Interesting read... Although Welsh makes a good point, not sure how much we can believe.
Very surprised that they brought Purvis and Wade back if true. Not surprised they would accept the return offer. They have a good relationship with the Broccoli's and their careers are almost exclusively related to Bond.
I had and to this point still have great faith in Logan. Most of Skyfall seems to be attributed to him.
Lets just hope this doesn't delay filming any further than December or we might be seeing a release date push back
As welshboy says, this publication isn't the most reliable source. I'm wondering though exactly how much rewriting P&W are expected to do- a quick polish or a complete overhaul?- and to what extent MGW (who hasn't been credited as a writer since LTK, 25 years ago) gets involved these days.
And lastly, this situation is nothing new. Richard Maibaum commented, at the time of FYEO's release, that it was common for other writers to be brought in either before (eg TMWTGG) or after (eg GF) his work.
james362001Lancaster, California USAPosts: 338MI6 Agent
If my memory serves me right. The script for Quantum of Solace had to be turned in by November 1, 2007, if it was going to be made at all because of the in-coming Writer's Strike. So Quantum of Solace ended up being a quickie and it suffered.
I believe Purvis and Wade can do miracles with a script. Maybe they won't need to delay the filming of the movie after all. They have began a movie in January or February before.
We will have to wait 3 d*mn years for this new movie, I don't want to wait any longer. Waiting for Star Wars: Episode VII is bad enough.
Interesting read... Although Welsh makes a good point, not sure how much we can believe.
Very surprised that they brought Purvis and Wade back if true. Not surprised they would accept the return offer. They have a good relationship with the Broccoli's and their careers are almost exclusively related to Bond.
I had and to this point still have great faith in Logan. Most of Skyfall seems to be attributed to him.
Lets just hope this doesn't delay filming any further than December or we might be seeing a release date push back
"Purvis and Wade have been asked to ‘punch up’ the script and sprinkle in more gags, emphasising the witty repartee between Daniel Craig’s 007 and Naomie Harris’s Miss Moneypenny..."
No bad thing as long as it's not sledgehammer humour - the lines in Skyfall are about right IMO. And a script that's not too dour and helps move along the plot would be a good thing (the sense of fun in M:I.4 Ghost Protocol is a good example) would be great.
"...and focusing on the interplay between Bond and Ralph Fiennes’s M."
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,578Chief of Staff
I'm not convinced that Purvis & Wade are good at producing a finished screenplay...they seem better at getting the story in place and then leaving it to others to 'polish' it up - especially the dialogue !
If it's true - and it's a big IF - can't say I'm happy about it...would much have preferred Paul Haggis !
The problem with Purvis/Wade, as I see it, is that they can't put together a decent plot. In DAD, TWINE, and QS, the plots stank. CR was 75% Fleming with a few action scenes (which they're good at) thrown in. SF had a good plot and I attribute that to Logan (certainly the plotting on Penny Dreadful is very good).
My sense is that Purvis and Wade have brought in to script a few set-piece action scenes.
I agree with Sir Miles and Gala Brand -{ Purvis and Wade can come up
With some excellent set pieces, but dialogue isn't one of their strong points.
I also think "Penny Dreadful " is very well plotted.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
The problem with Purvis/Wade, as I see it, is that they can't put together a decent plot. In DAD, TWINE, and QS, the plots stank. CR was 75% Fleming with a few action scenes (which they're good at) thrown in. SF had a good plot and I attribute that to Logan (certainly the plotting on Penny Dreadful is very good).
My sense is that Purvis and Wade have brought in to script a few set-piece action scenes.
IMHO Casino Royale was 20% Fleming at best. The first hour of the movie didn't have anything from the novel in it and the second half not as much as most people seem to think.
On topic: To quote a funny James Bond podcast from a few years ago: Purvis, Wade, Grrrrr! I'm not sure why EON decided to go back to these two when it might have been good to have someone new take a look at it.
IMHO Casino Royale was 20% Fleming at best. The first hour of the movie didn't have anything from the novel in it and the second half not as much as most people seem to think.
I'd go for 40-50% overall. The main characters and their relationships (Bond, Vesper, Le Chiffre, Leiter, Mathis, M), the thrust behind the plot (Le Chiffre has gambled his employers money and must get it back or die- he chooses to gamble at Casino Royale), etc etc- I could elaborate but you already know- all come from Fleming, even down to dialogue (or paraphrases of it anyway).
And that's a far higher proportion of original Fleming than any film since.... 1981?
It's worrying news if filming doesn't start until December. How long will they keep cast and crew news secret? How long will threads such as this one get? How many mentally unsound "news reports" will pop up in the media? How long will Thunderpussy be able to think of new jokes and double entendres? And most importantly: Will I still be able to find new Scandinavian actresses to suggest for Bond girls for so many months? These are hard times ...
It might be time to put my comparison between the novel and the movie of Casino Royale online. Almost 8 years in the making )
Here's my breakdown of Fleming's novel-
Le Chiffre, who is in charge of some shady people's money, has invested it in an enterprise that has failed disastrously. His colleagues won't hesitate to kill him if he doesn't replace it fast. He sets up a high-stakes card game at the titular casino to get the money back and is ruthlessly determined to win by fair means or foul.
M does not want Le Chiffre simply killed but wants him beaten at the card table and selects James Bond, who has a reputation as a card player, to play against him and win. Bond's local contact is Rene Mathis, and Vesper Lynd is sent also- she and Bond will fall in love during the story. At the casino, Bond meets Felix Leiter who has been sent by the CIA who are also interested in Le Chiffre. Bond and Felix become lasting friends.
Le Chiffre tries underhand methods to prevent Bond from winning. Bond overcomes Le C's plans, but is nonetheless beaten and financially wiped out. Leiter comes to Bond's monetary aid and 007 goes on to win the game and the money.
Bond and Vesper share a late supper to celebrate but she is called away by a fake message from Mathis, bundled into Le Chiffre's car and driven off- Le C knows that Bond will follow, and forces Bond's car to crash. Dazed, Bond is easily tied up by Le C's men and taken with Vesper to a remote location. Bond is tortured (naked, bottomless chair, ouch) but does not give in and allow Le C the money. Just as Le Chiffre is about to, er, end 007's romantic prospects a representative of his employers bursts in and shoots him (and his men).
Bond recovers in medical care, with Vesper and Mathis in attendance. He and Vesper go off for a bit of sun sea and sex, but she is disturbed by spotting a one-eyed man named Gettler and at the end commits suicide since she has been a double agent, blackmailed by supposed captors of her previous lover. "The bitch is dead now" says Bond.
I think round about now we should be getting more details of a confirmed cast, especially the villain. It's a tad worrying that Purvis and Wade need to polish up the script. Due to the success of Skyfall it seems like maybe this one is really being forced to top it and thats probably not a good thing. Whatever the script turns out to be I think they deafinately need to make it a more light hearted story with more humour without over doing it.
It might be time to put my comparison between the novel and the movie of Casino Royale online. Almost 8 years in the making )
Here's my breakdown of Fleming's novel-
Le Chiffre, who is in charge of some shady people's money, has invested it in an enterprise that has failed disastrously. His colleagues won't hesitate to kill him if he doesn't replace it fast. He sets up a high-stakes card game at the titular casino to get the money back and is ruthlessly determined to win by fair means or foul.
M does not want Le Chiffre simply killed but wants him beaten at the card table and selects James Bond, who has a reputation as a card player, to play against him and win. Bond's local contact is Rene Mathis, and Vesper Lynd is sent also- she and Bond will fall in love during the story. At the casino, Bond meets Felix Leiter who has been sent by the CIA who are also interested in Le Chiffre. Bond and Felix become lasting friends.
Le Chiffre tries underhand methods to prevent Bond from winning. Bond overcomes Le C's plans, but is nonetheless beaten and financially wiped out. Leiter comes to Bond's monetary aid and 007 goes on to win the game and the money.
Bond and Vesper share a late supper to celebrate but she is called away by a fake message from Mathis, bundled into Le Chiffre's car and driven off- Le C knows that Bond will follow, and forces Bond's car to crash. Dazed, Bond is easily tied up by Le C's men and taken with Vesper to a remote location. Bond is tortured (naked, bottomless chair, ouch) but does not give in and allow Le C the money. Just as Le Chiffre is about to, er, end 007's romantic prospects a representative of his employers bursts in and shoots him (and his men).
Bond recovers in medical care, with Vesper and Mathis in attendance. He and Vesper go off for a bit of sun sea and sex, but she is disturbed by spotting a one-eyed man named Gettler and at the end commits suicide since she has been a double agent, blackmailed by supposed captors of her previous lover. "The bitch is dead now" says Bond.
As far as I can see, all of that is in the film.
You missed quite a few things that are in the novel that didn't make it into the film. The bombing with the camera cases and Mathis and Bond in Bond's hotel room with the radio to name just two.
I never got the feeling from the movie that Bond and Leiter really struck up a friendship. They have about 20 seconds of dialog during the movie (Brother from Langley, Bleeding chips, Do we look like we need the money) and it is never implied that they had more contact off screen. The great drinking scene from the novel was totally omitted.
So yes, a lot of the broad lines of the novel made the movie but the details that make the Fleming novels so interesting are not to be found in the movie.
But this is going off topic. I will make a new topic in The James Bond Films within the next few days to discuss this.
A lot of details from any novel don't make it into a film version. My point is that a fair chunk of Fleming's CR novel is in the film- you say it's about 20% while I think it's higher than that. I'm attempting to illustrate how much of the novel (I wouldn't call it broad strokes, but the basic spine of the plot together with the main characters and several specifics) is the same as the film.
I didn't miss the camera incident. As a screenwriter does, I selected which details to use, and grouped the camera bomb with the walking stick gun as "underhand methods".
However, you are correct to say that this is off-topic and I look forward to further discussion later.
I have posted on another thread that I do prefer the Bond films that either
Stick ( as much as possible ) to Fleming or at least ( which might be CR )
Stick to the spirit of Fleming.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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Oh well they did a good job with CR and a few others so maybe not a bad thing
Very surprised that they brought Purvis and Wade back if true. Not surprised they would accept the return offer. They have a good relationship with the Broccoli's and their careers are almost exclusively related to Bond.
I had and to this point still have great faith in Logan. Most of Skyfall seems to be attributed to him.
Lets just hope this doesn't delay filming any further than December or we might be seeing a release date push back
And lastly, this situation is nothing new. Richard Maibaum commented, at the time of FYEO's release, that it was common for other writers to be brought in either before (eg TMWTGG) or after (eg GF) his work.
I believe Purvis and Wade can do miracles with a script. Maybe they won't need to delay the filming of the movie after all. They have began a movie in January or February before.
We will have to wait 3 d*mn years for this new movie, I don't want to wait any longer. Waiting for Star Wars: Episode VII is bad enough.
No bad thing as long as it's not sledgehammer humour - the lines in Skyfall are about right IMO. And a script that's not too dour and helps move along the plot would be a good thing (the sense of fun in M:I.4 Ghost Protocol is a good example) would be great.
"...and focusing on the interplay between Bond and Ralph Fiennes’s M."
Hmm - not so sure we need too much interplay....
If it's true - and it's a big IF - can't say I'm happy about it...would much have preferred Paul Haggis !
Oh, somebody's trying to get attention.
My sense is that Purvis and Wade have brought in to script a few set-piece action scenes.
With some excellent set pieces, but dialogue isn't one of their strong points.
I also think "Penny Dreadful " is very well plotted.
IMHO Casino Royale was 20% Fleming at best. The first hour of the movie didn't have anything from the novel in it and the second half not as much as most people seem to think.
On topic: To quote a funny James Bond podcast from a few years ago: Purvis, Wade, Grrrrr! I'm not sure why EON decided to go back to these two when it might have been good to have someone new take a look at it.
I'd go for 40-50% overall. The main characters and their relationships (Bond, Vesper, Le Chiffre, Leiter, Mathis, M), the thrust behind the plot (Le Chiffre has gambled his employers money and must get it back or die- he chooses to gamble at Casino Royale), etc etc- I could elaborate but you already know- all come from Fleming, even down to dialogue (or paraphrases of it anyway).
And that's a far higher proportion of original Fleming than any film since.... 1981?
For new actresses
I don't think TP will run out of posts like this one soon. Perhaps I will find it harder to find more blonde actresses?
Here's my breakdown of Fleming's novel-
Le Chiffre, who is in charge of some shady people's money, has invested it in an enterprise that has failed disastrously. His colleagues won't hesitate to kill him if he doesn't replace it fast. He sets up a high-stakes card game at the titular casino to get the money back and is ruthlessly determined to win by fair means or foul.
M does not want Le Chiffre simply killed but wants him beaten at the card table and selects James Bond, who has a reputation as a card player, to play against him and win. Bond's local contact is Rene Mathis, and Vesper Lynd is sent also- she and Bond will fall in love during the story. At the casino, Bond meets Felix Leiter who has been sent by the CIA who are also interested in Le Chiffre. Bond and Felix become lasting friends.
Le Chiffre tries underhand methods to prevent Bond from winning. Bond overcomes Le C's plans, but is nonetheless beaten and financially wiped out. Leiter comes to Bond's monetary aid and 007 goes on to win the game and the money.
Bond and Vesper share a late supper to celebrate but she is called away by a fake message from Mathis, bundled into Le Chiffre's car and driven off- Le C knows that Bond will follow, and forces Bond's car to crash. Dazed, Bond is easily tied up by Le C's men and taken with Vesper to a remote location. Bond is tortured (naked, bottomless chair, ouch) but does not give in and allow Le C the money. Just as Le Chiffre is about to, er, end 007's romantic prospects a representative of his employers bursts in and shoots him (and his men).
Bond recovers in medical care, with Vesper and Mathis in attendance. He and Vesper go off for a bit of sun sea and sex, but she is disturbed by spotting a one-eyed man named Gettler and at the end commits suicide since she has been a double agent, blackmailed by supposed captors of her previous lover. "The bitch is dead now" says Bond.
As far as I can see, all of that is in the film.
You missed quite a few things that are in the novel that didn't make it into the film. The bombing with the camera cases and Mathis and Bond in Bond's hotel room with the radio to name just two.
I never got the feeling from the movie that Bond and Leiter really struck up a friendship. They have about 20 seconds of dialog during the movie (Brother from Langley, Bleeding chips, Do we look like we need the money) and it is never implied that they had more contact off screen. The great drinking scene from the novel was totally omitted.
So yes, a lot of the broad lines of the novel made the movie but the details that make the Fleming novels so interesting are not to be found in the movie.
But this is going off topic. I will make a new topic in The James Bond Films within the next few days to discuss this.
I didn't miss the camera incident. As a screenwriter does, I selected which details to use, and grouped the camera bomb with the walking stick gun as "underhand methods".
However, you are correct to say that this is off-topic and I look forward to further discussion later.
I have posted on another thread that I do prefer the Bond films that either
Stick ( as much as possible ) to Fleming or at least ( which might be CR )
Stick to the spirit of Fleming.