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  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,999MI6 Agent
    TND did sound really quite stunning in our home theater last night. It was a really nice mix.
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,043MI6 Agent
    The sound effects in GE are really dated especially when you realize it came out the same year as Heat. I always thought TND's had some of the best SFX in the franchise though, especially the weapons. It's one of the most fun Bond films to hear in surround sound.

    GE still uses the same sfx library as all the Bond films from the 70s/80s.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. LTK 17. GF 18. SF 19. LaLD 20. YOLT 21. TND 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,058MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    People seem to forget the bulletstorms of YOLT... :))

    I haven't watched it in 3 years. Can you refresh my mind as to when Bond machine-guns his way through the bad guys?
    You think if he had access to one he wouldn't? Bond running around with his PPK was sort of comic book in that film considering the hail of gunfire all around, but then, that was rather the point of it, eh? -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Agent KinoAgent Kino New YorkPosts: 178MI6 Agent
    Watched Octopussy and paid real good attention. Such a fantastic film.
    1. Goldfinger 2. Skyfall 3. Goldeneye 4. The Spy Who Loved Me 5. OHMSS
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  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,587MI6 Agent
    (because it's bloody awful)
    Now, that, I can't agree with.

    I will try to see all the Bonds with headphones, to see how different the experience will be.
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  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,999MI6 Agent
    We did the final two Brosnan films over the past few days.

    THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH

    There's a lot to admire about this one: there's a focus on acting (Denise Richards aside) and character relationships that's usually not present in the Bond films, and I really like that. Time is spent developing the Bond/Elektra relationship, the Elektra/Renard relationship, the Bond/M relationship, and a lot of other things. Even Bond/Christmas gets some time to gel. There's some good stuff in there. On top of that, Brosnan probably does his best job of acting in this film. Sure, he gets to make his 'pain face' a lot, but he's also asked to show some decent range in here, and he does a good job with the non-verbal communication. Marceau and Carlysle are also quite good. Richards is the weak link but whatever...she doesn't kill the film for me.

    What DOES kill the film for me is the leisurely pace. The film never gets out of second gear and the action sequences all lack any punch. The PTS sequence with the boat chase is probably the most successful of the lot, but even that is lacking the typical Bond oomph to really make it exciting. The sequences never thrill, are unimaginatively shot, and generally slow down the through line of the plot by not being essential.

    It's really too bad that the film is so dull because the plot is actually pretty strong and well presented. With a tighter edit and some better staged action sequences, this really could have been a top tier entry.

    The music is particularly strong in this one. David Arnold does some really solid work here and I've always felt that the title song by Garbage is one of the best songs of the entire franchise.

    And then, there's DIE ANOTHER DAY.

    It's really amazing how much this film drops in quality once the film transitions to Iceland. Seriously, the first hour or so of the film is actually really good. Some questionable director flourishes aside (weird angles, speed ramping) and some dodgy CGI, the first half would make you think that you're watching one of the better films. The conceit of Bond being a prisoner for 14 months and having to redeem himself in M's eyes is really strong and original, the concept of the Cuban DNA modification clinic is well executed, and a lot of the action sequences are pretty strong. Brosnan is in pretty good form, too, delivering just the right amount of seething anger to what's going on. Halle Berry is also pretty good.

    All of that goodwill goes completely out the window once the movie transitions to Iceland. The director flourishes which were mildly annoying in the first half become overpowering, and the CGI turns laughable. The acting quality from everyone also drops to strictly amateur hour. Even Brosnan has a complete 'phoning it in' quality about him that completely kills any enjoyment. Toby Stephens, kinda fun in the first half, is downright bad in the second half. Way too over the top. If he had played it like Drax, it may have all worked. Berry, Pike, Yune...all of them are bad here. It took a lot of will to not turn the thing off once they got on the jet during the final un-ending climax where everything becomes visual chaos with a terrible CGI sheen to it.

    And yeah, the overuse of CGI really kills this thing. None of it looks polished and the usage of it is laughable. The invisible car is bad enough (with the inconsistent quality of camouflage...first it's completely invisible and next it's like the Predator camouflage), but the whole finale on the jet is simply the worst.

    And the music? Honestly, the score itself isn't too bad but holy cow is that Madonna song terrible.

    I'm not sure if I'll ever watch this particular entry again.

    Current re-watch rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>TLD>GE>OP>DN>FYEO>TWINE>TND>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>DAF>LTK>AVTAK>DAD
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,043MI6 Agent
    ^ I see that TWINE is actually in quite a good spot in your rankings?

    Great to see that you've called out Arnold's soundtrack and the title song. I find that the music adds a texture to the film that suits the drama, romance and leisurely pace.

    While the action sequences are "insert here" they aren't as overtly choreographed as TND and GE and come across a bit more real - in another thread I called out that in the entire film Bond uses his P99 and never a machine gun.

    That being said, the sequences could do with a bit better editing and direction as you call out because what they've attempted isn't 100% - but I appreciate it more than the sequences in the Brosnan films around it (e.g. the tank sequence in GE is stupid).
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. LTK 17. GF 18. SF 19. LaLD 20. YOLT 21. TND 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Maybe later?"
  • OrnithologistOrnithologist BerlinPosts: 543MI6 Agent
    (e.g. the tank sequence in GE is stupid).

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  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,999MI6 Agent
    The tank sequence in GOLDENEYE has a point, though. As ridiculous as it is, he's at least got an objective (chasing after the bad guys). Most of the sequences in THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH are pretty extraneous and are just there to break up the exposition dumps (the skiing sequence being particularly useless and dull).

    Speaking of that skiing sequence: it really doesn't make any sort of logical sense.
    - Elektra asks Bond to join her in checking out the survey lines for the pipeline.
    - Her Lt. arranges for the attack in order to do what...make Elektra more believable to Bond and MI6?
    - But if that's the case, then the whole attack is...by design...set up to fail. Why does Renard chastise the Lt. and the other guy for failing in their attack when, to be blunt, the attack had the desired effect of selling Elektra's plight to Bond?

    It's presented as a straightforward BAD GUYS ATTACK AND FAIL in the aftermath and yet, by the time of the reveal, you find out that it's a good thing that it DID fail. It makes no sense.
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,417MI6 Agent
    While the action sequences are "insert here" they aren't as overtly choreographed as TND and GE and come across a bit more real - in another thread I called out that in the entire film Bond uses his P99 and never a machine gun.
    Brosnan does use a P90 and is briefly seen with a TMP in TWINE but you're right it is the film where Brosnan uses automatic weapons the least I think.
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,999MI6 Agent
    CASINO ROYALE

    For my money, there are 4 'perfect' Bond movies: OHMSS, FRWL, TSWLM, and CR. There are a few that come kinda close (SF, MR, YOLT, TLD, and GE come to mind) but those 4 really get everything right in terms of plot, characterization, tension/suspense, action sequences, and overall entertainment value.

    So we did CR last night for the first time in probably 5 years. This movie simply works, period.
    - The casting is top notch from top to bottom, with everyone delivering a 'good performance' at a minimum (a rare feat for a Bond film, where there's usually at least one duff performance in each movie) and Daniel Craig delivering a GREAT performance.
    - The direction is tight yet full of energy. There's a great sense of movement throughout the entire film, helping to keep the attention focused at all times. The action sequences are all uniformly strong and well staged, and tension is maintained at all times without sacrificing any 'fun' factor. The Madagascar foot chase is particularly well executed.
    - The plot is well defined and is detailed enough to be interesting without being confusing. There are very few (if any) 'idiot' moments where a character has to do something because movie.

    I've said this before and I'll say it again: I like my Bond to be competent at his job and look like he's physically and intellectually capable of doing everything that he does on screen. We get all of that here in this film. He makes mistakes but they are believable and understandable mistakes (he's not perfect) and he makes corrections/adjustments along the way to accomplishing his goals. Things don't just happen to Bond in the film...he researches, he plans, and then he executes. Great stuff.

    I also love the score and the theme song. I like the rockin' tunes of the franchise quite a bit, and this one is definitely up to snuff and belongs up there with LALD and AVTAK.

    Just a great movie. While I have it at #3 on my list (behind OHMSS and FRWL), in all honesty those top 4 films are pretty much tied and could flip position at any time.

    Current rewatch rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>TLD>GE>OP>DN>FYEO>TWINE>TND>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>DAF>LTK>AVTAK>DAD
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,587MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    I've said this before and I'll say it again: I like my Bond to be competent at his job and look like he's physically and intellectually capable of doing everything that he does on screen. We get all of that here in this film. He makes mistakes but they are believable and understandable mistakes (he's not perfect) and he makes corrections/adjustments along the way to accomplishing his goals. Things don't just happen to Bond in the film...he researches, he plans, and then he executes. Great stuff.
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    He also has to bury his pride and he eventually becomes increasingly less cocky throughout the film.
    Casino Royale chewed Bond up as the novice, over-confident agent that he was and spat him out as the mature, experienced Bond that we recognise from the previous canon (most of us do, anyway 8-) ).
    Character development...in a Bond film...for Bond? Who would've thought?

    What do you think of Vesper?
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  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,999MI6 Agent
    Vesper? Well, it's Eva Greene. I could watch her read a phone book while farting and be entertained.

    As a character, she's very interesting. I liked her story and I liked how she worked with Bond. Both of them have an interesting arc that carries them through the second and third acts of the film leading to Bond becoming BOND. She's necessary and has an impact, so I really like her. I'd still say that Tracy (Diana Rigg) is the best Bond woman, but Vesper is up there.
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,620MI6 Agent
    Just to clarify, who would be farting - you or her? ?:)
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  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,999MI6 Agent
    Just to clarify, who would be farting - you or her? ?:)

    Either. I imagine that her farts would smell like the breath of God, though.
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,417MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    Vesper? Well, it's Eva Greene. I could watch her read a phone book while farting and be entertained.
    :))
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,999MI6 Agent
    We did QUANTUM OF SOLACE last night.

    I have weird swings on this one. I disliked it in the movie theater yet grew to like it on TV. It seemed to play better on the small screen for me. Last night's viewing unfortunately didn't really work for me, mainly due to the overly frenetic editing and the general over reliance on action over substance.

    There are many elements about the film to like:
    - Craig is sufficiently in character relevant to how CR ended, and he has a nice arc that carries through to the end of the film. When viewed back to back (CR and QOS), it's a nice bit of character growth.
    - The acting is, again, first rate from everyone. If you like your actors to be intense, then this is the movie for you. Craig tends to be a bit 'blue steel' at times but it suits where he is as a character in this.
    - The film looks great. I love the cinematography in this and the visceral, detailed feel to the film is really quite nice. It's too bad that some of the editing choices reduce some of these really gorgeous shots to split second visuals.
    - The film is intense. As much as I dislike the editing, the film does tend to grip you. There's zero fat to the film and everything that is inessential to the plot is jettisoned. Unfortunately, a lot of things that would make the plot work (or engage) also seem to have landed on the cutting room floor.
    - The styling is first rate. In terms of clothing and such, this film is the best of the Bond films for me. Easily. I want every single outfit that Bond wears in this film (and thankfully I have several of the items already). Also, Craig...in general...looks the best in this film. He's got a good haircut and tends to wear it mussed up a bit, giving him a look that really suits his take on Bond.

    But yeah, there's a lot of bad in this. The script is under-developed (a victim of the writer's strike) and the editing flat out stinks. Nothing has a chance to breathe, and a lot of the action is very hard to follow. Also, most of the action sequences are shot in close ups or medium shots, making for a tight visual space that is filled with nothing but flailing arms and guns without any understandable geography to them. When you can't make out what's going on, then you disengage from the film. That unfortunately happens often in the movie, making it a passive experience.

    I still enjoy it for the most part, but it's definitely a lesser entry in the franchise mainly due to the structural problems with the film itself.

    Current re-watch rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>TLD>GE>OP>DN>FYEO>TWINE>
    TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>DAF>LTK>AVTAK>DAD
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • Wint and Kidd far-outWint and Kidd far-out AustraliaPosts: 109MI6 Agent
    The last Bond movies I watched were the Daniel Craig series. I saw them in order while visiting a friend weekly.

    I love the reboot. Craig is such a charming actor and he plays a perfect Bond for this new timeline. My favourite fight is in Spectre with Hinx on the train. Other highlights include the death of Dench's M, the fight with Dominic Green and the whole story line involving Mr. White.
    Roger Moore is my favourite 007 R.I.P.
  • Agent KinoAgent Kino New YorkPosts: 178MI6 Agent
    Loving the reviews Gym!
    1. Goldfinger 2. Skyfall 3. Goldeneye 4. The Spy Who Loved Me 5. OHMSS
    "I never joke about my work, 007."
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,999MI6 Agent
    Agent Kino wrote:
    Loving the reviews Gym!

    Cheers, thank you! -{
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,999MI6 Agent
    We finished off the films over the past couple of day.

    SKYFALL:

    I've always been kinda lukewarm on this one. It's certainly a well made move but I've never found it to be particularly gripping. This time, it all kinda clicked for some reason. I still don't think that it's particularly tense or has any real standout action sequences to it (although the pre-credit sequence is pretty good), but the plot does a good job of engaging you and making you care about the characters and what happens to them.

    There's a lot to admire here:
    - The acting is first rate from everyone, even the minor roles. The actress who played Severine is particularly strong, especially in the 'Can you kill him? Will you kill him?' bar scene. But it's really Craig, Dench, and Bardem who carry the film on their shoulders and make this thing work through sheer talent.
    - The cinematography here is amazing. That's what happens when you get Roger Deakins behind the camera, though. This is probably the best 'looking' of the Bond franchise.
    - The locations are really exotic. I've been to Macau before and it's glorious, but I never got to ride a boat through paper lanterns into a casino. Now I want to go back and try and find that place. Istanbul, Scotland, all of the places are really well utilized.
    - The score is excellent, and the theme song is one of the better ones. I like David Arnold but I think that I prefer the Thomas Newman work here over anything that Arnold put out.
    - The fashion/styling is excellent with a lot of memorable outfits. QOS is still the top film for fashion but this one is up there.

    But I have some issues:
    - I'm sorry, but Daniel Craig has a terrible haircut in this film. It's much too short and really doesn't suit him at all. I found it distracting.
    - There's really very little tension in the movie. The pre-credit sequence comes the closest to generating some tension/thrills but that's really about it. None of the other ones have that oomph to make them standout. That's not to say that they are poorly done or anything, but they're missing that zing to make them really work or stand out.
    - Dench drops the F-bomb. I hated this. I don't mind the occasional profanity in these movies but the F-bomb is a bridge too far. Bond films should be above this.
    - The whole 'getting captured was part of the plan' trope needs to go away. I'm sick of this plot device being used over and over again. Bardem makes it work through sheer force of will but regardless, it stretches credulity.

    It's a very good movie. I'm not sure if it's a particularly good BOND movie, but it's a very solid film in and of itself.

    And then, there's SPECTRE.

    The fashion is good here, the pre-credits sequence is pretty solid, and the train fight with Hinx is really spectacular. That's about it in terms of positive things to cite. The film is a complete bore. All of my issues with SKYFALL being a passive, tension free experience are amplified here. The only time that the film feels like a Bond film is in that fantastic train fight, which does a great job of injecting some much needed energy into this rather laborious, tedious film.

    The plot never engages, and it asks the audience to buy into some rather ludicrous storytelling in order to even work (especially with the Cuckoo/Brother bit). I don't find that Bond and Swann have any chemistry whatsoever, and I also don't buy that...over the course of a few days...he'd fall in love with her to the point of dropping his job. It worked in OHMSS but completely did not here.

    The action sequences, train fight aside, are dull and lifeless. The airplane sequence in the snow is uninspiring, and the car chase feels like a casual drive through downtown in a couple of sports cars. We should have had something akin to the car chases in RONIN here.

    The film feels like a MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE movie instead of a Bond film. By the third act, Bond is working as a team with M, Q, and Moneypenny. This is wrong-headed for a Bond film. The focus needs to be on Bond, not on the secondary characters doing their own thing.

    The music is good (another solid Thomas Newman score) but hoo boy is that title song terrible. I don't want some weepy, emo garbage that doesn't have any balls to it.

    I really hope that Craig rebounds with a winner for Bond 25 because I'm now of the opinion that SPECTRE is one of the worst films of the franchise.

    Final re-watch rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>TLD>SF>GE>OP>DN>FYEO>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>SP>DAF>LTK>AVTAK>DAD
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • RemingtonRemington CAPosts: 239MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    We finished off the films over the past couple of day.

    SKYFALL:

    I've always been kinda lukewarm on this one. It's certainly a well made move but I've never found it to be particularly gripping. This time, it all kinda clicked for some reason. I still don't think that it's particularly tense or has any real standout action sequences to it (although the pre-credit sequence is pretty good), but the plot does a good job of engaging you and making you care about the characters and what happens to them.

    There's a lot to admire here:
    - The acting is first rate from everyone, even the minor roles. The actress who played Severine is particularly strong, especially in the 'Can you kill him? Will you kill him?' bar scene. But it's really Craig, Dench, and Bardem who carry the film on their shoulders and make this thing work through sheer talent.
    - The cinematography here is amazing. That's what happens when you get Roger Deakins behind the camera, though. This is probably the best 'looking' of the Bond franchise.
    - The locations are really exotic. I've been to Macau before and it's glorious, but I never got to ride a boat through paper lanterns into a casino. Now I want to go back and try and find that place. Istanbul, Scotland, all of the places are really well utilized.
    - The score is excellent, and the theme song is one of the better ones. I like David Arnold but I think that I prefer the Thomas Newman work here over anything that Arnold put out.
    - The fashion/styling is excellent with a lot of memorable outfits. QOS is still the top film for fashion but this one is up there.

    But I have some issues:
    - I'm sorry, but Daniel Craig has a terrible haircut in this film. It's much too short and really doesn't suit him at all. I found it distracting.
    - There's really very little tension in the movie. The pre-credit sequence comes the closest to generating some tension/thrills but that's really about it. None of the other ones have that oomph to make them standout. That's not to say that they are poorly done or anything, but they're missing that zing to make them really work or stand out.
    - Dench drops the F-bomb. I hated this. I don't mind the occasional profanity in these movies but the F-bomb is a bridge too far. Bond films should be above this.
    - The whole 'getting captured was part of the plan' trope needs to go away. I'm sick of this plot device being used over and over again. Bardem makes it work through sheer force of will but regardless, it stretches credulity.

    It's a very good movie. I'm not sure if it's a particularly good BOND movie, but it's a very solid film in and of itself.

    And then, there's SPECTRE.

    The fashion is good here, the pre-credits sequence is pretty solid, and the train fight with Hinx is really spectacular. That's about it in terms of positive things to cite. The film is a complete bore. All of my issues with SKYFALL being a passive, tension free experience are amplified here. The only time that the film feels like a Bond film is in that fantastic train fight, which does a great job of injecting some much needed energy into this rather laborious, tedious film.

    The plot never engages, and it asks the audience to buy into some rather ludicrous storytelling in order to even work (especially with the Cuckoo/Brother bit). I don't find that Bond and Swann have any chemistry whatsoever, and I also don't buy that...over the course of a few days...he'd fall in love with her to the point of dropping his job. It worked in OHMSS but completely did not here.

    The action sequences, train fight aside, are dull and lifeless. The airplane sequence in the snow is uninspiring, and the car chase feels like a casual drive through downtown in a couple of sports cars. We should have had something akin to the car chases in RONIN here.

    The film feels like a MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE movie instead of a Bond film. By the third act, Bond is working as a team with M, Q, and Moneypenny. This is wrong-headed for a Bond film. The focus needs to be on Bond, not on the secondary characters doing their own thing.

    The music is good (another solid Thomas Newman score) but hoo boy is that title song terrible. I don't want some weepy, emo garbage that doesn't have any balls to it.

    I really hope that Craig rebounds with a winner for Bond 25 because I'm now of the opinion that SPECTRE is one of the worst films of the franchise.

    Final re-watch rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>TLD>SF>GE>OP>DN>FYEO>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>SP>DAF>LTK>AVTAK>DAD
    I can agree with everything you said about SF apart from Newman being better than Arnold. We have a very similar opinion on SP. Only it's dead last in my ranking.
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    1. Connery 2. Moore 3. Dalton 4. Brosnan 5. Craig 6. Lazenby
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,587MI6 Agent
    I beg to differ for SPECTRE but I do agree about Skyfall, as of late I want to revisit it and it's actually better for me after 3 or so viewings. Guess it's one of those films.

    Also, about the locations, none of it was actually filmed in China (the rooftop of the London 4 Seasons and the Macau casino is a reference to a casino that once existed but doesn't anymore). While I think I made a thread about this because I thought it fooled me really well, most people that had visited Hong Kong didn't and held the film in a lower regard because of that.
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  • VesperMelogranoVesperMelograno The SouthPosts: 901MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    SKYFALL:

    I've always been kinda lukewarm on this one.  It's certainly a well made move but I've never found it to be particularly gripping.  This time, it all kinda clicked for some reason.  I still don't think that it's particularly tense or has any real standout action sequences to it (although the pre-credit sequence is pretty good), but the plot does a good job of engaging you and making you care about the characters and what happens to them.

    There's a lot to admire here:
    - The acting is first rate from everyone, even the minor roles.  The actress who played Severine is particularly strong, especially in the 'Can you kill him?  Will you kill him?' bar scene.  But it's really Craig, Dench, and Bardem who carry the film on their shoulders and make this thing work through sheer talent.
    - The cinematography here is amazing.  That's what happens when you get Roger Deakins behind the camera, though.  This is probably the best 'looking' of the Bond franchise.
    - The locations are really exotic.  I've been to Macau before and it's glorious, but I never got to ride a boat through paper lanterns into a casino.  Now I want to go back and try and find that place.  Istanbul, Scotland, all of the places are really well utilized.
    - The score is excellent, and the theme song is one of the better ones.  I like David Arnold but I think that I prefer the Thomas Newman work here over anything that Arnold put out.
    - The fashion/styling is excellent with a lot of memorable outfits.  QOS is still the top film for fashion but this one is up there.

    But I have some issues:
    - I'm sorry, but Daniel Craig has a terrible haircut in this film.  It's much too short and really doesn't suit him at all.  I found it distracting.
    - There's really very little tension in the movie.  The pre-credit sequence comes the closest to generating some tension/thrills but that's really about it.  None of the other ones have that oomph to make them standout.  That's not to say that they are poorly done or anything, but they're missing that zing to make them really work or stand out.
    - Dench drops the F-bomb.  I hated this.  I don't mind the occasional profanity in these movies but the F-bomb is a bridge too far.  Bond films should be above this.
    - The whole 'getting captured was part of the plan' trope needs to go away.  I'm sick of this plot device being used over and over again.  Bardem makes it work through sheer force of will but regardless, it stretches credulity.

    It's a very good movie.  I'm not sure if it's a particularly good BOND movie, but it's a very solid film in and of itself.
    I like SF and agree that it does not feel like a Bond film. I had to come to terms with it being Home Alone 2. All it is missing is turtle doves.

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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,558MI6 Agent
    I beg to differ for SPECTRE but I do agree about Skyfall, as of late I want to revisit it and it's actually better for me after 3 or so viewings. Guess it's one of those films.

    Also, about the locations, none of it was actually filmed in China (the rooftop of the London 4 Seasons and the Macau casino is a reference to a casino that once existed but doesn't anymore). While I think I made a thread about this because I thought it fooled me really well, most people that had visited Hong Kong didn't and held the film in a lower regard because of that.

    I've never been to China or Macau, but I think it looks obvious that all of those scenes with actors are filmed on sets. But there was something filmed in China: the establishing shots.
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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Last night I watched an episode of The Saint with Roger Moore and Eunice Gayson. That should count for something. :)

    It was from 1965 and called The Saint Bids Diamonds. It was one of the best episodes I have seen so far and I highly recommend it. Roger goes undercover and adopts the alias of a well-known diamond cutter. But first he kidnaps him, tortures him, steals and modifys his passport, learns his lingo and impersonates his voice. Reminded me of Bond’s visit with Stromberg except more elaborate and carefully planned out.



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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 33,051Chief of Staff
    This was one of the episodes to be adapted from an original Leslie Charteris story (the later ones were written directly for TV) and is all the better for it. When reading the novels it's always Roger Moore that I see as Templar, I think he's perfectly cast in this role.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    The Spy Who Loved Me -{ I'll watch YOLT and MR tonight.
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  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,999MI6 Agent
    The Spy Who Loved Me -{ I'll watch YOLT and MR tonight.

    Even though I just did all three of these films over the past few months as part of a complete rewatch of the franchise, I'm really tempted to do TSWLM again. Gilbert was the only director who absolutely understood how to use Moore correctly in terms of tone, and TSWLM is his greatest achievement.
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 2,466MI6 Agent
    Will be watching MR this weekend and raising a glass to absent friends.
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