Solange?

Tilly Masterson 007

Was that the body of Solange that was found by Bond and M?

Barry Nelson

Yes it was and what a terrible waste. Murino deserved more screen time in my opinion. Compare the use of the female characters in CR with TB. In TB, four female characters are introduced, all get a decent amount of screen time and all do a nice job. In CR, Murino is introduced, seems to have some spark with Craig and then basicaly disappears, killed and apparently tortured off camera. When she is discovered,it isn't even clear it is her. Too bad, I think she could have been one of the most exotic and soulful Bond girls in a long time.

Tilly Masterson 007

Agreed, seems they are quite complacent to kill off the bond girls in this film, Solange and Vesper......like you said what a waste.

Number24

I think Solange's fate showed how Bond uses people. She was partly in CR for estetic reasons, partly to give Bond info on the Miami attack and partly to show him coldly using people.

jherman

They totally wasted a great actress and beautiful woman.Dhould have Eva killed off.

I wonder if they whipped her butt like Bonds,what a great butt for whipping.B-){[]

walther p99

Bond used her?

A7ce

Well she did tell him that Demetrious was on the last flight to Miami.

lavabubble

walther p99 wrote:

Bond used her?

It all depends how you define 'used'. He was never going to have a serious relationship with her and would have slept with her had the phone call not interrupted. That could be classed as using her perhaps.

At least he has the decency to do some sort of seduction technique on the ladies before he tries his luck :007) -{

jherman

lavabubble wrote:

walther p99 wrote:

Bond used her?

It all depends how you define 'used'. He was never going to have a serious relationship with her and would have slept with her had the phone call not interrupted. That could be classed as using her perhaps.

At least he has the decency to do some sort of seduction technique on the ladies before he tries his luck :007) -{

He mite have got a quicky before leaving her,he did seem upset they killed his new toy.

Nightshooter

jherman wrote:

They totally wasted a great actress and beautiful woman.Dhould have Eva killed off.

Actually, Eva's character WAS killed off. She sort of committed suicide...

jherman

Nightshooter wrote:

jherman wrote:

They totally wasted a great actress and beautiful woman.Dhould have Eva killed off.

Actually, Eva's character WAS killed off. She sort of committed suicide...

Your right but,Eva should have die sooner Solange.

PoorMansJB

jherman wrote:

Your right but,Eva should have die sooner Solange.

Okay, Solange is the traditional "sacrificial lamb" while Vesper is the heroine; sorry if you felt the casting should have been reversed, but the film succeeds to the extent that does based on a certain character structure.

emtiem

Barry Nelson wrote:

Yes it was and what a terrible waste. Murino deserved more screen time in my opinion. Compare the use of the female characters in CR with TB. In TB, four female characters are introduced, all get a decent amount of screen time and all do a nice job. In CR, Murino is introduced, seems to have some spark with Craig and then basicaly disappears, killed and apparently tortured off camera. When she is discovered,it isn't even clear it is her. Too bad, I think she could have been one of the most exotic and soulful Bond girls in a long time.

She was fine- gorgeous although not the greatest actress ever. Far from terrible, though. I'm not sure how you would have fitted into the story, though- it is supposed to be a love story between Bond and Vesper. Comparing it to Thunderball doesn't work- it's more like OHMSS where Bond is supposed to be in love with the main girl. She's the equivalent of Ruby or someone like that.

General_Ourumov

I could sense that Murino was a pretty below-average actress, and, having been billed seventh, I was very concerned that she'd be in it a lot more than she was. To my relief, this wasn't the case. Very attractive girl; but that's about it really.

Moore Not Less

For sure, Caterina Murino is not a great actress, but she is very good eye candy. She looks like a real Bond girl beauty. Eva Green is not such good eye candy, but is still attractive. She is the better actress and is a very worthy Vesper Lynd. No complaints from me then regarding their respective roles. I just wish Murino's role as Solange would have been expanded a bit more. She was barely on screen five minutes.

blueman

I was impressed that with how little screen time she got, she really stood out as a pretty fully-realized character. Good writing/directing/acting all around, I mean there have been Bond leading ladies who came off thinner...:(

A7ce

poor girl, her name Solange wasn't even mentioned on screen.

blueman

Yep, another no-name.

There were a lot of things in CR that could've gotten more screen time, but didn't and instead we get: more Bond. I'll take that trade-off any day.

Barry Nelson

How in the world can people say Murino was not a good actress? Based on what, did you make that determination? Did she not get off the horse right? Did she not fall out of bed with Bond right? Did she not utter her line in the casino right?

I don't know if she is a good actress or not, I haven't seen enough of her. But, I think her character could have been developed more. I'm not talking about 20 minutes of screen time, I 'm talking, one or two more scenes. Maybe how she is killed, so we can see how ruthless Bond's enemies are. Maybe when she discovers Bond has left her. I felt something else was needed, it was liked the character was introduced and then she disappears only to be seen as a corpse.

My comparison to TB, wasn't that CR should be like TB, they are two different stories. My point was TB had four female characters and all seemed like well developed characters, even if their screen time was small, like Molly Peters.

I repeat that I liked CR, but one of my small complaints was Solange was an under developed character.

JennyFlexFan

Murino was definitely gorgeous and wasted. However, she looked awkward riding the horse (she's no Jenny Flex ) and I think that she should've been Vesper instead of Green. Well, maybe not. Still, waste of a beauty. Maybe they should've developed her, along with the rest of the ENITRE cast.

blueman

Yep, point taken, she could've been used more.

The flip side of this, she could've been cut completely. The only plot point she serves is to tell Bond Demetrios left for Miami, something he could've found out from the desk clerk, a bellboy, a cabbie, etc. For a character with such an obviously artificial reason to exist, I thought she had some goodly screen time. Could've been more, sure, but I think I'd want her to have more to do with the story then. I did think she was fine as an actress (the "no-name" comment was about us not ever hearing her name, like many memorable characters in many memorable movies, we only know their names from reading them in the credits).

I liked her, thought she was cute and all. I also liked they kept the plot moving, and focused on Bond. Unlike TB, where if you blink you might miss a scene Connery's in, CR is all about Craig/Bond. After so many lather-rinse-repeat plots that have had Bond bouncing around like a pinball, CR was a nice change of pace. What was really nice about Solange that she did have such a clear character set up so well and fast, nice job by the writers/director and Ms. Murino. {[]

JennyFlexFan

Interesting you note that, because while I love Bond (well, of course or else I wouldn't be here!) but I always dislike it when movies center around ONE person (which is why I hated MI:2 so much because it was Tom Cruise: The Movie). While I didn't mind Craig, I always like it when attention is shared all around and it was blatantly obvious in this movie that it was a BOND movie (as in the only character they progress is Bond), as witness by the moopy villains, the average Vesper, and the throwaway Bond girls.

blueman

To each his own, and I salute you Jenny Flex Fan! {[]

MI-6 AGENT 003

Anyone know where you can get pics of Solange in CR? I've seen some promo shot's but I'm looking more for her in the scenes. Also would like to find the last one with her in it after she is killed.

Hardyboy

I don't understand this business about Caterina Murino not getting enough screen time or about her being "wasted." There is a long tradition in the Bond films of good women who have a brief fling with Bond and then end up dead at the hands of the enemy (Jill Masterson, Paula, Plenty O'Toole, Contessa Lisl. . .I could go on). Kingsley Amis long ago theorized that such characters--and a few of the male allies who get done in by the baddies, such as Kerim Bey--are "obligatory sacrificial lambs," people who suffer and die to show the ruthlessness of the enemy and to give Bond a personal reason to go after him. Solange had a couple of good scenes, her character was well established, she looked great, and she served her function in the story. What do people want--? Vesper and Solange mud-wrestling over Bond's affections?

. . .OK, forget I asked that last question!

emtiem

Barry Nelson wrote:

How in the world can people say Murino was not a good actress? Based on what, did you make that determination?

In the same way that Jeffery Wright impressed me and made me thought he'd one of the best actors to play Felix (if not the best), even though he only had a line or two. You just know.

Barry Nelson wrote:

I 'm talking, one or two more scenes. Maybe how she is killed, so we can see how ruthless Bond's enemies are. Maybe when she discovers Bond has left her. I felt something else was needed, it was liked the character was introduced and then she disappears only to be seen as a corpse.

They torture and kill her- they seem ruthless enough from that. There's still no room for more of her. I'd have liked Bond to her given her one, but having her there for a short time was much better than not having her there at all.

jherman

There would have been more room for her if they would have got ride of some much Eva.

The better looking actress should have had the most screen time,that wasn't Eva.It seem that the casting director was blind when they cast Eva as the leading lady

s96024

I think Eva had the better look for that character (she was more sophisticated). Personally Eva is more attractive than Murino. But each to their own. I believe she is a great actress from what i've heard, but wouldn't have been right in the role of Vesper.

Moore Not Less

Hardyboy wrote:

What do people want--? Vesper and Solange mud-wrestling over Bond's affections?

. . .OK, forget I asked that last question!

Why should I forget?

Anyway, with the new emphasis on Bond as a sex symbol it's more likely we would have seen him and Le Chiffre mud wrestling over Vesper Lynd's affection.

Gassy Man

It's interesting how tastes are purely subjective. I not only found Murino quite pleasant to look at but quite good at providing more gravitas to her role than lesser actresses might have. She conveyed sparks of personality, an undertone of playful sexuality without being sleazy, and a hint of tragedy without being self-pitying. She is more dimensional despite her brief appearance than, say, Denise Richards, Halle Berry, Terry Hatcher, Talisa Soto, and Tanya Roberts combined and harkens back to some of the better Bond women in the earlier films. I would have preferred a little more with her than we got.

jherman

Hardyboy wrote:

What do people want--? Vesper and Solange mud-wrestling over Bond's affections?

. . .OK, forget I asked that last question!

Hell yeah,I want to mud wrestle think Caterina.i would like too....

Well that mite be to much info.....{[]