TND takes place over 2 days???
MilleniumForce
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Haven't posted much here in a while, but I'm watching TND and it's got me wondering. The admiral says M has 48 hours before the fleet are in position. I've never noticed that line, but Bond does a hell of a lot in 2 days, and I was wondering if he could actually do all what he does in 2 days.
So, on the first day, he gets the mission briefing (let's not forget this is sometime around 10am). He then flies to Haburg, meets Q and gets all his gadgets. That night, he goes to the party, then spends the night with Paris.
Then the next day, let's say with a start sometime between 8 - 9, he infiltrates the printing press, goes back to the hotel, has his scene with Kaufman, does the car chase in the parking garage, then he goes to the air base, presumably somewhere in Asia. They then fly out (also - Wade had no idea what Bond was planning to do that day, so he's had no time to prepare any of the stuff for him) over the sea near Vietnam, does the search on the ship, gets captured on the boat and then taken to the Carver building in Vietnam. They then escape, and have the bike chase, have a shower, have their fight scene in the bike shop, contacts their navy, then get prepared and find a fisherman at will take them out to wherever they're going, then they get their boat (this all presumably takes up quite a lot of time as they say they've looked everywhere) and still get in the stealth ship at sunset. That means he does all that on the second day in about 12 hours - is it even possible?
So, on the first day, he gets the mission briefing (let's not forget this is sometime around 10am). He then flies to Haburg, meets Q and gets all his gadgets. That night, he goes to the party, then spends the night with Paris.
Then the next day, let's say with a start sometime between 8 - 9, he infiltrates the printing press, goes back to the hotel, has his scene with Kaufman, does the car chase in the parking garage, then he goes to the air base, presumably somewhere in Asia. They then fly out (also - Wade had no idea what Bond was planning to do that day, so he's had no time to prepare any of the stuff for him) over the sea near Vietnam, does the search on the ship, gets captured on the boat and then taken to the Carver building in Vietnam. They then escape, and have the bike chase, have a shower, have their fight scene in the bike shop, contacts their navy, then get prepared and find a fisherman at will take them out to wherever they're going, then they get their boat (this all presumably takes up quite a lot of time as they say they've looked everywhere) and still get in the stealth ship at sunset. That means he does all that on the second day in about 12 hours - is it even possible?
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The flying time alone from Europe to SE Asia would have taken 12 hours.
He did do a cool plane stunt in GE, so yeah.
Broz's 007 was a Superbond, but I guess that just makes me love him more.
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1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
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It just feels that way in the cinema...
Don't think so- here's a couple of tracks from the second half: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEKufi4TlXU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1WwvcSVvEk
The idea of the fleet getting to China in 48 hours a bit of wishful
thinking. As it took two weeks to get the fleet down to the Falklands,
so I'd guess it would take a month to get to China ? Even if it wasn't
on a slow boat.
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So as I was saying:
I never really thought about it before MF posted this thread, but the film appears to take place over 4 days. Perhaps during the 11th hour script revisions they added an extra couple days to Bond's mission and forgot about the original deadline. I actually prefer my 4 day theory to total impossibility of Bond accomplishing so much in 2 days.
The main clue which no one else has mentioned is when Bond arrives at the US airbase in China he says he got the encoder "yesterday morning in Hamburg" That fact alone would put him at Day 3 thus exceeding the 48 hour limit.
Day 1: Crashing Carver's Party. It's time for a station break. Paris visits him later that night.
Day 2: Steals encoder from Carver's safe. BMW car chase. Finds Paris dead.
Day 3: Arrives at the airbase. Halo jumps to Devonshire. Gets captured and then later escapes on motorcycle.
Day 4: Teams up with Wai Lin to attack the stealth boat.
That's my best guess at the timeline. There's no way Bond could still be on Day 2 at the airbase in China.
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Maybe the fleet was in Hong Kong for the official event of handing over HK to China!
To be honest I cant remember what, where, when. This is the Brosnan film I least watch (yes even over DAD!!!!!!!)
They could have been there for the handover ceremony.
Haha - for some reason I was thinking this handover occurred in 97 (I'm clueless if TND was supposed to be based in 97 though)
So it takes perhaps 3-4 days.
Oh, very good!
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I watched parts of the film back to check the 48 hour time limit and I believe it is possible that Bond does his investigation within 48 hours.
Day 0 - In the briefing room
It is decided by the powers that be that the British navy will be in position in 48 hours. Bond is given 48 hours to investigate. For arguments sake lets say it is made official at 12:00 UK time. Bond flies to Hamburg and goes to Carver's party. That night he hooks up with Paris Carver and 'pumps her for information'. Note that Carver releases two newspapers on the same day. Bond shows the ministers a paper with the headline 'British Sailors Murdered' and later when he arrives in Hamburg the headline read 'China Warns British Fleet'. It's unusual for newspapers to release two editions on the same day but it has happened in real life before. And as this is Carver who is almost desperate at throwing news out at people it makes sense he would release an AM and PM version of his paper Tomorrow.
Day 1 - Hamburg AM to US Airbase South China Sea
Bond infiltrates Carver's premises and steals the encoder. He takes an evening flight to the South China Sea US Airbase. I googled that such a permanent base does not exist in real life. Instead the US shares bases with allied nations in Asia. I would say the nearest and most logical would be in Okinawa. Frankfurt to Okinawa takes about 12 hours by plane. Let's say Bond leaves Germany at about midday and lands 12 hours later. Okinawa is 7 hours ahead of German time so he arrives in the morning at about 7am which would explain the shots of the skyline. UK time would be about 23:00.
Day 2 - South China Sea Dive and Saigon
Bond flies out to the wreck of the Devonshire. This flight time would take about 6 hours and Vietnam time is 2 hours behind Okinawa so he does the HALO jump about 12:00 midday Vietnam time. UK time is 6 hours behind so it's 06:00 on the second day (Bond still has 6 hours to investigate!). Bond and Wai Lin subsequently get captured then escape.
Wai Lin is the one who sends the messages out (remember Bond can't use the keyboard). So M probably receives the message a few hours before midday on the second day. So Bond does complete his investigation within 48 hours.
M probably spends a few hours having to discuss with her opposite number on the authenticity of the message and the fact that General Chang and Carver are both prime suspects. This explains why she storms into the briefing room somewhat late with the news about the Devonshire.
The time frame of all the Bonds is kind of interesting - TND is in contrast to its predecessor given that GE takes place over 9 years, if you include the prequel pre-credits, DAD is another one with a big gap after the pre-credits, say 11 months this time.
(In the novel Colonel Sun, it seems to take place over two days, the writer draws attention to this saying something like 'Bond reflected that only yesterday morning he was in London' or such and such a thing.)
Back in the day we would see Bond check into his hotel - it was all part of the exotic then, along with arriving at the airport, and maybe TND had a nod to that sort of thing as well. It does ground the mission. Where does Bond stay in St Petersburg for instance, in GE? Anywhere?
Bond in hotels: Dr No, FRWL, GF, TB, OHMSS, DAF, LALD, TMWTGG, TSWLM, MR... I mean, it's virtually all of them! Oh, I suppose you do get hotels in most of the movies don't we. Do we ever see Bond check out of these places? The hotels in the old days had more extras moving around, they were more bustling.
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I think from vaguely remembered trivia, YOLT might be the only one where we don't see him stay in a hotel, although it depends on where his opening death scene occurs. But also I feel like there may be another one where he doesn't...
(In GE I'm pretty sure it's his hotel pool and sauna where Xenia attacks him).
Of course, sometimes he says at the villain's abode. AVTAK could be that one, it's hotel-like - or, in effect, a hotel? Nowhere in Frisco if I recall, does he just not show up there when he stays over at Stacy's?
Skyfall? Spectre? In fact, the last three Craig Bonds?
And CR 67.
Post Die Hard, you can say the hotel stay slows the action hero down and makes him a sitting duck somewhat.
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He visibly stays in hotels in all of the Craigs: I got a bit stuck with TWINE though..? AVTAK, yeah I think you're right on that one.
What's the hotel in SP - the one where he's hosted by Blofeld? Certainly the room looks like a hotel and owes something to his stay at Dr No's island - that said, if the one in SP is a hotel, given it's in the desert it reminds me of the punchline in Carry On.... Follow that Camel where our thirsty and bedraggled platoon, led by Phil Silvers, turn their nose up, dismissing it as a mirage. I mean, you can't imagine they get much custom.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
He and Madeline stay in L'American in Tangier.
I know what you mean about Blofeld's place having a bit of Dr No air to it though: I think it even evokes Fleming a bit more than Adam's wonderful sets do. And yeah, I bet Blofeld doesn't get much business, although there is a regular train service, so that's something 😁
I suppose I am nitpicking but it's been a while since Bond's hotel stay had the trappings you and I might expect - checking in at the front desk, the reception area, the shot of the outside et al, those seem relegated to the past generally.
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Yeah, although I guess Bond and Madeline arriving in Matera in NTTD had a fair amount of those things: bags taken out of the car, being lead to the room, the concierge greeting Bond when he returns etc. CR and QOS both have arrival in reception scenes too.
Yeah, I know, but apart from that.... 😀
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Yeah, someone recently made the same point on the 'I never noticed that' thread on mi6-hq .... 😉
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