The PPK

walther p99

Did anyone else notice that Bond doesn't hit anything hes shooting at with the PPK, with the exception of a door lock and fire extinguisher that's right in front of him, not to mention he loses 3 PPK's throughout the film. But i don't think during the evaluation scenes that Bond's shooting was off, i think it was just the PPK ) I know for dramatic purposes they cant have him hit everything he shoots at but i couldn't help but think this is fairly authentic to the accuracy and firepower the PPK has compared to all the Glock 17s in the film. perhaps one of the gun experts could chime in?

JamesBondGuy

I noticed that Bond uses his signature gun with gloves on in Shanghai. He doesn't fire it, but he will be dissapointed if he try )

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JamesBondGuy wrote:

I noticed that Bond uses his signature gun with gloves on in Shanghai. He doesn't fire it, but he will be dissapointed if he try )

hahaha,,

Tecolote

His best shooting is with the Glock 17 on Silva's island(100% hits, I believe, but then that's what the script called for),and he does do pretty well in the inquistion gunfight with the PPK. The PPK is a lot harder to shoot accurately under stress at the ranges shown in the movie,especially in the PTS. My last outing with my PPK was absolutely abysmal, and I haven't fallen off any bridges or been
hit with depleted uranium bullt fragments recently .

Regards,

Tecolote

cdsdss

JamesBondGuy wrote:

I noticed that Bond uses his signature gun with gloves on in Shanghai. He doesn't fire it, but he will be dissapointed if he try )

When was this? I rewatched the movie last night and didn't see any scene in which he used the gun while wearing gloves. He makes a point to take them off before he tries the gun out for the first time, and keeps them off throughout the fight with Patrice.

cdsdss

Tecolote wrote:

His best shooting is with the Glock 17 on Silva's island(100% hits, I believe, but then that's what the script called for),and he does do pretty well in the inquistion gunfight with the PPK. The PPK is a lot harder to shoot accurately under stress at the ranges shown in the movie,especially in the PTS. My last outing with my PPK was absolutely abysmal, and I haven't fallen off any bridges or been
hit with depleted uranium bullt fragments recently .

Regards,

Tecolote

True enough. Another oddity is during the marksmanship test, where, according to the range markings, Bond is firing from 20 meters. Yet, if you look at the actual distance between Bond and the target, he can't be any more than 10 (he covers it pretty quickly when walking).

superado

I think bringing back the PPK was so forced and obligatory to satisfy fan demand as perceived by EON. The PPK should be heralded with fanfare along with Bond's expert marksmanship, instead of seeing something similar to Clint Eastwood's rusty gunman character in the Unforgiven. Then, the "signature gun" gimmick only to work in the same way used in LTK, it seems that Bond lucked out by the way the gun was made idiot-proof, "just in case someone manages to take it away from you." Also, did Bond end up leaving the gun in the Komodo Dragon pit? If yes, so much build up about the PPK's return, which was rendered practically useless.

Mister Greene

The sights on the ppk are not the best I. The world and if you are
gonna carry it for real a trigger job is a must (see a company called cylinder and slide) that being said the ppk is a great gun for 007 to carry though the walther pps may be a better choice in the future.

HowardB

The PPS would seem to be the logical gun for Bond to carry in 2012. However, most of the general movie going public don't really know the difference. Maybe Q Branch will re-arm 007 in 24 with the PPS.

Paperbill

HowardB wrote:

The PPS would seem to be the logical gun for Bond to carry in 2012. However, most of the general movie going public don't really know the difference. Maybe Q Branch will re-arm 007 in 24 with the PPS.

I love the PPK, but the PPS is a better choice and i agree

JamesBondGuy

Yes the PPS is a better weapon and more modern. But the PPS is ugly as ****, and not very elegant compared to the PPK. It's not about how it shoots, it's about how it looks on the screen.

Lexi

cdsdss wrote:

JamesBondGuy wrote:

I noticed that Bond uses his signature gun with gloves on in Shanghai. He doesn't fire it, but he will be dissapointed if he try )

When was this? I rewatched the movie last night and didn't see any scene in which he used the gun while wearing gloves. He makes a point to take them off before he tries the gun out for the first time, and keeps them off throughout the fight with Patrice.

Yeh, this is one of the inconsistancies.... he's got bare hands in the fight with Patrice, but then for some reason he has them on when Patrice is hanging off the edge of the building.

Thunderpussy

I'd say he slipped the gloves Back On, It must of been cold with the window broken.

cdsdss

Mister Greene wrote:

The sights on the ppk are not the best I. The world and if you are
gonna carry it for real a trigger job is a must (see a company called cylinder and slide) that being said the ppk is a great gun for 007 to carry though the walther pps may be a better choice in the future.

I'm not so sure about the trigger job. Yeah, that DA trigger pull is heavy, but it's crisp with almost no slack. I might go with the Crimson Trace grips, just because the sights are so hard to acquire in stress-fire shooting.

+1 on the PPS. No, it's not as elegant as the PPK, but what is? It's certainly no uglier than a Glock. I think the problem with it from a cinematic point-of-view is that without a hammer or manual safety you can't have any sound-effects to accompany it on screen. This may sound silly, but any sound designer will tell you how important accompanying sound effects are. Think of how much less effective that scene in GoldenEye would have been without the hammer-cocking after "No more foreplay," line.

Bond_James_Bond

JamesBondGuy wrote:

I noticed that Bond uses his signature gun with gloves on in Shanghai. He doesn't fire it, but he will be dissapointed if he try )

He definitely takes the gloves off in the car at the beginning of that scene in Shanghai before trying it out.

However in the first official Skyfall picture released by eon he is wearing a pair of gloves in that same scene.

http://www.007.com/bond-is-back/

Thunderpussy

Mabey his gloves also have his palm print imbebed in them.
Sort of thing a young Q would do. Kids these days. )

HowardB

Maybe Bond's next personal protection pistol won't be a Walther. I'm guessing there may be some other small but potent autos out there that may be more appealing looking than the PPS.

HowardB

I need to preface this by saying I know very little about guns. Here are some possible replacements for the PPK that I chose just based upon asthetics, compactness and the ability to fire a potent caliber bullet. If any folks who are well versed on firearms could chime in on them, it would be great.

Beretta PX4 Storm Compact 9mm
Sig 220R Compact 45 cal
Sig 224 Small 9mm

Sig 232 380 (This caught my eye, as it appears (at least cosmetically) to be Sig's modern version of the Walther PPK).

cdsdss

HowardB wrote:

I need to preface this by saying I know very little about guns. Here are some possible replacements for the PPK that I chose just based upon asthetics, compactness and the ability to fire a potent caliber bullet. If any folks who are well versed on firearms could chime in on them, it would be great.

Beretta PX4 Storm Compact 9mm
Sig 220R Compact 45 cal
Sig 224 Small 9mm

Sig 232 380 (This caught my eye, as it appears (at least cosmetically) to be Sig's modern version of the Walther PPK).

They're all good guns (I'm not a Beretta fan, but to each their own), but those are all much larger than the PPK*, and thus defeat the purpose of replacing it. Bond might as well just go back to the P99.

* With the exception of the Sig P232, but I don't think that gun is any better than the PPK. That European-style magazine release is a killer for combat-reloads (makes them damn near impossible), and is now obsolete.

draxhugo

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Tecolote

The lack of an external hammer has never stopped a foley artist or sound effects person from adding it into the scene,usually
with what sounds like a single action revolver being cocked...

Regards,

Tecolote

minigeff

draxhugo wrote:

If I was the kind of guy who would have to rely on a handgun with limited access to gunsmith..I'd go with a CZ75C.

Great reliability,
Great ergonomics,
Not really giving out any intel.

PPK and 380 are a thing of the past.

Speaking from experience, Czech made arms are very very well put together. A BRNO air pistol I have can easily hold its own up against walthers and styrs (typo?) of 3 times the price.

HowardB

Just checked out the CZ website. The CZ 2075 RAMI looks to me like something James Bond would carry....much more classic looking than most of the polymer autos we see today. The website listed it as .40 cal. Forgive my gun ignorance, but how potent would that be compared to a PPK (firing 9mm short as in Skyfall)?

DaltonFan1

I'm no expert on the subject but, if the PPK was standard issue in 1962, surely it's a little obsolete by now. I see no reason why Bond can't have a more modern handgun such as the P99 and still keep the PPK holstered on his ankle or something.

Or, we could have M insist on taking Bond's PPK in return for a new gun like M taking his beretta in DN, and putting the gun in his desk drawer. Then later in the film Bond, in some sort of desperation can grab the gun from M's desk and save MI6, which will once again be under attack. Kind've like the DB5's appearance in SF.

HowardB

P99 is just too big to be concealed (would make more sense stashed in the glovebox of his car).

There has to be a compact auto out there that looks decent that would fit the bill.

JamesBondGuy

Walther P99QA Compact Pistol

minigeff

H&K USP 9mm compact?

draxhugo

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