While we all know how disapointed I am that I wasn't first with this news, the news itself is only a fraction less important. This whole Brexit process has been very entertaining, but sadly it's mostly for the wrong reasons. It remains a mess.
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What was the shortest Pm‘ship in UK history, I think that Bojo is out for a new record?
That record is held by George Canning, who was PM (though that term wasn't used for the post until 1905) for 119 days in 1827. Canning in fact died in office.
I'm not sure that means very much though as there were, just by comparison, no less than eight German chancellors who served less time than that. I also think Boris Johnson will be around for a good while yet, so there's no need at all to write his political obituary just yet. I also think we underestimate him at our peril.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
wow, do you really want to compare today‘s situation with the Weimar Republik, the Nazi Time and the WWII conditions - they have been called Reichkanzler back then, German Reich.
In modern Germany after 1945, there was only one short term chancellor, Walter Scheel, who was acting chancellor for some days after the previous chancellor had resigned.
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Just following the debate now and have heard the most ridiculous so far:
Yes, a No-Deal Brexit may hurt the UK relatively harder compared to the EU countries, but the total damage is bigger to the EU ( in total) and that gives the UK leverage over the EU ) ) )
So, the UK shoot themselfs in the head while shooting the 27 in the foot and they will all budge because of the collective pain ) ) )
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Indeed. Philip Lee has given Rees Mogg's patronising attitude yesterday to a leading doctor, concerned at the possibility of medicines becoming unavailable after Brexit, as the reason for the timing of his defection to the Lib Dems.
<< Twenty-one Tory MPs, including Ken Clarke, Philip Hammond and Nicholas Soames, who had served their country with an honour and integrity to which Boris could only aspire, had been as good as their word and put country before self: their political careers ended by backing a motion ruling out a no-deal Brexit their party had always said it didn’t want. >>
There is an element of the UK press that considers Johnson as a chess master, almost Machiavellian in his political cunning. The buffoonish exterior is just a clever camouflage disguising his razor sharp mind. Every setback has been anticipated, everything is simply part of the master plan.
I'm interested to see how that viewpoint stands in the near future.
Well the prorogation is certainly part of his masterplan ( and his evil henchman, what was his name?The Steve Miller guy). He certainly wants to put the parliament out of power prior to 31st October.
Couldn‘t he be kicked out by a vote of no confidence in the coming days and would that mean automatically new election and who sets the date then?
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Is it really so easy to oust these Tory "rebels" from the party?
In Germany, these members will then remain independent MPs and there must be a party decision to remove them.
The party leader can't get just rid of them by his own will.
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Apologies, there was a similar picture of him a couple of months ago or so, it seems he adopts this sitting position when the house is quite empty. Not sure it in any way makes him arrogant.
Well, I‘ll not discuss this with you, imo the pic speaks for itself and this is certainly not the way how the leader of the house should present himself in parliament in a crucial political debate
If you are seriously are speaking about sitting comfortably, may I offer him a sweater and some slippers? :v
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Well as we are not discussing it, I will just say that the picture purely shows a man sitting in a reclined position. It however does not show arrogance or entitlement nor a disrespect for the house, just prior to this JRM had delivered quite an impassioned dialogue about his deference for the house, it's constitution and the people who vote for the mps to be there. Infact I'd say JRM could do with being less humble. Such tweets are nothing more than a limp wristed jab at someone perceived to be part of the Eton elite and so hated by the champagne socialist brigade. But as we are not discussing it I'll leave this here.
I would argue that that he shows enough interest to be in the room. Many MPs just watch the debates on CCTV and vote from their offices, or in many cases sit in the many pubs in Westminister.
I would argue that that he shows enough interest to be in the room. Many MPs just watch the debates on CCTV and vote from their offices, or in many cases sit in the many pubs in Westminister.
He's always in the chamber, that photo was taken late last night after he'd been there all day, I was watching live until 9pm and the chamber wasn't even half full.
Just one thought that the Brexiteers want to blackmail the EU to open negotiations again.:
The EU have approved twice an extension.
Now Brexiteer will say that it was in the EUs interest because they don‘t want Brexit.
While that is true, the decisions in the UK parliament and the explicit statements by the May administrations made it very clear that she would not have Brexited Hard.
So, if the EU would have played hardball with their neighbor just like the Brexiteers still naively seek out, they could have denied the extension and basically forced her to revoke article 50.
They didn‘t!
Brexiteers should remember this when next time complaining about the role and negotiation modus of the EU. Guess that it does not go both ways......
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I would argue that that he shows enough interest to be in the room. Many MPs just watch the debates on CCTV and vote from their offices, or in many cases sit in the many pubs in Westminister.
He's always in the chamber, that photo was taken late last night after he'd been there all day, I was watching live until 9pm and the chamber wasn't even half full.
He has been called out several times to sit up properly.
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While we all know how disapointed I am that I wasn't first with this news, the news itself is only a fraction less important. This whole Brexit process has been very entertaining, but sadly it's mostly for the wrong reasons. It remains a mess.
That record is held by George Canning, who was PM (though that term wasn't used for the post until 1905) for 119 days in 1827. Canning in fact died in office.
I'm not sure that means very much though as there were, just by comparison, no less than eight German chancellors who served less time than that. I also think Boris Johnson will be around for a good while yet, so there's no need at all to write his political obituary just yet. I also think we underestimate him at our peril.
In modern Germany after 1945, there was only one short term chancellor, Walter Scheel, who was acting chancellor for some days after the previous chancellor had resigned.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Yes, a No-Deal Brexit may hurt the UK relatively harder compared to the EU countries, but the total damage is bigger to the EU ( in total) and that gives the UK leverage over the EU
So, the UK shoot themselfs in the head while shooting the 27 in the foot and they will all budge because of the collective pain
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Respect!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Why have I been watching Monty Python all these years when there is the british parliament?
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/03/clown-prince-johnson-cowers-in-the-face-of-the-rebel-alliance?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet
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I'm interested to see how that viewpoint stands in the near future.
Couldn‘t he be kicked out by a vote of no confidence in the coming days and would that mean automatically new election and who sets the date then?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Was it a planned move to provoke his enemies and put them onto a wrong track, or did just break his arrogance it's way?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Is it really so easy to oust these Tory "rebels" from the party?
In Germany, these members will then remain independent MPs and there must be a party decision to remove them.
The party leader can't get just rid of them by his own will.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
A ) He genuinely does not understand how most of the UK live. Possibly doesn't care, either.
B ) Don't know, either is believable.
They‘d have kept their seats and have avoided a Hard Brexit which is now very possible.
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Not a new picture this.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Apologies, there was a similar picture of him a couple of months ago or so, it seems he adopts this sitting position when the house is quite empty. Not sure it in any way makes him arrogant.
If you are seriously are speaking about sitting comfortably, may I offer him a sweater and some slippers? :v
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
The EU have approved twice an extension.
Now Brexiteer will say that it was in the EUs interest because they don‘t want Brexit.
While that is true, the decisions in the UK parliament and the explicit statements by the May administrations made it very clear that she would not have Brexited Hard.
So, if the EU would have played hardball with their neighbor just like the Brexiteers still naively seek out, they could have denied the extension and basically forced her to revoke article 50.
They didn‘t!
Brexiteers should remember this when next time complaining about the role and negotiation modus of the EU. Guess that it does not go both ways......
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
He has been called out several times to sit up properly.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!