SPOILER - Has Bond stopped being Jason Bourne and become Bruce Wayne

Bodie

CR and QOS were obviously heavily influenced by Jason Bourne but in SF Bond seems now to be closer to Bruce Wayne:

Dead parents
Unhappy childhood
Psychological issues with both
Kincade a sort of Alfred
The need for a challenging enemy and a crisis to re-energise him and get him back to his former self

Is this just me or does anyone else see it.

Thunderpussy

I think you have a Point, Bodie. Mabey we'll get some Star wars Influences
in the next couple with the next three Star Wars movies getting the gren light.

don p

fleming wrote the books, he wrote about the parents death........long before the caped crusader,,,

Thunderpussy

Batman first appeared in 1939, so He was here before Bond. so He wins )

don p

Thunderpussy wrote:

Batman first appeared in 1939, so He was here before Bond. so He wins )

god dang !!!! lol,,,

Thunderpussy

Fleming seemed to give Bond a pleasant childhood. At the start of OHMSS Bond
thinks back to his childhood and it's all sunshine, sand castles and lemonade.
So I do think they are slightly trying to give Bond a Darker childhood and yet
more personal angst. ( as if he didn't have enough, already ) )

Moore Than

The Bruce Wayne/Dark Knight influence in Skyfall is no coincidence. Sam Mendes has said he was directly inspired by what those films achieved, he goes into some detail in the article below.

Exclusive: Sam Mendes Says He Was "Not At All" Interested In Bond At First, Took Direct Inspiration From Nolan's 'Dark Knight' Films
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/sam-mendes-says-he-was-not-at-all-interested-in-bond-at-first-took-direct-inspiration-from-christopher-nolans-dark-knight-films-20121018?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

zaphod

Thunderpussy wrote:

Fleming seemed to give Bond a pleasant childhood. At the start of OHMSS Bond
thinks back to his childhood and it's all sunshine, sand castles and lemonade.
So I do think they are slightly trying to give Bond a Darker childhood and yet
more personal angst. ( as if he didn't have enough, already ) )

I also seem to remember "tea at other children's houses" which always struck me as a bit sad. Also it's not too far a stretch to imagine that loosing his parents while still a child cannot of been a hoot. As always Fleming is keen to give us enough to flesh out the cipher, but leave room for ambiguity and conjecture (in high falutin lit-crit this makes the Novels 'readerly texts' as not everything is dictated to us) My concern is that too much focus on back story undoes the trick and alters the mythos (if you will, and even if you won't )

walther p99

Ive seen the film 5 times now with different people each viewing and some of my friends pointed out how much it reminded them of Nolan's Batman films, especially the plot device of having Silva escape his cell as if he wanted to be caught all along is ripped directly from the dark knight.

Thunderpussy

As Elvira would put it " I ripped this off... I mean. I was Inspired by " )

Thunderpussy

First Posted by Blackleiter
http://news.moviefone.com/scott-mendelson/skyfall-bond-girls_b_2170456.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment&ir=Entertainment

The World Is Not Enough dealt with Bond more-or-less falling in love with what should have been a random conquest, which of course makes her betrayal sting all the more. Chris Nolan obviously liked this idea, since he borrowed it for The Dark Knight Rises.

Nice to see the "Inspiration " Works both ways. )

superado

I didn't notice the similarities until someone pointed it out. It seemed that begining with the reboot, there already was an effort to go to Bond's roots but of course it needed to be sensationalized...Vesper didn't merely poison herself, she had to die by drowning, in a cage elevator, in a collapsing building, in Venice, Italy. Bond's dead parents, whose demise albeit exotic was a brief mention in the novels is something just too good to not exploit in the film series and I won't be surprised if sometime later they build up a sinister and complex backstory behind their death, just as John Pearson did in the Authorized Biography of 007.

In Skyfall, yes, very Batman and yet with the possible attempt at the Bond version of Wayne Manor, an estate in the Scottish Moors was pretty neat.

Thunderpussy

Far from Batman, Bond seems to be a Bit Like " Bob the Builder"
Given the amount of Construction equipment he knows how to drive.
Did he spend a gap year working on a few Building Sites. )

Gassy Man

zaphod wrote:

Thunderpussy wrote:

Fleming seemed to give Bond a pleasant childhood. At the start of OHMSS Bond
thinks back to his childhood and it's all sunshine, sand castles and lemonade.
So I do think they are slightly trying to give Bond a Darker childhood and yet
more personal angst. ( as if he didn't have enough, already ) )

I also seem to remember "tea at other children's houses" which always struck me as a bit sad. Also it's not too far a stretch to imagine that loosing his parents while still a child cannot of been a hoot. As always Fleming is keen to give us enough to flesh out the cipher, but leave room for ambiguity and conjecture (in high falutin lit-crit this makes the Novels 'readerly texts' as not everything is dictated to us) My concern is that too much focus on back story undoes the trick and alters the mythos (if you will, and even if you won't )

If I recall correctly, that whole passage is also supposed to show the contrast between how a child sees the world and how an adult sees the very same scene. Bond as an adult seems the dirtiness of the beach and the scrubby-ness of the children, something that would escape a child, even one who, perhaps, had a less-than-ideal childhood.

Number24

I don't think the simulareties between Nolan's Batman and Skyfall aren't too strong. Batman doesn't have a monopoly on being an orphan in a manor and an elderly male mentor.
I also don't think Skyfall went too far in changing and exploiting Bond's childhood story. It was Jeffrey Deaver who did that

jeffch

don p wrote:

fleming wrote the books, he wrote about the parents death........long before the caped crusader,,,

Actually Batman was first

Blood_Stone

James Bond got the reboot idea from the Batman franchise.

The Dark Knight nodded 007 by using The Skyhook and the knife shoe.

The nod was returned with The Bond having to confront The Silva.

perdogg

Bodie wrote:

CR and QOS were obviously heavily influenced by Jason Bourne but in SF Bond seems now to be closer to Bruce Wayne:

Dead parents
Unhappy childhood
Psychological issues with both
Kincade a sort of Alfred
The need for a challenging enemy and a crisis to re-energise him and get him back to his former self

Is this just me or does anyone else see it.

Waiting for the 'Bond' signal?

perdogg

Bodie wrote:

CR and QOS were obviously heavily influenced by Jason Bourne but in SF Bond seems now to be closer to Bruce Wayne:

Dead parents
Unhappy childhood
Psychological issues with both
Kincade a sort of Alfred
The need for a challenging enemy and a crisis to re-energise him and get him back to his former self

Is this just me or does anyone else see it.

http://n007.thegoldeneye.com/film_commentary/skyfall_review.html#007_no_more

CmdrAtticus

Thunderpussy wrote:

Fleming seemed to give Bond a pleasant childhood. At the start of OHMSS Bond
thinks back to his childhood and it's all sunshine, sand castles and lemonade.
So I do think they are slightly trying to give Bond a Darker childhood and yet
more personal angst. ( as if he didn't have enough, already ) )

I think he was thinking about outings with his parents during coastal holidays, which would have been a treat compared with living at Skyfall, though it's possible he disliked it mostly because it was so remote and he would have not had any friends his age to play with. It must have been a relief to him after they passed when his aunt took him in and the moved to Kent.

Cubby

Bodie wrote:

CR and QOS were obviously heavily influenced by Jason Bourne but in SF Bond seems now to be closer to Bruce Wayne:

Dead parents
Unhappy childhood
Psychological issues with both
Kincade a sort of Alfred
The need for a challenging enemy and a crisis to re-energise him and get him back to his former self

Is this just me or does anyone else see it.

You forgot to mention that he also has a cavernous secret tunnel under his family manor.

Charmed & Dangerous

Cubby wrote:

Bodie wrote:

CR and QOS were obviously heavily influenced by Jason Bourne but in SF Bond seems now to be closer to Bruce Wayne:

Dead parents
Unhappy childhood
Psychological issues with both
Kincade a sort of Alfred
The need for a challenging enemy and a crisis to re-energise him and get him back to his former self

Is this just me or does anyone else see it.

You forgot to mention that he also has a cavernous secret tunnel under his family manor.

And a magnificent car packed full of gadgets...

Silhouette Man

I think the current Bond is influenced by Fleming's work - he came first, the character second.

perdogg

The scene in Shanghai where Bond is holding Patrice and Patrice eventually falls actually reminded me of the seen in Cloud City in "The Empire Strikes Back". I thought Bond was going to say "...Patrice - I am Your Faaather" )

Barbel

Surprising that the Caped Crusader's influence should have taken this long to appear in the Bond movies when their producer and sometime writer really is the "Son of Batman"..... http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/21717/the-7-actors-who-have-played-batman

perdogg

Thunderpussy wrote:

Far from Batman, Bond seems to be a Bit Like " Bob the Builder"
Given the amount of Construction equipment he knows how to drive.
Did he spend a gap year working on a few Building Sites. )

I love it, very funny! )