I never thought about it, but your point is well-taken. And I agree that Brosnan is generally fine as Bond, but the scripts are a problem.
Its what I have been saying from the beginning. Brosnan was passable but scripts and directors let him down.
This is a bunch of hooey. The scripts let MOST of the actors down. Bond has thrived on spectacle & charisma throughout the series. A very few scripts let the actors shine. Brosnan's scripts were littered with puns & innuendo; so were Moore's. So was DAF. After Dalton's take, they retreated to the safe house.
Just don't target Brosnan's movies only, please. It's immature, Son.
(See how I worked Help in there?) )
I never thought about it, but your point is well-taken. And I agree that Brosnan is generally fine as Bond, but the scripts are a problem.
Its what I have been saying from the beginning. Brosnan was passable but scripts and directors let him down.
This is a bunch of hooey. The scripts let MOST of the actors down. Bond has thrived on spectacle & charisma throughout the series. A very few scripts let the actors shine.
They managed it between 1962-1969 and once again from 2006 onwards
Brosnan's scripts were littered with puns & innuendo; so were Moore's. So was DAF. After Dalton's take, they retreated to the safe house.
Moore's scripts has the rock hard competency of Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman as producers.I don't know whether Barbara Broccoli had too much to cope with in those early runs ie studio interference but Lee Tamahori should never have been allowed
I could be totally off but I have always thought that with Brosnan he was (due to directed, the era or maybe the script) leaning a bit too Hugh Grant circa " Four Wedding and a Funeral."
too me PB was at his finest looks and performance wise in TNDs, he physically bulked up and looked a lot more intimidating then in GE and TWINE, Also, his haircut was perfect because it wasn't as long as GE but he still had that black comma fall on his forehead. Performance wise throughout the film he was suave and charming like the Carver Party scene but also violent and cold Dr. Kaufman scene.
I never thought about it, but your point is well-taken. And I agree that Brosnan is generally fine as Bond, but the scripts are a problem.
Its what I have been saying from the beginning. Brosnan was passable but scripts and directors let him down.
This is a bunch of hooey.
Not really, son. )
My reference to Brosnan's scripts letting him down reflect my opinion that Brosnan's acting as Bond is better than the scripts. With the exception of perhaps DAF, I believe Connery and the scripts for his Bond movies match up quite well (although I know there are some who would also include YOLT and perhaps TB in the weak scripts category). Lazenby actually had one of the best scripts in the series to work with. Moore is a weak Bond, in my opinion, but that has more to do with his ill-fit for the role than it has to do with his scripts. And quite frankly, I think the goofier, lighter scripts fit Moore quite well, so I wouldn't exactly say the scripts let him down. Both of Dalton's scripts are well done, as are Craig's, although I believe CR and SF have better scripts than QOS. As for Brosnan, I think GE is the strongest script he has to work with, and I think he performs it well. TND and DAD are, in my opinion, the weakest of his scripts and prime examples of where I think he is let down. TWINE contains Brosnan's best performance as Bond, and although I think it's the second best script of his tenure as Bond, there are certain aspects that I think fall short of his talent as an actor. The bottom line for me is that Brosnan's scripts are, for the most part, not up to par for his talent as an actor.
So, is Brosnan the one Bond who never got to make a perfect balance between his best performance and a film to match? Connery fans can choose from Dr No, FRWL and Goldfinger, Lazenby couldn't have asked for a stronger film to carry him than OHMSS, Moore had TSWLM, Dalton got his chance to play Bond the way he wanted in LTK and Craig could choose between Casino Royale and Skyfall. But Brosnan - he was still finding his feet in Goldeneye (his best film?) but in his groove by DAD (his worst?)
So, is Brosnan the one Bond who never got to make a perfect balance between his best performance and a film to match? Connery fans can choose from Dr No, FRWL and Goldfinger, Lazenby couldn't have asked for a stronger film to carry him than OHMSS, Moore had TSWLM, Dalton got his chance to play Bond the way he wanted in LTK and Craig could choose between Casino Royale and Skyfall. But Brosnan - he was still finding his feet in Goldeneye (his best film?) but in his groove by DAD (his worst?)
I think that's a very good way to summarize it. -{
So, is Brosnan the one Bond who never got to make a perfect balance between his best performance and a film to match? Connery fans can choose from Dr No, FRWL and Goldfinger, Lazenby couldn't have asked for a stronger film to carry him than OHMSS, Moore had TSWLM, Dalton got his chance to play Bond the way he wanted in LTK and Craig could choose between Casino Royale and Skyfall. But Brosnan - he was still finding his feet in Goldeneye (his best film?) but in his groove by DAD (his worst?)
I think that's a very good way to summarize it. -{
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New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
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Brozzer had his moments, surely, and I'm a fan. But no {:)
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I agree. Best Bond ever. Unfortunately, marked the end of the classic Bond era.
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The first one, anyway
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GE & TND were a a truly golden duo IMO. TWINE was a good if partially flawed experiment in darker yet still fun. DAD was like MR- started great but got a little out of control. The only constant was Pierce.
He gave his all, he loved the role, he wanted a great Bond, and he never took it for granted or phoned it in. He, like Dalton before him, threw himself into it completely.
We owe him as fans, and to poo-poo his efforts or performances is to blame him for things beyond his immediate control at the time.
I thank the God of spy films for Brosnan.
:x
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I will say again (I've said it somewhere on here before, ages ago) that I think DAD's first half contains some of Brosnan's best work in the role. I absolutely loved the sword fight.
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I will say again (I've said it somewhere on here before, ages ago) that I think DAD's first half contains some of Brosnan's best work in the role. I absolutely loved the sword fight.
That sword fight was absolutely breathtaking & one of the finest confrontational Bond-to-villain moments in any Bond film IMHO. Of course it was not directed by the director. )
I will say again (I've said it somewhere on here before, ages ago) that I think DAD's first half contains some of Brosnan's best work in the role. I absolutely loved the sword fight.
That sword fight was absolutely breathtaking & one of the finest confrontational Bond-to-villain moments in any Bond film IMHO. Of course it was not directed by the director. )
A key factor, no doubt )
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GE & TND were a a truly golden duo IMO. TWINE was a good if partially flawed experiment in darker yet still fun. DAD was like MR- started great but got a little out of control. The only constant was Pierce.
He gave his all, he loved the role, he wanted a great Bond, and he never took it for granted or phoned it in. He, like Dalton before him, threw himself into it completely.
We owe him as fans, and to poo-poo his efforts or performances is to blame him for things beyond his immediate control at the time.
I thank the God of spy films for Brosnan.
:x
Agree with your comments about Pierce but I disagree with your film comments, and I know you said "IMO."
IMO(!), Pierce was given some of the worst writing and films to work with, and full credit to him for being as you say "constant."
1. Perfect do. Rockhard hairline- never receeded a mm. Black.
2. Could go from Connery serious ("Me too.") to Moore funny ("Does that make you 'R'?) in the blink of an eye. )
3. Never lost enthuasiam for the role, no matter what crap script was handed him. -{
4. Was a natural clothes horse. B-)
5. Had the most economical gun barrel stance. :007)
6. Never got fat. {[]
7. We always felt his Bond really loved his female co-stars. Enough to eat them possibly.
8. Realistic & relatable 'pain face' (yeah, you jokers who laugh at it never see YOUR OWN faces in a mirror when you step on a freakin' TACK or accidently staple your FINGER ).
9. He's in the crazy vehicles himself. GE tank? TND L-39 FENIX? TWINE boat? 'Nuff said. Okay... Connery was in the Moonbuggy... 8-)
10. The heart strings tugging after-death smootch. :x
Though I don't agree that he was the BEST, you've listed some prime reasons why he truly was a magnificent Bond. Even when he couldn't save his films from being mediocre (with the exception of the brilliant GE of course) he always elevated them with his performance. I too have a great appreciation for Brozzer's unwavering enthusiasm for the role. Though Craig is my favorite Bond, I think it's too bad that Brosnan was pushed out when he was, however necessary it may have been for the series. It would have been great to see him do a really good, back to basics one after DAD (I.e. Moore following MR with FYEO).
1. Perfect do. Rockhard hairline- never receeded a mm. Black.
2. Could go from Connery serious ("Me too.") to Moore funny ("Does that make you 'R'?) in the blink of an eye. )
3. Never lost enthuasiam for the role, no matter what crap script was handed him. -{
4. Was a natural clothes horse. B-)
5. Had the most economical gun barrel stance. :007)
6. Never got fat. {[]
7. We always felt his Bond really loved his female co-stars. Enough to eat them possibly.
8. Realistic & relatable 'pain face' (yeah, you jokers who laugh at it never see YOUR OWN faces in a mirror when you step on a freakin' TACK or accidently staple your FINGER ).
9. He's in the crazy vehicles himself. GE tank? TND L-39 FENIX? TWINE boat? 'Nuff said. Okay... Connery was in the Moonbuggy... 8-)
10. The heart strings tugging after-death smootch. :x
Though I don't agree that he was the BEST, you've listed some prime reasons why he truly was a magnificent Bond. Even when he couldn't save his films from being mediocre (with the exception of the brilliant GE of course) he always elevated them with his performance. I too have a great appreciation for Brozzer's unwavering enthusiasm for the role. Though Craig is my favorite Bond, I think it's too bad that Brosnan was pushed out when he was, however necessary it may have been for the series. It would have been great to see him do a really good, back to basics one after DAD (I.e. Moore following MR with FYEO).
He had to go - so they could start again with Casino Royale
1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
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Just don't target Brosnan's movies only, please. It's immature, Son.
(See how I worked Help in there?)
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
They managed it between 1962-1969 and once again from 2006 onwards
Moore's scripts has the rock hard competency of Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman as producers.I don't know whether Barbara Broccoli had too much to cope with in those early runs ie studio interference but Lee Tamahori should never have been allowed
Well, he's over.I don't have to worry about each Bond any more
Not really, son.
My reference to Brosnan's scripts letting him down reflect my opinion that Brosnan's acting as Bond is better than the scripts. With the exception of perhaps DAF, I believe Connery and the scripts for his Bond movies match up quite well (although I know there are some who would also include YOLT and perhaps TB in the weak scripts category). Lazenby actually had one of the best scripts in the series to work with. Moore is a weak Bond, in my opinion, but that has more to do with his ill-fit for the role than it has to do with his scripts. And quite frankly, I think the goofier, lighter scripts fit Moore quite well, so I wouldn't exactly say the scripts let him down. Both of Dalton's scripts are well done, as are Craig's, although I believe CR and SF have better scripts than QOS. As for Brosnan, I think GE is the strongest script he has to work with, and I think he performs it well. TND and DAD are, in my opinion, the weakest of his scripts and prime examples of where I think he is let down. TWINE contains Brosnan's best performance as Bond, and although I think it's the second best script of his tenure as Bond, there are certain aspects that I think fall short of his talent as an actor. The bottom line for me is that Brosnan's scripts are, for the most part, not up to par for his talent as an actor.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
I think that's a very good way to summarize it. -{
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Connery was too rough.
Lazenby couldn't act.
Moore was goofy.
Dalton was too intense.
Craig is too stoic.
Brosnan was perfection. If the scripts were as good as he was, ahhhh, I can only dream.... :x
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Awesome trailer.
"Better make that two."
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
He gave his all, he loved the role, he wanted a great Bond, and he never took it for granted or phoned it in. He, like Dalton before him, threw himself into it completely.
We owe him as fans, and to poo-poo his efforts or performances is to blame him for things beyond his immediate control at the time.
I thank the God of spy films for Brosnan.
:x
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
A key factor, no doubt
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Agree with your comments about Pierce but I disagree with your film comments, and I know you said "IMO."
IMO(!), Pierce was given some of the worst writing and films to work with, and full credit to him for being as you say "constant."
"Better make that two."
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
"Better make that two."
Though I don't agree that he was the BEST, you've listed some prime reasons why he truly was a magnificent Bond. Even when he couldn't save his films from being mediocre (with the exception of the brilliant GE of course) he always elevated them with his performance. I too have a great appreciation for Brozzer's unwavering enthusiasm for the role. Though Craig is my favorite Bond, I think it's too bad that Brosnan was pushed out when he was, however necessary it may have been for the series. It would have been great to see him do a really good, back to basics one after DAD (I.e. Moore following MR with FYEO).
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He had to go - so they could start again with Casino Royale