Why did they remove it?

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,654MI6 Agent
    I agree. In fact it could be combined with the brainwashing plot from TMWTGG. How? The PTS is Bond saving 009 from SPECTRE captivity. When M meets the newly freed 009, the agent tries to kill M. Moneypenny and M stops 009, something that's more believable than ever. It becomes clear that SPECTRE has ordered that the MI6 leadership and the 00-section should be killed or be victims of extortion. Bond manages to locate a SPECTRE HQ and makes shure it gets raided. SPECTRE is hit hard, but since MI6 and the 00-section had to keep their heads down necause of the threath, Blofeld manages to escape. Perhaps somone in MI6 even helped because SPECTRE kidnaped their family? Tanner perhaps?

    Bond #26 could end with the garden of death and Bond killing Blofeld.
  • antiamadeusantiamadeus Posts: 14MI6 Agent
    Whatever they decide about Bond 25, I think it would be--if not absurd--very difficult to leave Blofeld where he is.

    Yes, I agree that it would be interesting to have him locked up for a film or two.

    However, Daniel Craig will not be around much longer.

    And since this Blofeld is tied to Bond's past it's much more difficult to stick a new Bond actor into this established story. All this Oberhauser/Skyfall business is too specific to the Daniel Craig James Bond.

    We can accept a change in Bonds when Bond being a widower is the only official backstory--the Moore, Dalton, and Brosnan Bonds all addressed that tragedy. But everything else about cinematic Bond's past was up for grabs.

    Now Bond has a rich and detailed history. How can they jettison that history when it (meaning Blofeld) is staring Bond--the new Bond--right in the face?

    So, yes, they may have written themselves into a corner...unless they can get Craig back and get to work very quickly on his last one or two films. But this is the risk EON takes now that they've eschewed stand-alone adventures.
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  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    Dalton and Brosnan Bonds are widowers too? I must have missed something...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,055MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    Dalton and Brosnan Bonds are widowers too? I must have missed something...
    Dalton definitely. Brosnan... I got the feeling his version never lost a wife.
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  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Jag wrote:
    Dalton and Brosnan Bonds are widowers too? I must have missed something...
    Dalton definitely. Brosnan... I got the feeling his version never lost a wife.

    Not in TLD, which I have just re-watched. LTK will be in soon... will be paying special attention. But I think it was Bond's friend who lost the wife. :)
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,915Quartermasters
    chrisisall wrote:
    Jag wrote:
    Dalton and Brosnan Bonds are widowers too? I must have missed something...
    Dalton definitely. Brosnan... I got the feeling his version never lost a wife.

    It's directly addressed with Dalton in LTK when Felix tells Della: "He was married once, but it was a long time ago."

    And there's a nice moment in TWINE when Electra asks Brosnan's Bond if he's ever lost anyone. It's a crackerjack bit of acting on Brozzer's part, where he doesn't actually answer the question, but we can see it on his face. Brilliantly underplayed :007)
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,939MI6 Agent
    TWINE seems calculated to remind us of OHMSS, too, as though Elektra King is a version of Tracy, most evident in the ski scene together and how it's filmed.
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    Planning to watch both films again soon, will be waiting for the scenes you guys have mentioned with interest. Thanks!
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Jag wrote:
    Dalton and Brosnan Bonds are widowers too? I must have missed something...
    Dalton definitely. Brosnan... I got the feeling his version never lost a wife.

    It's directly addressed with Dalton in LTK when Felix tells Della: "He was married once, but it was a long time ago."

    And there's a nice moment in TWINE when Electra asks Brosnan's Bond if he's ever lost anyone. It's a crackerjack bit of acting on Brozzer's part, where he doesn't actually answer the question, but we can see it on his face. Brilliantly underplayed :007)

    Agreed. Brozzer rarely gets the credit deserved.When given the opportunity he could really deliver.
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  • IanTIanT Posts: 571MI6 Agent
    In regards to the non-Fleming novels, it would be interesting if they did something similar to Nobody Lives Forever. They could have Blofeld in custody for the entire film, but he's put a price on Bond's head and Bond has to run the gauntlet for the entire film. It would depend on the writers, or course. A non-stop chase would probably get boring. They could have a separate story going on in which SPECTRE will commit an atrocity if Blofeld is not released, thereby blackmailing the British government into setting him free. Madeline could get killed in the crossfire, instead of being deliberately assassinated by Blofeld. Or she could survive, it doesn't matter. Bond would have reason enough to go after him in another film.

    I really like this plot.

    Its a bit like the BBC Sherlock episode The Great Game which was really tense and ended on a cliffhanger of monumentous proportions.
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 7,735MI6 Agent
    I believe you are most likely correct...

    Seconded. -{
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  • Bondage007Bondage007 AustraliaPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    . When M meets the newly freed 009, the agent  tries to kill M. Moneypenny and M stops 009, something that's more believable than ever. It becomes clear that SPECTRE has ordered that the MI6 leadership and the 00-section should be killed or be victims of extortion. Bond manages to locate a SPECTRE HQ and makes shure it gets raided. SPECTRE is hit hard, but since MI6 and the 00-section had to keep their heads down necause of the threath, Blofeld manages to escape. Perhaps somone in MI6 even helped

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  • Agent KinoAgent Kino New YorkPosts: 178MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    In the leaked script, the final lines of the movie were apparaently bond saying to swann "we have all the time in the world".

    This did not appear on the final film, and I am just wondering why?

    I have a theory as to why they cut it:

    As some people suspect, there are speculations that Madeline will get murdered by Blofeld at her and bond's wedding in the beginning of bond 25. This may well actually be the case, and so the writers cut the final dialogue because they felt it would be too big a hint that this will happen in the next film - so want to keep it as much as a surprise as possible (although having said that, everyone suspects this will happen, and they hardly kept Moneypenny and Blofeld's identity a secret).

    That's an amazing assumption. I think you're right though. The OHMSS reference would have been too much.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,654MI6 Agent
    Bondage007 wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    . When M meets the newly freed 009, the agent  tries to kill M. Moneypenny and M stops 009, something that's more believable than ever. It becomes clear that SPECTRE has ordered that the MI6 leadership and the 00-section should be killed or be victims of extortion. Bond manages to locate a SPECTRE HQ and makes shure it gets raided. SPECTRE is hit hard, but since MI6 and the 00-section had to keep their heads down necause of the threath, Blofeld manages to escape. Perhaps somone in MI6 even helped

    Please apply to be on the Bond 25 writing team!

    Thanks :)
  • Blood_StoneBlood_Stone Posts: 183MI6 Agent
    They leave it out because hopefully she dies in the next film.
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