himself?

Comments

  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 587MI6 Agent
    Well Skyfall is obviously set in the near future, 2-5 years anyway , so 6-9 yrs after QOS.
  • SolarisSolaris Blackpool, UKPosts: 308MI6 Agent
    Is it in the near future? or is it an alternate 2012?
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 587MI6 Agent
    Wildcats ,2-5 years in service date. Probably longer knowing Agusta Westland :))
  • Blood_StoneBlood_Stone Posts: 183MI6 Agent
    If you accept the Legends game as canon, the timeline is (not sure of actual years though)

    Casino Royale
    Quantum Of Solace
    Goldeneye
    Goldfinger
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Licence To Kill
    Die Another Day
    Moonraker
    Skyfall
  • lueth2048lueth2048 Posts: 115MI6 Agent
    It seemed to me that Skyfall took place at least a decade after Quantum of Solace.
  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
    A long time and many missions. In Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace Craig's Bond is the rough round the edges rookie. In Skyfall, he is considerably older, experienced, world weary, jaded. As has been stated here and elsewhere, it's like we missed the entire peak of his career as 007.
    Moore Not Less 4371 posts (2002 - 2007) Moore Than (2012 - 2016)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    Moore Than wrote :
    it's like we missed the entire peak of his career as 007.

    This is were we stick the "Please insert the Connery,Lazenby,Moore,Dalton and Brosnan Movies Here " sign :007)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Luck and FateLuck and Fate Posts: 19MI6 Agent
    There are two timeline theories that I see

    Single universe - All the movies take place in the same universe
    Multi universe - Casino Royal splits off the Universe of Dr. No -> DAD

    In single universe, Skyfall would seem to land after DAD. Mostly due to the referenced gadgets and Q scene. This means the female M in Skyfall is same M starting in Goldeneye, and the female M in Casino-Quantum is different. The only thing that kind screws this up is the Monnypenny scene. We could try to explain this as Monnypenny being a code name and she's a new Monnypenny that replaces the old one. The new M at the end likes old fashion padded doors and wood, and redesigns the office, rather quickly i may add :D

    In the multi universe, we see Skyfall after QoS. Since Quantum isn't in the movie, we could say that Bond had a nice long career in taking them down. Then Skyfall happens. This is ruined by the homages to the old movies and Q scene. Well its a new universe but there is some bleeding overlap. So the same DB5 and exploding pens where made in both universes.

    Either way you want to look at it, Skyfall writers weren't trying very hard to keep any sort of continuous timeline, and screwed it all up in just one script. It pretty much all made sense up until Skyfall...
  • Agent007jamestAgent007jamest usaPosts: 163MI6 Agent
    If you accept the Legends game as canon, the timeline is (not sure of actual years though)

    Casino Royale
    Quantum Of Solace
    Goldeneye
    Goldfinger
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Licence To Kill
    Die Another Day
    Moonraker
    Skyfall
    you forgot Bloodstone which happened after QOS but before Legends. But honestly I dont think the games were any consideration upon the film. Though that would fill DC career in nicely :007)
    Just noticed your user name is Blood_Stone so you probably didn't forget it :)) & since I haven't played any of the games I'm sure the omission is correct sorry :D
  • cmdr_bond_007cmdr_bond_007 Posts: 10MI6 Agent
    I interpreted there to be 5-8 year gap between the films. Casino Royale was Bond's beginning and Quantum of Solace is where M learned to trust Bond, and by the end of the film Bond learned to curb some of his brash ways. In the following years he becomes a veteran 00 agent. In Skyfall, he is broken and finds himself again. The ending scene connects with the classic Connery/Moore Bond. Confident, cold, calculated, ladykiller.
    "I think he got the point."
    "Governments change. The lies stay the same."
    "They say you're judged by the strength of your enemies."
  • LukeLuke USAPosts: 99MI6 Agent
    I think this is one of those situations where any attempt at consistency would quickly lead to insanity. The Bond films, just like ancient poems about the roman gods and heroes, are ultimately impossible to systematize. They are films that represent the mythology of Bond, in various incarnations and with little concern for consistency.
    It's all right. It's quite all right, really. She's having a rest. We'll be going on soon. There's no hurry, you see. We have all the time in the world.
  • BodieBodie Posts: 205MI6 Agent
    Must admit I found the jump from QOS - fledgling 00 to SF - cynical and almost burnt out agent a bit jarring. I found the same in Dark Knight Rises when Bruce Wayne is suddenly a crippled recluse.
  • HalconHalcon Zen TemplePosts: 473MI6 Agent
    Moore Than wrote :
    it's like we missed the entire peak of his career as 007.

    This is were we stick the "Please insert the Connery,Lazenby,Moore,Dalton and Brosnan Movies Here " sign :007)

    Not really because those films had a male M, and Skyfall's new M is also male...
    ...wait, I'm getting confused.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    Mabey there always was a Male M, He was just a crossdresser. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • LexiLexi LondonPosts: 2,973MI6 Agent
    sniperUK wrote:
    Wildcats ,2-5 years in service date. Probably longer knowing Agusta Westland :))

    Okay, this comment has been bugging me since you posted...can you explain what you mean by Wildcat?

    Just figured out Augusta Westland is to do with helicopters...(thanks to the link on page 1) but no idea what that has to do with being set in the future...

    If you could enlighten...that would be fab :D

    Ta
    She's worth whatever chaos she brings to the table and you know it. ~ Mark Anthony
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 587MI6 Agent
    The three helicopters that appeared over the island are Agusta Westland Wildcats, the future Lynx replacement for the Royal Navy, to date they are not in service only six have flown and are being tested ,they will not enter service for at least another two years and knowing Wastelands probably longer.
  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,748MI6 Agent
    It definitely seemed like several years at least. They made little attempt to keep his aging toned down, often times trying to make him look older and worn out. They also didn't seem surprised by his hiatus "enjoying death". He was considered ready to start being a double-0 in CR, but in SkyFall Mallory and others seem to think he's past retirement age for an agent.

    So I'd say probably more than 5 at least.

    And I think people are going over the top trying to understand the continuity of Craig's Bond vs. the other Bonds vs. Fleming's Bond. I think the presence of Q's gadgets in the SkyFall script implies no timeline at all, but rather is a simple reference to past films and only humorously implies that MI6 has a history of that stuff, regardless of how we know that.

    I agree with this from above:
    Luke wrote:
    I think this is one of those situations where any attempt at consistency would quickly lead to insanity. The Bond films, just like ancient poems about the roman gods and heroes, are ultimately impossible to systematize. They are films that represent the mythology of Bond, in various incarnations and with little concern for consistency.
  • NeverSayDieNeverSayDie Posts: 495MI6 Agent
    4 years. Bond films are always set in the year they are released.
    I believe the producers have said this in one of the documentaries.
  • DangerMouseDangerMouse Benfleet, EssexPosts: 235MI6 Agent
    4 years. Bond films are always set in the year they are released.
    I believe the producers have said this in one of the documentaries.

    Yeah but I'd set it 6 years after QOS considering the latter followed the events of Casino Royale an one hour later.
  • NeverSayDieNeverSayDie Posts: 495MI6 Agent
    Not nessarly. The very end of Casino could be set two years later.
    All the technology, phones etc set Quantum in 2008.
    Also Mathis now has that house and girlfriend in QoS and looks settled in and talks about the MI6 pay off as the past as opposed to something that happened a few days/weeks ago.
    Also MI6 looks very different.
    It doesn't actually make sense
    if they are set immediately after each other ie. the same year.


    But then again we could also go into the fact that (correct me if I'm wrong) that DC is wearing a
    different suit at the end of Casino than the start of Quantum.
  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,748MI6 Agent
    Not nessarly. The very end of Casino could be set two years later.
    All the technology, phones etc set Quantum in 2008.
    Also Mathis now has that house and girlfriend in QoS and looks settled in and talks about the MI6 pay off as the past as opposed to something that happened a few days/weeks ago.
    Also MI6 looks very different.
    It doesn't actually make sense
    if they are set immediately after each other ie. the same year.


    But then again we could also go into the fact that (correct me if I'm wrong) that DC is wearing a
    different suit at the end of Casino than the start of Quantum.

    I think that certainly makes some sense. He was indeed in a different color car and different clothes on the actors. I think it is most likely that they sacrificed continuity and the story is indeed short pick-up of the end of Casino Royale, but the gap would explain the continuity and leave us wondering what they were doing with White imprisoned for two years and then having Bond move him.

    I think it is most likely that QoS is in 2008, and they disregarded the timing connection that allows the opening to attach to CR. SkyFall, I assume has to be at least the 4 years, but likely more based on the tones and expressions around Bond's career in SkyFall.
  • DangerMouseDangerMouse Benfleet, EssexPosts: 235MI6 Agent
    CR was set in 2006 though due to the surveillance DVD and Vesper's mobile having the date of that year on them. If QOS is set in 2008 due to the technology and phones and it's supposed to follow CR an hour later as DC said, maybe it took Bond something like two years or so to find Mr. White due to the Quantum organisation being in the shadows which would also explain the different coloured car. Can't explain the change in suit between films though.
  • LexiLexi LondonPosts: 2,973MI6 Agent
    sniperUK wrote:
    The three helicopters that appeared over the island are Agusta Westland Wildcats, the future Lynx replacement for the Royal Navy, to date they are not in service only six have flown and are being tested ,they will not enter service for at least another two years and knowing Wastelands probably longer.

    Thank you.

    You learn something new..... -{
    She's worth whatever chaos she brings to the table and you know it. ~ Mark Anthony
  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,748MI6 Agent
    CR was set in 2006 though due to the surveillance DVD and Vesper's mobile having the date of that year on them. If QOS is set in 2008 due to the technology and phones and it's supposed to follow CR an hour later as DC said, maybe it took Bond something like two years or so to find Mr. White due to the Quantum organisation being in the shadows which would also explain the different coloured car. Can't explain the change in suit between films though.

    If the scene at the end of CR was in 2006 and the opening of QoS was 2008, then they have to have disregarded time and continuity for the sake of keeping the story in the present. This is what I assume they did.

    I can't really imagine the explanation for why two years could really have passed between CR and QoS unless for an unknown reason they had Bond moving White for a second time when he was still in their possession.
  • thegreatgallingthegreatgalling Posts: 164MI6 Agent
    What a great thread! This question has been playfully ruminating in my mind since I saw the movie - particularly where it falls among the other Bond movies.

    We know without a doubt that the Craig films were a pseudo reboot. Not an absolutely explicit one, but we were warned that past continuity would not be absolutely secure.

    As my friend Kev says, you really have to enjoy the gambit of movies with a "squinty eye." He means that there is no way for continuity to work at this point, so just sit back and enjoy without over thinking things.

    To be honest, I first questioned the blatant continuity problems that I thought were avoidable. Why cast Dench? But I learned to really enjoy her performance. So I'll use that squinty eye to imagine the GE M is not the same woman.

    Why is he using a P99 in CR? Squinty eye.

    Perhaps someday, we will be treated to a "reboot" that is a period piece. Set in the 60s, at the height of the Cold War, smack in the middle of the Connery time period. That would be really cool. But short of this, no contemporary Bond scenario is going to be 100% continuous. For Heaven's sake, Craig was born 6 years after Dr. No was in theaters. Geopolitically, at some point, some major Bond plots do not work.

    With all that said, along with my squinty eye, I still think it's fun (and possible) to create a timeline that works. If I were ordering the Bond movies, I'd probably list them like this:

    CR
    QoS
    GF
    DN
    FRWL
    TB
    OHMSS* (these two are hopeless together)
    YOLT* (and somewhat interchangeable. I don't like that Bond wouldn't seek revenge in YOLT but it makes more sense that Blofeld's line introducing himself for the first time was "sarcasm" Blofeld not recognizing him in OHMSS)
    TSWLM
    TLD
    GE Pre title sequence
    TMWGG
    LLD
    LTK
    GE
    DAF
    TMWTGG
    TND
    FYEO
    DAD
    SKYFALL
    TWINE
    OP
    Moonraker
    AVTAK
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Skyfall probably happened about 5 years later.

    5 years for an MI6 is a long time. It takes a toll on you.
Sign In or Register to comment.