MOST OVERRATED BOND FILM

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    The Most Overrated Film has to Be QOS.
    Some say it's not too bad, that is FAR too Much Praise. :))
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  • Agent007jamestAgent007jamest usaPosts: 163MI6 Agent
    another vote for TSWLM. I always felt it was a remake of YOLT without "surgically" 8-) turning Bond Japanese. Though I have to admit the scene with OO7 in the clean room surrounded by beautiful woman dying his chest hair like they are performing open heart surgery in YOLT always makes me laugh! :))
    Though the PTS in TSWLM is excellent & Jaws is a great bad guy simply changing the space ships to submarines wasn't enough. Overrated but still a good film
  • HalconHalcon Zen TemplePosts: 486MI6 Agent
    Goldfinger
  • LukeLuke USAPosts: 99MI6 Agent
    Thunderball and TSWLM.

    I actually like TSWLM, but I disagree with the general consensus that says it is the best Moore film. I find LALD much more unique, fun, and dynamic. I rank TSWLM very closely to TMWTGG. (which I incidentally think is very underrated).

    Thunderball gets a few points for its iconic scenes and memorable moments, but overall I find it tedious predictable. It has very few memorable characters, and the third act is pretty sysmal despite its scope.

    I also agree that MR is rather overrated. Horrible, horrible film, and easily Moore's worst. I prefer Homer's choice over MR any day. Octopussy is silly, but it has color and spunk and a pretty good ending. MR is one of the few Bond films that I have serious trouble watching all the way through.
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  • zaphodzaphod Posts: 1,183MI6 Agent
    Much as I like it ( and I really do ) my vote goes to Skyfall. There said it, outed myself as a dissenter. Perhaps I should clarify...Skyfall is a fine Bond film, one of the highlights of the series so far. But...it has flaws. Initially I was sucked into a kind of giddy euphoria, so grateful was I that it wasn't another QOS. Subsequent viewings have lead to diminishing returns.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Just the opposite for me. I've seen Skyfall three times now, and the more I see it, the more I like it.
    zaphod wrote:
    Much as I like it ( and I really do ) my vote goes to Skyfall. There said it, outed myself as a dissenter. Perhaps I should clarify...Skyfall is a fine Bond film, one of the highlights of the series so far. But...it has flaws. Initially I was sucked into a kind of giddy euphoria, so grateful was I that it wasn't another QOS. Subsequent viewings have lead to diminishing returns.
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  • lahainelahaine Posts: 44MI6 Agent
    zaphod wrote:
    Much as I like it ( and I really do ) my vote goes to Skyfall. There said it, outed myself as a dissenter. Perhaps I should clarify...Skyfall is a fine Bond film, one of the highlights of the series so far. But...it has flaws. Initially I was sucked into a kind of giddy euphoria, so grateful was I that it wasn't another QOS. Subsequent viewings have lead to diminishing returns.

    What?? seriously its the best Bond film since From Russia with Love for me.
  • lahainelahaine Posts: 44MI6 Agent
    Goldeneye for me. Everyone said it was an amazing return but for me Bronson never convinced me he could fight his way out of a paperbag. Too busy bedding the ladies and spewing out cheesy one liners a la Moore. Sean Bean and Famke Janssen, were great but it shows doesn't matter if a guy looks like Bond doesn't mean he can act like him. Pity casue i did enjoy it as a 14 year old.
  • Blood_StoneBlood_Stone Posts: 183MI6 Agent
    Remove the idiot sheriff and the nonsensicle Solex Agitator subplot. Also, make Mary Goodnight an actual useful Bond girl and The Man With The Golden Gun would've been a million times better.
  • zaphodzaphod Posts: 1,183MI6 Agent
    lahaine wrote:
    zaphod wrote:
    Much as I like it ( and I really do ) my vote goes to Skyfall. There said it, outed myself as a dissenter. Perhaps I should clarify...Skyfall is a fine Bond film, one of the highlights of the series so far. But...it has flaws. Initially I was sucked into a kind of giddy euphoria, so grateful was I that it wasn't another QOS. Subsequent viewings have lead to diminishing returns.

    What?? seriously its the best Bond film since From Russia with Love for me.


    It is very good. What I was getting at is it's not perfect, and personally I would rank FRWL, OHMSS, & CR above it. I think it stretches plausibility even for a Bond film and exhibits internal inconsistencies and is overly derivative (Batman). I found the PTS overly long and a failed attempt to generate the excitement of the Parkour scene in CR by throwing in everything including the kitchen sink. I also felt that the third act sagged and was too Home Alone for my tastes, and the one-liners clunky. These factors along with for me ( I appreciate others see it differently) the serious lack of glamour/ eye candy mean I cannot join the almost hysterically positive views that seem prominent here.

    I honestly do feel that so many of us were bitterly disappointed and let down by QOS that we are viewing SKyfall through Rose tinted spectacles. I think a revisionist history may emerge over time.
  • Mr_Sable_BasiliskMr_Sable_Basilisk BerlinPosts: 50MI6 Agent
    I have to agree with zaphod. Skyfall is a very good Bond movie. Certainly in my top ten but
    not in my top five. It is not better than CR and I'm a great lover of the 60's Bonds so it's a tough call to get in my top five. I also missed a bit of eye candy. But you can't have Eva Green, Diana Rigg or Sophie Marceau in every movie allthough I would't complain.
  • lahainelahaine Posts: 44MI6 Agent
    I have to agree with zaphod. Skyfall is a very good Bond movie. Certainly in my top ten but
    not in my top five. It is not better than CR and I'm a great lover of the 60's Bonds so it's a tough call to get in my top five. I also missed a bit of eye candy. But you can't have Eva Green, Diana Rigg or Sophie Marceau in every movie allthough I would't complain.

    Casino royale and Skyfall are neck and neck for me for the Best Bond film. I have to say Serverne was one of the most sexy Bond girls ever and I agree Eva Green was one hot Bond Girl. I loe the 60's Bond well FRWL and Goldfinger and OHSMS, hold up ver well but the realism and grittness of Craig's Bonds just ooze coolness.
  • lahainelahaine Posts: 44MI6 Agent
    zaphod wrote:
    lahaine wrote:
    zaphod wrote:
    Much as I like it ( and I really do ) my vote goes to Skyfall. There said it, outed myself as a dissenter. Perhaps I should clarify...Skyfall is a fine Bond film, one of the highlights of the series so far. But...it has flaws. Initially I was sucked into a kind of giddy euphoria, so grateful was I that it wasn't another QOS. Subsequent viewings have lead to diminishing returns.

    What?? seriously its the best Bond film since From Russia with Love for me.


    It is very good. What I was getting at is it's not perfect, and personally I would rank FRWL, OHMSS, & CR above it. I think it stretches plausibility even for a Bond film and exhibits internal inconsistencies and is overly derivative (Batman). I found the PTS overly long and a failed attempt to generate the excitement of the Parkour scene in CR by throwing in everything including the kitchen sink. I also felt that the third act sagged and was too Home Alone for my tastes, and the one-liners clunky. These factors along with for me ( I appreciate others see it differently) the serious lack of glamour/ eye candy mean I cannot join the almost hysterically positive views that seem prominent here.

    I honestly do feel that so many of us were bitterly disappointed and let down by QOS that we are viewing SKyfall through Rose tinted spectacles. I think a revisionist history may emerge over time.

    I taught the third act in Skyfall was one of the greatest moments ever with Bond shown he's a one man army. I never get the complaints of the Home alone thing. QoS is getting more love now then ever. I think a lot of hate comes from die hard Bond fans of the Connery Bronson Moore Era who just don't want Bond to change. But Craig's Bond has become the most successful since Connery. Its the biggest grossing Bond film ever and best reviewed of all the Bond film's. I do think a lot of tecomplaints are from Hard Lined Bond fans who don't want to let go of the past. I'm not saying thats you Zaphod :)
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,288MI6 Agent
    edited November 2012
    I'd previously posted that FYEO was overrated but that was several years ago. For me, Casino Royale is now not only the most overrated Bond but also one of the worst entries in the series given my tastes. My problems with the movie are twofold:

    I do not agree or like many of the creative decisions made: rebooting the series, robbing Bond of his history, turning him into a humorless, borderline thug with a perpetual chip on his shoulder, and Paul Haggis' incessant deconstruction of everything that makes Bond who he is (or was). Vesper was a weak, pathetic and ultimately cowardly character and LeChiffre's motivations were shallow; he had no grand plan at all, his only agenda was trying to save his skin.

    In terms of writing, I thought the film was also very poor upon even a cursory analysis. After all the build-up before the poker game of playing against the opponent and not the cards and all the bits about the tell, Bond wins the game not by guile or cunning but by the very luck of the cards. When Bond is being tortured by Le Chiffre, he escapes not by his wits or resourcefulness but by a cheap deus-ex-machina plot device (to be fair this is from the novel but that still doesn't change the fact that its a weak way to extricate Bond or excuse its presence in the film). When he is trying to rescue Vesper at the end he loses the briefcase with the money as we see Mr. White walk away with it; Bond has thus completely failed at his mission - he failed to bring Le Chiffre in alive and he indirectly funded White's illegal activities by losing the money. Bond tracks down White not by detective work but, incredibly, by a second deus-ex-machina plot contrivance in the form of a text message conveniently left for him by Vesper on her phone before she died.

    For a film that prides itself on its writing Casino Royale is actually a very poorly constructed story that completely collapses under its own weight. While that complaint could be leveled at any number of Bond films, Casino Royale tried to pass itself off as something else: a serious, well-written film, which in my opinion it clearly was not.
  • AdamOmegaAdamOmega Edmonton, AB, CanadaPosts: 297MI6 Agent
    Thunderball strikes me (terrible pun kind-of intended) as the most overrated Bond film of all; it's not objectively bad, but I find it quite mediocre, and sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who feels this way.

    For such a high-stakes, race-against-the-clock plot, there is little to no genuine suspense in the entire movie -- other than a terrible death by drowning and maybe that sinister health spa device. Yep, a health spa device. Doesn't help matters much that they awkwardly shoehorn in that absurd-looking jetpack at the start of the film, or that by the end of it we are watching several minutes of slow-motion "spectacle" that even Terence Young himself admitted was "anti-Bond". Even Emilio Largo couldn't save this one; they figured slapping an eyepatch on Adolfo Celi would make up for any lack of personality.

    While I don't believe that all Bond films owe themselves to be exactly like the books, I feel like this one had real pacing issues that the Ian Fleming novel managed to avoid (not to mention the removal of the "red-eyed catacomb" sequence, which in my opinion was a huge loss). Thunderball could have done a great deal better had it stuck closer to its source material. To me, it seems like fans are quick to praise Thunderball simply because it's a 60's Bond film starring Sean Connery and a huge box office success; on a purely artistic level, I fail to see what makes this movie so remarkable.
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  • lahainelahaine Posts: 44MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    I'd previously posted that FYEO was overrated but that was several years ago. For me, Casino Royale is now not only the most overrated Bond but also one of the worst entries in the series given my tastes. My problems with the movie are twofold:

    I do not agree or like many of the creative decisions made: rebooting the series, robbing Bond of his history, turning him into a humorless, borderline thug with a perpetual chip on his shoulder, and Paul Haggis' incessant deconstruction of everything that makes Bond who he is (or was). Vesper was a weak, pathetic and ultimately cowardly character and LeChiffre's motivations were shallow; he had no grand plan at all, his only agenda was trying to save his skin.

    In terms of writing, I thought the film was also very poor upon even a cursory analysis. After all the build-up before the poker game of playing against the opponent and not the cards and all the bits about the tell, Bond wins the game not by guile or cunning but by the very luck of the cards. When Bond is being tortured by Le Chiffre, he escapes not by his wits or resourcefulness but by a cheap deus-ex-machina plot device (to be fair this is from the novel but that still doesn't change the fact that its a weak way to extricate Bond or excuse its presence in the film). When he is trying to rescue Vesper at the end he loses the briefcase with the money as we see Mr. White walk away with it; Bond has thus completely failed at his mission - he failed to bring Le Chiffre in alive and he indirectly funded White's illegal activities by losing the money. Bond tracks down White not by detective work but, incredibly, by a second deus-ex-machina plot contrivance in the form of a text message conveniently left for him by Vesper on her phone before she died.

    For a film that prides itself on its writing Casino Royale is actually a very poorly constructed story that completely collapses under its own weight. While that complaint could be leveled at any number of Bond films, Casino Royale tried to pass itself off as something else: a serious, well-written film, which in my opinion it clearly was not.

    Complete and utter rubbish sorry its you're opinion. Royale saved the Bond Franchise from turning into a complete and utter joke after Jason Bourne was kicking it ass.
  • L JonesL Jones Posts: 131MI6 Agent
    If I had to choose the most overrated Bond film, it would be a tie between "GOLDFINGER" and "SKYFALL".
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    For a film that prides itself on its writing Casino Royale is actually a very poorly constructed story that completely collapses under its own weight.
    While I agree with pretty much everything you wrote, I still enjoy the movie for Daniel's performance.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    AdamOmega wrote:
    To me, it seems like fans are quick to praise Thunderball simply because it's a 60's Bond film starring Sean Connery and a huge box office success; on a purely artistic level, I fail to see what makes this movie so remarkable.
    To me, it's mainly the performances & the photography... Barry's music helps.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I couldn't disagree with you more. I absolutely approve of the reboot and I think reducing Craig's Bond to merely a "humorless, borderline thug" misses the mark by a wide margin. And the fact that Bond makes some misteps as he carries out his mission, well isn't that kind of the point? That he is just coming into his own and isn't quite the polished, assured agent that he will become later? An emotionally wounded man who sometimes let's his emotions interfere with his judgment? At least that's the impression I got from watching Craig's performance, and for me it worked quite well.
    TonyDP wrote:
    I'd previously posted that FYEO was overrated but that was several years ago. For me, Casino Royale is now not only the most overrated Bond but also one of the worst entries in the series given my tastes. My problems with the movie are twofold:

    I do not agree or like many of the creative decisions made: rebooting the series, robbing Bond of his history, turning him into a humorless, borderline thug with a perpetual chip on his shoulder, and Paul Haggis' incessant deconstruction of everything that makes Bond who he is (or was). Vesper was a weak, pathetic and ultimately cowardly character and LeChiffre's motivations were shallow; he had no grand plan at all, his only agenda was trying to save his skin.

    In terms of writing, I thought the film was also very poor upon even a cursory analysis. After all the build-up before the poker game of playing against the opponent and not the cards and all the bits about the tell, Bond wins the game not by guile or cunning but by the very luck of the cards. When Bond is being tortured by Le Chiffre, he escapes not by his wits or resourcefulness but by a cheap deus-ex-machina plot device (to be fair this is from the novel but that still doesn't change the fact that its a weak way to extricate Bond or excuse its presence in the film). When he is trying to rescue Vesper at the end he loses the briefcase with the money as we see Mr. White walk away with it; Bond has thus completely failed at his mission - he failed to bring Le Chiffre in alive and he indirectly funded White's illegal activities by losing the money. Bond tracks down White not by detective work but, incredibly, by a second deus-ex-machina plot contrivance in the form of a text message conveniently left for him by Vesper on her phone before she died.

    For a film that prides itself on its writing Casino Royale is actually a very poorly constructed story that completely collapses under its own weight. While that complaint could be leveled at any number of Bond films, Casino Royale tried to pass itself off as something else: a serious, well-written film, which in my opinion it clearly was not.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I couldn't disagree with you more. I absolutely approve of the reboot and I think reducing Craig's Bond to merely a "humorless, borderline thug" misses the mark by a wide margin.
    Yeah, that's a bit drastic, but CR is not the Godsend some felt it was back in 2006 IMO.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • zaphodzaphod Posts: 1,183MI6 Agent
    I couldn't disagree with you more. I absolutely approve of the reboot and I think reducing Craig's Bond to merely a "humorless, borderline thug" misses the mark by a wide margin. And the fact that Bond makes some misteps as he carries out his mission, well isn't that kind of the point? That he is just coming into his own and isn't quite the polished, assured agent that he will become later? An emotionally wounded man who sometimes let's his emotions interfere with his judgment? At least that's the impression I got from watching Craig's performance, and for me it worked quite well.
    TonyDP wrote:
    I'd previously posted that FYEO was overrated but that was several years ago. For me, Casino Royale is now not only the most overrated Bond but also one of the worst entries in the series given my tastes. My problems with the movie are twofold:

    I do not agree or like many of the creative decisions made: rebooting the series, robbing Bond of his history, turning him into a humorless, borderline thug with a perpetual chip on his shoulder, and Paul Haggis' incessant deconstruction of everything that makes Bond who he is (or was). Vesper was a weak, pathetic and ultimately cowardly character and LeChiffre's motivations were shallow; he had no grand plan at all, his only agenda was trying to save his skin.

    In terms of writing, I thought the film was also very poor upon even a cursory analysis. After all the build-up before the poker game of playing against the opponent and not the cards and all the bits about the tell, Bond wins the game not by guile or cunning but by the very luck of the cards. When Bond is being tortured by Le Chiffre, he escapes not by his wits or resourcefulness but by a cheap deus-ex-machina plot device (to be fair this is from the novel but that still doesn't change the fact that its a weak way to extricate Bond or excuse its presence in the film). When he is trying to rescue Vesper at the end he loses the briefcase with the money as we see Mr. White walk away with it; Bond has thus completely failed at his mission - he failed to bring Le Chiffre in alive and he indirectly funded White's illegal activities by losing the money. Bond tracks down White not by detective work but, incredibly, by a second deus-ex-machina plot contrivance in the form of a text message conveniently left for him by Vesper on her phone before she died.

    For a film that prides itself on its writing Casino Royale is actually a very poorly constructed story that completely collapses under its own weight. While that complaint could be leveled at any number of Bond films, Casino Royale tried to pass itself off as something else: a serious, well-written film, which in my opinion it clearly was not.


    Should we not be seeing the finished article by now? Three films in and he seems to have by passed fully formed and gone straight to burnt out.
  • lahainelahaine Posts: 44MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    I couldn't disagree with you more. I absolutely approve of the reboot and I think reducing Craig's Bond to merely a "humorless, borderline thug" misses the mark by a wide margin.
    Yeah, that's a bit drastic, but CR is not the Godsend some felt it was back in 2006 IMO.

    Its far more important then that a classic Bond after years of average bond films that were treated like jokes. That could be held up agaisn't any Bond film in Connery's era. It made Bond cool again and Craig is certainly goingto be up there with Connery. Thank god for Casino Royale -{
  • L JonesL Jones Posts: 131MI6 Agent
    I take back my previous post. It's not a tie between "GOLDFINGER" and "SKYFALL" for me. Although I feel that "SKYFALL" is vastly overrated, I believe that "GOLDFINGER" is even more so.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Very interesting. Time will tell.....
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    Goldfinger, to me is awful. I respect how much it affected the Bond franchise, and I love the DB5, but everything else annoys me and it defiantly wins most overrated garbage in the world, second to the dancing with wolves rip off, Avatar. TLD, CR, TB & GE are all great films but I do feel are a bit overrated. Skyfall is epic and amazing and is my second favourite Bond film, so back off!
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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    zaphod wrote:
    Should we not be seeing the finished article by now? Three films in and he seems to have by passed fully formed and gone straight to burnt out.

    my thoughts exactly. Just one of the many reasons why SKYFALL gets my vote for "most overrated"

    Next would be the Connery Bond films in general. His first 3 are great, but his last 3 are almost unwatchable. The masses tend to claim Sean is the greatest without really having much knowledge of the series.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • TheundeadkennedyTheundeadkennedy Posts: 292MI6 Agent
    Goldfinger. I love Connery's Bond, but to me Goldfinger is seriously overrated.
  • TheundeadkennedyTheundeadkennedy Posts: 292MI6 Agent
    Just the opposite for me. I've seen Skyfall three times now, and the more I see it, the more I like it.

    Same here. Better every time.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I have quite a bit of knowledge about the series, thank you, and I think Connery's films are the overall best of the series. I'll admit that DAF was the weakest of the lot, but when I compare Connery's total output to the rest, his films still come out on top.
    Firemass wrote:
    zaphod wrote:
    Should we not be seeing the finished article by now? Three films in and he seems to have by passed fully formed and gone straight to burnt out.

    my thoughts exactly. Just one of the many reasons why SKYFALL gets my vote for "most overrated"

    Next would be the Connery Bond films in general. His first 3 are great, but his last 3 are almost unwatchable. The masses tend to claim Sean is the greatest without really having much knowledge of the series.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
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