So, Basically Mr. White is

Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,685MI6 Agent
Marc-Ange Draco in this Bond universe, and Madeline Swann is Tracy? Of course, the biographical details are different, but White is a super-criminal who gets Bond to take care of his daughter, who falls in love with the agent. There's all the reworking of Piz Gloria as Swann's therapy chalet and so forth.

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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,802Chief of Staff
    So what you're saying is all this really did happen to another fella?
  • BruceMurdockBruceMurdock OhioPosts: 133MI6 Agent
    I think he's more the Major Dexter Smythe (Of the Octopussy film.) of Craig's era.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,853Quartermasters
    That's a fair observation, I think, Gassy. Especially if they manage to lure Craigger back for another. If actors change, I'm genuinely curious as to how they handle where SP left off, unless it's a soft reboot to a status quo Hiddleston (or whomever).
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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    Well, if SP was Craig's OHMSS which I agree to some degree then Bond 25 will be Brosnan's DAF after that logic :)) :))

    Let's bloody hope so :D :D


    Do I imagine things or was there a first SP teaser trailer out with OHMSS music on it. I think I really have seen that, but can't find it anymore anywhere :(
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  • JTMJTM Posts: 2,962MI6 Agent
    edited June 2017
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Mr. White is Marc-Ange Draco in this Bond universe, and Madeline Swann is Tracy?

    Huh, nice pickup. That similarity between White and Draco never crossed my mind, but I think you definitely have something there.
    was there a first SP teaser trailer out with OHMSS music on it.

    Yes I believe the first SP trailer had a few bars with a hint of the OHMSS score

    Edit: It was the second trailer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTDaET-JweU

    From 1:45 pretty much till the James Bond theme at the end
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    @JTM

    Thank you so much! Yes, exactly this trailer I mean. Wonderful homage to Barry's best score.

    Damn...now I want to watch SP immediately -{ :D
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    That SPECTRE trailer was amazing with the OHMSS. Made the film look like it was going to be one of the very best!
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Marc-Ange Draco in this Bond universe, and Madeline Swann is Tracy? Of course, the biographical details are different, but White is a super-criminal who gets Bond to take care of his daughter, who falls in love with the agent. There's all the reworking of Piz Gloria as Swann's therapy chalet and so forth.
    Brilliant sir! It never occurred to me. -{
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,685MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    So what you're saying is all this really did happen to another fella?
    :))
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,685MI6 Agent
    That's a fair observation, I think, Gassy. Especially if they manage to lure Craigger back for another. If actors change, I'm genuinely curious as to how they handle where SP left off, unless it's a soft reboot to a status quo Hiddleston (or whomever).
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,685MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Marc-Ange Draco in this Bond universe, and Madeline Swann is Tracy? Of course, the biographical details are different, but White is a super-criminal who gets Bond to take care of his daughter, who falls in love with the agent. There's all the reworking of Piz Gloria as Swann's therapy chalet and so forth.
    Brilliant sir! It never occurred to me. -{
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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Marc-Ange Draco in this Bond universe, and Madeline Swann is Tracy? Of course, the biographical details are different, but White is a super-criminal who gets Bond to take care of his daughter, who falls in love with the agent. There's all the reworking of Piz Gloria as Swann's therapy chalet and so forth.
    Brilliant sir! It never occurred to me. -{
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    There is so much OHMSS in SP it's quite fascinating!

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  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,586MI6 Agent
    Well, Madeleine seems to me like a rework of the literary Tiffany Case rather than Tracy but that may just be me -{.
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,685MI6 Agent
    They've been recycling/reworking a lot of elements -- I think most of us initially took them as homages (the oil scene with Fields in QoS), but in reality, since this is a reboot, they're taking ingredients from previous films and introducing them differently.
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,586MI6 Agent
    Well, at least this is shaping up better than Die Another Day did in terms of homages.
    a reasonable rate of return
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    Well, at least this is shaping up better than Die Another Day did in terms of homages.


    To be honest, I think DAD worked well for the 40th Anniversary, it can be debated that EON went overboard with the OTT stuff of DAD, but then they did this with almost all the actors so far at one point or the other.
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  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,586MI6 Agent
    Well, at least this is shaping up better than Die Another Day did in terms of homages.


    To be honest, I think DAD worked well for the 40th Anniversary, it can be debated that EON went overboard with the OTT stuff of DAD, but then they did this with almost all the actors so far at one point or the other.
    Some of them I really liked and were only apparent to the dedicated Bond fan (like the grape theft being I just mentioned).
    The lazer scene was the one I was primarily referring to. I hope we are not taking this thread off-course.
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  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 863MI6 Agent
    Well, Madeleine seems to me like a rework of the literary Tiffany Case rather than Tracy but that may just be me -{.
    oh I agree, if DC comes back they could easily just mention how it didn't work out with her hence why he returned to the service simple! To obvious to have her killed by Blofeld and another revenge story!
  • RemingtonRemington CAPosts: 239MI6 Agent
    superdaddy wrote:
    Well, Madeleine seems to me like a rework of the literary Tiffany Case rather than Tracy but that may just be me -{.
    oh I agree, if DC comes back they could easily just mention how it didn't work out with her hence why he returned to the service simple! To obvious to have her killed by Blofeld and another revenge story!
    I really hope the former happens. I love LTK and QOS but that's enough revenge for at least a few more movies.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Remington wrote:
    superdaddy wrote:
    Well, Madeleine seems to me like a rework of the literary Tiffany Case rather than Tracy but that may just be me -{.
    oh I agree, if DC comes back they could easily just mention how it didn't work out with her hence why he returned to the service simple! To obvious to have her killed by Blofeld and another revenge story!
    I really hope the former happens. I love LTK and QOS but that's enough revenge for at least a few more movies.
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  • SFPROPSSFPROPS USAPosts: 350MI6 Agent
    It has been noted many times that SPECTRE is a clear homage to OHMSS.
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 2,186MI6 Agent
    I think he's more the Major Dexter Smythe (Of the Octopussy film.) of Craig's era.
    I saw this parallel before I saw the Draco parallel, basically while the whole suicide scene was unfolding in the theatre I was thinking Octopussy
    in the book Smythe doesn't actually kill himself, deliberately, he manages to do it by accident (being in extremely poor health and passively awaiting death) while Bond gives him the chance to think about his crimes and inevitable courtmartial
    in the film, we never see Smythe, instead Maud Adams tells his story, now with suicide added, and there is a moment of unease between Moore and Adams before she says suicide was the honourable alternative to the shame of a courtmartial and she is actually grateful to Bond for allowing her father the choice
    SPECTRE complicates this further, with Craig appearing to be manipulative of the dead man's daughter and less than completely honest, then Blofeld replaying the surveillance footage of the actual event so the daughter can witness for herself

    but the Draco/Tracy angle is definitely there too, especially with the Alpine allergy clinic and all the speculation the next film will begin with Swann's murder
    there's big chunks of Thunderball, OHMSS, and the YOLT film in this one, the whole original Blofeld trilogy in one film

    the Tiffany/Swann parallel is sort of there too, with her being the survivor of a very bad background who deserves a normal life, and Bond feeling he must choose between her and M (dialog from the DaF book)

    the filmmakers just take scoopfuls of the old material, put it in a blender with a dash of Goldmember, and whirrr ... there's a new film

    EDIT: just checked Fleming's text
    after Smythe finishes his confession, Bond gives him a week before "someone else" returns to bring him home for courtmartial. Smythe himself assumes this is a blatant invitation to suicide, thinking "It was just a version of the corny old act of leaving the guilty officer alone with his revolver". Instead, Smythe goes scubadiving, manages to get himself stung by a scorpion fish, feels another coronary coming on, then is drowned by his beloved Octopussy who is attracted by the blood. In the secondlast paragraph, Bond, who did not witness this scene, assumes suicide while writing his notes. The deathscene goes on for eight pages! The filmmakers simplified that by just letting him use the revolver.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,685MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Brilliant sir! It never occurred to me. -{
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    There is so much OHMSS in SP it's quite fascinating!

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  • ggl007ggl007 SpainPosts: 383MI6 Agent
    Remember that in previous scripts, we had Irma Bunt and even the line: "We have all the time in the World..."
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    We all knew that there's a lot of OHMSS in SP, but I like that it's not obvious that SP takes a lot from OHMSS. I can't imagine how much worse we would have thought Spectre was is the film was a direct remake of OHMSS. Complete remakes always draw more criticism because of the direct comparisons made to the original film. Different names make a huge difference in our perception of the film.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    Pity DC cant Ski
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Pity DC cant Ski

    If insurance prevented Lazenby from skiing in 1969, the insurance companies would certainly prevent the Bond actor from skiing today. I don't think it makes much of a difference if the Bond actor can ski or not. And even if they did let the Bond actor ski, I can't see why Daniel Craig wouldn't just learn to ski. His workout prep for Bond must be a lot more challenging.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    I read somewhere that he refuses to ski (wether thats true though...)
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