By popular demand...the camp aspects of DAF.

TGO_TGO_ Posts: 46MI6 Agent
edited July 2002 in General James Bond Chat
I must warn you folks, that this is quite long...in fact, it took 3 pages of computer paper to write.

The Gunbarrel/James Bond theme(As heard during the hovercraft scene)/Wint and Kidd theme - some of the campiest bits of music in any Bond.

The way that Connery has his hands up in the pre-titles.

Wint and Kidd - They love each other so much, that they can finish each others sentences. Awww...

Mrs. Whistler - A teacher putting stolen diamonds in a hollow Bible. That heathen.

Tiffany Case - Just how many wigs did she have?

Peter Franks squealing like a girl during the elevator fight.

Bond's membership to the Playboy club.

Connery's non-matching hairpiece.

That tacky cremation music.

Shady Tree - "You dirty double crossing limey fink, those god d*mn diamonds are phonies!"

The cheesy casino music.

The fat guy next to Plenty at the casino - What was he thinking with that shirt and that tie?

Plenty O'Tool's name.

The gangster's in the hotel room - I must say...I liked the way they turned on the lamps on cue.

Connery's protruding gut makes its first and last appearance in a Bond movie.

The elephant at the slot machine.

When Bond slaps Tiffany. With a glove no less!

Dr. Metz - Am I the only one who thinks his accent is mildly funny?

Out dated slang - "Keep leaning on that tooter, Charlie, and you're gonna get a shot in the mouth!"

Just in general, how many agents named Hamilton are there?

The way that the "real" cat reacted to the "fake" cat. This is my territory, damnit!

Bert Saxby getting shot - Is it just me, or did he sound like a horse when he got shot? And just how did he know to kill Whyte?

Bambi and Thumper - I think Thumper actually said a Roger Moore-style pun when she said, "We're going to have a ball.", and knees him in the groin.

Willard Whyte - "Bert Saxby? Tell him he's fired!"

Blofeld in drag.

The faux YOLT ending.

The uniformed guards - At least they weren't color coded.

Tiffany Case changing into a bikini, on an oil rig.

Tiffany actually calling Blofeld by his first name.

Bond actually calling Tiffany a bitch.

Connery's legendary pastel pink tie.

The really horrible special effects.

Whew!
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  • gromegrome Posts: 2MI6 Agent
    Quoting TGO_:Whew!
    Got that part right - along with most of the other bits. But then again if you that critical about every Bond you would probably find you'd get the same result, a whole lot of bad points. Anyway - How long did that take you???!
  • TGO_TGO_ Posts: 46MI6 Agent
    edited July 2002
    Quoting grome:

    Got that part right - along with most of the other bits. But then again if you that critical about every Bond you would probably find you'd get the same result, a whole lot of bad points. Anyway - How long did that take you???!

    I don't go over every Bond with a fine-toothed comb. Its just something about YOLT and DAF that I really wanted to break down. I do enjoy them both. It took me about...20 minutes, but that was going back and forth watching LALD. :)
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly Liverpool, UKPosts: 1,048MI6 Agent
    edited July 2002
    Thanks TGO...you put my thoughts into words!

    And no matter how camp DAF is, I still love it. I'd certainly much rather watch it than TMWTGG, or FYEO. At least it's fun.
    Founder of the Wint & Kidd Appreciation Society.

    @merseytart
  • 007online007online Posts: 26MI6 Agent
    Did anyone ever notice in 'The League Of Gentlemen' that the two road workers in series 1, episode 2 referred to each other as Mr Kidd and Mr Wint ?

    :)
  • Red GrantRed Grant Posts: 147MI6 Agent
    I never did 007online! But here are my thoughts on DAF. In list form:

    Stupid wigged bimbo as the Bond girl
    Plot is rubbish because its been done before (holding the world to ransom aka Thunderball)

    Boring slapstick chases (through Vegas) and slapstick fights (Bambi and Thumper)

    OK

    Too much emphasis on comedy

    Bond is too old

    Only two Bond girls

    One of the shorter films but it feels overlong

    Ends in an unfunny joke
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    I love Jill St John, she was utterly stunning in DAF. As for Connery, he was 41 in this movie, Moore and Brosnan hadn't even made their first Bond film at that age.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly Liverpool, UKPosts: 1,048MI6 Agent
    Quoting 007online:Did anyone ever notice in 'The League Of Gentlemen' that the two road workers in series 1, episode 2 referred to each other as Mr Kidd and Mr Wint ?

    :)

    In the DVD commentary for that episode, Mark Gatiss says he would have liked Wint & Kidd to turn out to be like DAF - a pair of gay killers :)
    Founder of the Wint & Kidd Appreciation Society.

    @merseytart
  • Red GrantRed Grant Posts: 147MI6 Agent
    I can't agree Alex, Jill St. John's performance is okay, the role itself is the disappointment, especially as it was one of the largest roles for a Bond girl. Originally she is sly and cunning, but she soon proves that her brains are smaller than her bust.

    And with Connery, he fails to give the impression of taking the role seriously. Also, his weight fluctuates, his eyebrows are too big, and he looks a little too old. On the plus side, the performance is as slick and witty as ever. Better than YOLT but not as good as he could do.
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    Quoting Red Grant:I can't agree Alex, Jill St. John's performance is okay, the role itself is the disappointment, especially as it was one of the largest roles for a Bond girl. Originally she is sly and cunning, but she soon proves that her brains are smaller than her bust.

    And with Connery, he fails to give the impression of taking the role seriously. Also, his weight fluctuates, his eyebrows are too big, and he looks a little too old. On the plus side, the performance is as slick and witty as ever. Better than YOLT but not as good as he could do.

    You have a good case, I do feel Connery's performance was just as good as his Bond heyday. Not taking it seriously sometimes appeals to me, that is an argument people use against Moore as well. I agree about John's role. It could have been really something, but for what this movie was, it was very fitting.:)
  • PaulZ108PaulZ108 Posts: 3MI6 Agent
    I can't believe nobody mentioned how the chinese guy runs around in front of the back-projected missiles screaming in agony when Blofeld fires the satellite.
  • gromegrome Posts: 2MI6 Agent
    Your dead right - that is shocking terible part of the movie :)) I don't know about you but there are parts of movies that I wish were left on the cutting room floor ;)
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    OK, I'll be really picky. When the diamond studded satellite unfolds in outer space, watch the dish, it wobbles!

    Geez, am I a Bond freak or what? it is trivial, I know.:)
  • TGO_TGO_ Posts: 46MI6 Agent
    Wow...how could I miss something glaring like that? Well anyway, it did have some really bad effects...But look at the helicopter dogfight in YOLT. Model helicopters that just suddenly explode...and the spacecraft with the fire looking like red plastic wrap...just really bad.
  • A KristatosA Kristatos Posts: 18MI6 Agent
    edited February 2004
    I know it has been a LONG, LONG time since anyone has responded to this thread, but I got a couple of other camp aspects of DAF to add to this list.

    First, the entire Bond/Claus Hergenshimer(sp), Dr. Metz exchange:

    Metz: Who are you?! What you doing here?!

    Bond/Claus: Uh, I'm Claus Hergenshimer. G Section. I'm here to check radiation shields. And you are?

    Metz: Professor Doctor Metz! Our shields are fine!

    Bond/Claus: It won't take me a minute. Now, Metz. How do you spell?

    Metz: M, e.....Would you please leave, you irritating man?!

    Bond/Claus: Now, that's no reason to belittle the little people! G Section may not be as important to the operation as yours is, but we have our orders!

    Metz (After phone rings): Out, out!

    Metz (After finished talking to Willard Whyte): Now would you please get out of here!

    Bond/Claus: Sure. I've seen everything I need to see!

    This dialogue always makes me laugh! That, and of course Metz's reaction when the real Claus Hergenshimer shows up! :D


    I also liked this exchange when Bond first meets the real Claus Hergenshimer:

    Claus (After giving Bond one of his safety shields): You can never be too careful!

    Bond: Right. I feel much safer with this on!


    I find this hilarious as well! As a Civil Engineer, I used to work as an inspector who used a nuclear density machine that measured the compaction density of freshly placed asphalt on roadways. I always had to wear a safety badge even though the amount of radiation released during each reading amounts to far less than a tooth x-ray! Even if the machine were to get run over, I don't know how my safety badge would have protected me from the radiation, other than it would have shown how much radiation leaked out of the machine. But it certainly wouldn't make me any safer! :D That's why I find Bond's mocking of the effectiveness of the safety shield hilarious, especially the way he points to the shield when he tells Claus that "he feels much safer with it on"! :D

    Anyway, sorry for the long winded post! But if I think of any other camp moments in DAF, I'll be sure to post them. :)
  • PredatorPredator Posts: 790Chief of Staff
    The fishtank bed in the Whyte House

    The line: "The president I can get you to see."

    Mortal Slumber. Everything about the character.

    "I got a brudda!", "Small world"


    Oh I love DAF, but not as a Bond film. I just love DAF because (rather like TMWTGG IMHO) it has a faded grandeur about it. It is decadent and luxurious, it is camp and comedic. It is a movie of its time.

    As a Bond film, it's comparatively poor. But what it lacks in earnestness, it makes up for in sheer cartoon-based filmic abandon. Connery was over the hill at the time (that he subsequently came back from over the hill was great - although not as Bond), overweight and bored. Jill St John was woefully miscast (not even any good at the more comedic side of Ms Case) and the story was hackneyed at best. However, what there is does make for a very enjoyable tongue in cheek romp a la later Roger Moore films ...
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,323MI6 Agent
    Camp? The twiddly motion the fingers make before they press the button to get the crematorium up and running.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    Great to see this thread back on the front page...

    -- The wonderfully incompetent CIA, led by Norman Burton's wonderfully incompetent Felix. I love when the whole CIA contingent leaves -- "OK, let's hit that tunnel" -- while Bond and Whyte figure out what to do.

    -- The fact that Blofeld actually puts a model Baja oil rig in Whyte's map of his empire.

    -- Zambora, from "Nairobi, South Africa." :))

    -- The whole water gun scene in Circus Circus.

    -- Bond actually talking to a rat.

    -- Bond twice commenting on his own invincibility, first when posing as Franks with Tiffany, then when posing as Saxby on the phone with Blofeld.

    -- Whyte referring to Blofeld as "your friend with the cat."

    -- Blofeld's gratuitous dissing of Kansas.

    -- And my all-time favorite...Bond hugging himself in a brilliant effort to not have Franks notice him.

    I could go on all day... :)
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • PredatorPredator Posts: 790Chief of Staff
    The coupling of "tarts'" and "boudoir" in the same sentance ... together. In fact having the "boudoir" in the whole film.

    A harvest orange Triumph Stag

    A hovercraft ... when he could have flown to Schipol in comfort!

    Blofeld calls his escape pod a 'bathosub' ... numpty
  • HwangmanHwangman Posts: 2MI6 Agent
    Maybe i'm a bit confused as to the definition of 'campy.'

    Wouldn't stuff such as 'Blofeld putting his oil rig on Whyte's corporate map' just be a plot blooper? What makes stuff like that campy?
  • A KristatosA Kristatos Posts: 18MI6 Agent
    Quoting Sir Hillary Bray:
    -- Bond actually talking to a rat.

    I can't believe that AMC had the audacity to cut this scene out! They did show Bond with the rat, but they cut all the dialogue out! Some people have no shame! :D
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    AMC snipped the entire M/Bond/Smithers ending. No dressing down, nothing. Somebody hasn't the foggiest methinks.

    Talking to the rat's the best part.
  • KielFan91KielFan91 Posts: 8MI6 Agent
    bathosub! heheheheh!
  • jbfreakjbfreak Posts: 144MI6 Agent
    Quoting A Kristatos:
    This dialogue always makes me laugh! That, and of course Metz's reaction when the real Claus Hergenshimer shows up! :D

    Funny how Metz starts to spell his name!:))
  • SeansGalSeansGal Posts: 13MI6 Agent
    edited January 2005
    _____________________________________________
    Quoting TGO
    Connery's non-matching hairpiece.

    Connery's protruding gut makes its first and last appearance in a Bond movie.
    ________________________________________________


    He still looks GOOD to me. this is the exact
    film that was my first Connery experience, and
    I fell HARD.

    ______________________________________________
    Quoting TGO
    The elephant at the slot machine.
    ______________________________________________

    I lived in Vegas when this was filmed, and we
    went to Circus Circus every weekend- and that
    elephant did that EVERY DAY, on it's way
    to perform.
  • TracyTracy the VillagePosts: 369MI6 Agent
    The conversation with the rat has to be my favorite part in the entire movie besides the infamous line about Kansas.

    But who could forget the glaring error of the car going through the narrow alleyway on one set of wheels and coming back out on the other side? :))
    Flattery will get you nowhere, but don't stop trying.
  • PUCCINIPUCCINI Posts: 70MI6 Agent
    Actully I love this movie, as all the other ones, with no exception...
  • The CatThe Cat Where Blofeld is!Posts: 711MI6 Agent
    Quoting Tracy:
    But who could forget the glaring error of the car going through the narrow alleyway on one set of wheels and coming back out on the other side? :))

    Uhm, that's a long story and I don't have the time to post it now. But you can call me... ;)
  • royale53royale53 Posts: 24MI6 Agent
    What makes D.A.F campy? This film just has a lot of slapstick moments.
  • TracyTracy the VillagePosts: 369MI6 Agent
    Quoting SiameseFightingFish:
    Ok, I may have posted too late, but rather than by pointing out ALL of the camp aspects in a Bond movie, why not just say you hate DAF altogether because it's campy? :-P

    I don't think that all Bond fans hate DAF for the campy aspects; some happen to find it somewhat endearing :) There are campy films and series that gain a cult following; I happen to be thinking of the Avengers (more the color episodes than the black and white) and detective film parody, Murder by Death. In the case of the Avengers, our perfectly matched partnership of John Steed and Emma Peel always succeed in making everything seem believable and bring a touch of class to even the most ludicrous situations. As for Murder by Death, you have to suspend disbelief with the plot and enjoy the banter being shared on-screen.

    I suppose it's the same case with DAF, too; if there's one positive aspect that stands out in the film, it's the dialogue. With DAF, if you want to actually enjoy the film you have to overlook the sketchy plot (Couldn't Blofeld find something less expensive than diamond to stick in his satellite?). I happen to find that DAF's campiness does help redeem the less appealing aspects of the film to a certain degree.
    Flattery will get you nowhere, but don't stop trying.
  • CasinoChris75CasinoChris75 Posts: 80MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    TGO_ wrote:
    The fat guy next to Plenty at the casino - What was he thinking with that shirt and that tie?

    That does not count. It is the kind of stuff people wore in 1971.

    The majority of Bond films are campy; it is what the series was intended to be. Why complain about one Bond film being campy when 19 of them are that way?
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