Blofeld Behind Everything Actually Helps Skyfall Make Some Sense

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To me, Skyfall's still a stupid movie. I didn't think as much early on, but the more I see it, the stupider it gets. It's entertaining and sentimental, but it's plot is just dumb and derivative. I enjoy it the way I do Star Wars, which is just not to think too much about it.

Oddly enough, though some critics slammed Spectre's plot, it actually helps to make Skyfall's dopey plot make more sense.

For instance, Skyfall required an enormous suspension of disbelief to believe that Silva could pull off all the machinations of his scheme, some of which appeared to rely on completely random events. But not if Blofeld was really calling the shots with some earlier version of Nine Eyes, watching every move MI6 was making and giving Silva updates in real time. In the film, we're led to believe that Silva is essentially already doing this. But Spectre suggests -- and that's the problem, as it only just suggests -- that Blofeld is really the one behind it all.

Now, the issue is there is nothing dramatic onscreen to support this except one or two flimsy lines by Blofeld. A better film -- heck, a B movie from the 60s -- would have had Blofeld take Bond to one of those many, many TV screens in his lair and play back sequences from Skfyall, showing Bond and the audience just how he did it. He would have reference White, Le Chiffre,Vesper, Green, and Silva. Then, once the gravity of what's happened has sunk in to Bond, he could have twisted the knife by showing Madeline her father's demise. It would have been tense and dramatic and also filled in the blanks without a cheesy throwaway line.

But these are writers who don't seem to understand the bricks need mortar to keep them together. They think that barely mentioning something and letting the audience imagine the rest happening off screen is all that is needed.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    edited February 2016
    I dont like the idea of SPECTRE being behind Casino Royale / QoS And Skyfall i.e. everything DC has done so far

    I think its a bit too much, would rather it had been just Quantum.

    Not sure why but I see Silva as his own man rather then a member
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    I agree Gassy, suddenly Skyfall seems less randomly idiotic. And that's a good thing.
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,685MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    I dont like the idea of SPECTRE being behind Casino Royale / QoS And Skyfall i.e. everything DC has done so far

    I think its a bit too much, would rather it had been just maybe been Quantum.

    Not sure why but I see kind of see Silva as his own man rather then a member
    I agree -- it's all too contrived. But it does have the benefit, to me, of making Skyfall's lapses in logic make a little more sense.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,685MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    I agree Gassy, suddenly Skyfall seems less randomly idiotic. And that's a good thing.
    It puts more of a framework around the nonsense -- but, it's also a missed opportunity to actually do something onscreen dramatically with the idea.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    I don't see how anything could make Skyfall's idiotic script better.
    If anything Skyfall is even worse a re-watch after seeing Spectre.
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,685MI6 Agent
    It is a dumb story, but mostly because the plot lacks logical cohesion. Spectre provides some of that missing cohesion, though it didn't go far enough to make it work, in my humble opinion.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Every little bit helps... :))
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,029MI6 Agent
    Skyfall's "back to business" ending was so good with the resumption of Q, Tanner, M and Moneypenny that I feel Spectre missed the opportunity. Spectre maintains more of the same political and inward focus that Skyfall gets dragged down with.

    But yes, considering that Blofeld is behind some of the events contained in all of the last few movies does help with the cohesion and general reveal of "what's behind this" - similar to the linking of Mr White through CR/QoS.
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,685MI6 Agent
    The problem is they want to serialize the Craig adventures. That's just a bad idea. They can be loosely connected, like the classic Bonds, but the idea that they are somehow all just one big story is better suited for a TV show. This is why they are painting themselves into a corner creatively and struggling to somehow make it all tie together. But Skyfall had such a stupid, illogical story, the only way to make it rationale is to say there's a whole missing architecture responsible for it: Spectre.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,405MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    It is a dumb story, but mostly because the plot lacks logical cohesion. Spectre provides some of that missing cohesion, though it didn't go far enough to make it work, in my humble opinion.

    I think it struggles to get beyond a clunky retcon personally. I can almost hear the script meeting where they came up with it " guys, guys, now that we can use Spectre again I've come up with a way that we can get out of some of this mess we have got ourselves into . It was all part of a plan all along! We can tie up loose ends, use Spectre and make it look like we had a plan all along. Perfect " ;)
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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,392MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    I dont like the idea of SPECTRE being behind Casino Royale / QoS And Skyfall i.e. everything DC has done so far

    I think its a bit too much, would rather it had been just Quantum.

    Not sure why but I see Silva as his own man rather then a member
    I agree with this, I much prefer to think that Silva was acting on his own and shoehorning Spectre into everything was ridiculous, I prefer SF to be a standalone adventure opposed to the other three films.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    Yeah think would have def been better if:

    Silva / Skyfall on its own

    and maybe Blofeld should have been a Quantum member but overthrowed the leadership (hence killing Mr White) and turning it into SPECTRE (unless that of course is what actually occured but not clarified)
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Yeah think would have def been better if:

    Silva / Skyfall on its own

    and maybe Blofeld should have been a Quantum member but overthrowed the leadership (hence killing Mr White) and turning it into SPECTRE (unless that of course is what actually occured but not clarified)

    That's not what happened because Blofeld was behind everything and implied he was more important than Mr White. I gathered that Mr White was on the level of Denbigh and in charge of his big projects. But I would have preferred what you describe and that Blofeld was not behind everything else in the previous three films.
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,409MI6 Agent
    Mr White actually clarifies Matt's point in his discussion with bond when he says, he followed him as far as he could. Silva does work much better on his own as he is driven by his need for revenge on m, I don't think his character would be subordinate to Blofeld.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Blofeld discovered Silva & his hatred for Bond's beloved M and greased his wheels, so to speak, as a kindred spirit... :v
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Silva does work much better on his own as he is driven by his need for revenge on m, I don't think his character would be subordinate to Blofeld.

    Blofeld must have hired Silva because of his desire to get revenge on M, since M is close to Bond.
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,409MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Blofeld discovered Silva & his hatred for Bond's beloved M and greased his wheels, so to speak, as a kindred spirit... :v
    Don't you think having Blofeld behind Silva kinda lessens Silvas character?
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Blofeld discovered Silva & his hatred for Bond's beloved M and greased his wheels, so to speak, as a kindred spirit... :v
    Don't you think having Blofeld behind Silva kinda lessens Silvas character?
    No.
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,409MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Blofeld discovered Silva & his hatred for Bond's beloved M and greased his wheels, so to speak, as a kindred spirit... :v
    Don't you think having Blofeld behind Silva kinda lessens Silvas character?
    No.
    :)) care to expand on that Chris?
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    :)) care to expand on that Chris?
    Oh, sorry! :))

    Look, Silva clearly had help from what I would guess to be mercs, and I always wondered how he paid for them or why they associated with him (he being an obvious nutball)- now I don't.
    Silva remains the same to me; it's the behind the scenes logistics that have changed a bit.
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,409MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    :)) care to expand on that Chris?
    Oh, sorry! :))

    Look, Silva clearly had help from what I would guess to be mercs, and I always wondered how he paid for them or why they associated with him (he being an obvious nutball)- now I don't.
    Silva remains the same to me; it's the behind the scenes logistics that have changed a bit.
    Silva sold his trade to the highest bidder, manipulating stock markets etc as he explains to bond, Obviously mercs will work for anyone how pays well. Its because Silva is such a madman and so driven by a personal issue that he at least is at odds with the whole Blofeld behind everything idea. Maybe Blofeld just told bond this to wind him up?
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    :)) care to expand on that Chris?
    Oh, sorry! :))

    Look, Silva clearly had help from what I would guess to be mercs, and I always wondered how he paid for them or why they associated with him (he being an obvious nutball)- now I don't.
    Silva remains the same to me; it's the behind the scenes logistics that have changed a bit.
    Silva sold his trade to the highest bidder, manipulating stock markets etc as he explains to bond, Obviously mercs will work for anyone how pays well. Its because Silva is such a madman and so driven by a personal issue that he at least is at odds with the whole Blofeld behind everything idea. Maybe Blofeld just told bond this to wind him up?

    I think Blofeld used Silva's personal issues to his advantage. Blofeld and Silva have a lot in common since both are driven by revenge. Blofeld is probably more of a madman than Silva, since Silva actually has reasons for wanting revenge.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Maybe Blofeld just told bond this to wind him up?
    That's entirely possible since Blofeld also BS'd about the memory loss Bond would experience from a tiny drill going into his cortx (you'd need to do more than poke a small hole to do what he'd described)...
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,409MI6 Agent
    Well Blofeld is clearly deeply psychotic, killing his own father, jealousy issues etc, Silva just comes across unhinged to me.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,685MI6 Agent
    I'd agree. Silva is "crazy," whereas Blofeld is "sociopathic."
  • ShatterfangShatterfang Posts: 532MI6 Agent
    Silva wasn't working for Blofeld. All that happened was his DNA was on the ring, so he most likely just shook hands with Sciarra after doing a gun or drug trade with him. Furthermore Quantum wasn't a subsection of Spectre, but rather Mr. White was a double agent working for Spectre. Silva didn't need Spectre to hack into Mi6 because Mi6 hacked itself, Q put the flash drive in like Silva was planning on. you don't need some elaborate scheme when the problem falls on carelessness, and if you think that's unrealistic, the NSA does stupid stuff like that all the time. I see Blofeld's "it was all me" as just showmanship and trying to get into BOnd's head. He wasn't behind Vesper or Mathis or M's death, those were just happy accidents, and being a sociopath Blofeld took credit for them. To his credit, he was lurking behind the curtains during all of this, just didn't do anything to lead to the things he claims.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,685MI6 Agent
    It's an interesting interpretation, though I don't think it's how it was intended. Occam's Razor: Blofeld says he is the author of all of Bond's pain (starting with with Vesper), White works for him, the DNA is all on the ring, all of them work for Blofeld, as is implied.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    edited March 2016
    Silva wasn't working for Blofeld. All that happened was his DNA was on the ring, so he most likely just shook hands with Sciarra after doing a gun or drug trade with him. Furthermore Quantum wasn't a subsection of Spectre, but rather Mr. White was a double agent working for Spectre. Silva didn't need Spectre to hack into Mi6 because Mi6 hacked itself, Q put the flash drive in like Silva was planning on. you don't need some elaborate scheme when the problem falls on carelessness, and if you think that's unrealistic, the NSA does stupid stuff like that all the time. I see Blofeld's "it was all me" as just showmanship and trying to get into Bond's head. He wasn't behind Vesper or Mathis or M's death, those were just happy accidents, and being a sociopath Blofeld took credit for them. To his credit, he was lurking behind the curtains during all of this, just didn't do anything to lead to the things he claims.
    I can buy this.
    In part.
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