Well dc wore a vintage SM for the sp press launch, I have one of those too {[]
Great minds think alike and I would have wet myself if it had shown up in the film (nice to have been ahead of the curve for once only ever did that with the PTI top in SF but then I was 20 years too early!!)
Cheers :007)
Apparently Omega gave DC the vintage SM300, it was built the year he was born, love that watch, mine was my grandfathers that I refurbished as it was "well worn" still have all the original parts safe though.
Well dc wore a vintage SM for the sp press launch, I have one of those too {[]
Great minds think alike and I would have wet myself if it had shown up in the film (nice to have been ahead of the curve for once only ever did that with the PTI top in SF but then I was 20 years too early!!)
Cheers :007)
Apparently Omega gave DC the vintage SM300, it was built the year he was born, love that watch, mine was my grandfathers that I refurbished as it was "well worn" still have all the original parts safe though.
Man you guys have all the luck getting them for free. I got mine on eBay no one bid for it because it had a broken mainspring. 4 weeks later it was serviced and fixed and I was still quids in - timing is everything. That said I did have my hands on one 30 years ago but like a **** I traded it for a new CWC at the time. Why? because the SM300 was old and knackered and the CWC was new and smaller (if only I had have known then what I knew now!)
Cheers :007)
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
My new (to me) Rolex Submariner. I'm the second owner of this beauty. It's a 1999 model and it came with all the proper documentation and box. I'm hoping Higgins can help me out determining if it's a 14060 or 14060m. I know 1999 was the transition year to the "modified" movement. Any help from the watch experts is appreciated, cheers!
I can assure you Higgins I had similar thoughts, the property that is sold is property of the criminals, not stolen property, items including cars, boats and even houses and flats can be seized. Obviously the police check all available databases to check if any item is reported as stolen and if it is lengths are taken by police forces to get valuables back to the rightful owner or the insurance company that has paid out for them, interestingly insurance companies also sell certain products that have been paid out for then recovered. I would never be happy wearing anything that was stolen from someone, but I have no quandary with buying a cheap item that was taken from a drug smuggler, the proceeds of which are used to subsidise the cost of policing.
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
My new (to me) Rolex Submariner. I'm the second owner of this beauty. It's a 1999 model and it came with all the proper documentation and box. I'm hoping Higgins can help me out determining if it's a 14060 or 14060m. I know 1999 was the transition year to the "modified" movement. Any help from the watch experts is appreciated, cheers!
I have a 14060M (2006) 2 line and it says 'Swiss Made' on the dial. That one says 'Swiss'. Maybe that identifies it as a 14060 or maybe just the year.
Regardless, it's a fantastic, classic watch! Congratulations!
If you turn the crown clockwise, and the hands move counter-clockwise, then you have a 3000 Cal. (14060). If you follow the previously prescribed method and the hands move in the same rotation as the crown then you have the 14060M with the modified movement. My "SWISS" Only dial 14060
U85XXXX Serial says hi!
Regards,
Nick D.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
If you turn the crown clockwise, and the hands move counter-clockwise, then you have a 3000 Cal. (14060). If you follow the previously prescribed method and the hands move in the same rotation as the crown then you have the 14060M with the modified movement. My "SWISS" Only dial 14060
U85XXXX Serial says hi!
Regards,
Nick D.
This isn't entirely true. You can find the hands turn with the crown clockwise on both models. It's an urban myth that's been perpetuated on forums that there is a 100% distinction.
The best way of finding if you have an M model is by taking off the bracelet and looking at the model reference on the case.
Just wondering ... is the Rolex database / lost & stolen list a myth or does it really exist? Heard so many contradictory stories regarding this! If it's 'real', is there a way that the average man on the street can access this in order to certify that a potential purchase isn't a very expensive risk as such? Can Rolex owners actually register their watches anywhere (other than through insurers)?
Many thanks in advance for any assistance.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
Just wondering ... is the Rolex database / lost & stolen list a myth or does it really exist? Heard so many contradictory stories regarding this! If it's 'real', is there a way that the average man on the street can access this in order to certify that a potential purchase isn't a very expensive risk as such? Can Rolex owners actually register their watches anywhere (other than through insurers)?
Many thanks in advance for any assistance.
Yes it's real. You have to register and pay to have access to it. Used to be free. An AD can check a watch through there for you, although many won't want to as it can raise hassles for them if it is stolen. You need the watch to be present though.
Your watch is registered at Rolex by the AD when you buy it automatically now, otherwise it will be registered when you service it with them.
Thanks for the great reply Asp9mm - much appreciated.
Does this database go back a few years or is it relatively recent? My question is solely to cover the possibility of buying a 10+ year old Rolex, as opposed to something more recent?
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
The way how Rolex handles their databases is highly controversial among collectors, but if you really think it thru, it's extremely well.
Collectors moan that you can't check somewhere online, but there are 2 reasons why that would not be:
1. Liability: Just imagine that someone buys a watch that does not show up on a potentially public Rolex List.
If that watch turns out stolen later, they'd sue Rolex for sure!
2. Sneaky people.
The rule is that the watch must be present with Rolex or an AD when it's checked.
The watch will not be returned to the present owner if it's flagged as stolen for a good reason.
I know that many people are deliberately not sending their Rolex to RSC because they are afraid, that they are in the database and are getting seized. The same people would avoid any Rolex Dealer or RSC in the future for sure after they've found out that their watch is on "The List"!
And that will mean that they find it acceptable to live with a stolen watch instead of doing the right thing!
The main problem is, that they buy from sellers that are not completely trustworthy and will not stand up if a watch being sold by them is stolen. So, I blame the buyer of those watches and doing so, they must accept the potential loss when they buy a used watch from a doubtful source.
Just put yourself in the shoes of someone, who's gotten his watch stolen. You'd not be happy if Rolex would help everybody by publishing their registry of stolen watches to warn people to not bring these stolen watches to a Service Centre.
So, if there was a public available Database, consequently the number of watches that are kept by RSC - because they are stolen - would drop to Zero!
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I've always wondered why insurance companies have not created a watch register where you can register your watch and this would be referred to by police forces, watch dealers etc etc and and any stolen watch is marked as so. After all we have this for cars and in a lot of cases people are driving a car worth £1000 with far more protection than someone with a £20k watch. Even a lot of car manufacturers do their own similar thing, with my car I can register it with my details with alfa romeo using a phone number on the window. Watches should have far more comprehensive protection. My watch insurance company insists on all the details and photographs of the watch from the face and the case back and the movement if the watch is valued above £2600.
If you turn the crown clockwise, and the hands move counter-clockwise, then you have a 3000 Cal. (14060). If you follow the previously prescribed method and the hands move in the same rotation as the crown then you have the 14060M with the modified movement. My "SWISS" Only dial 14060
U85XXXX Serial says hi!
Regards,
Nick D.
This isn't entirely true. You can find the hands turn with the crown clockwise on both models. It's an urban myth that's been perpetuated on forums that there is a 100% distinction.
The best way of finding if you have an M model is by taking off the bracelet and looking at the model reference on the case.
Could you clarify this?
The 14060 has the 3000 Caliber; the 3000 Caliber will move the hands clockwise when the crown is moved in a counter-clockwise direction. The movement that is in the 14060M functions exactly the opposite in respect to the movement of the crown to the hands.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
If you turn the crown clockwise, and the hands move counter-clockwise, then you have a 3000 Cal. (14060). If you follow the previously prescribed method and the hands move in the same rotation as the crown then you have the 14060M with the modified movement. My "SWISS" Only dial 14060
U85XXXX Serial says hi!
Regards,
Nick D.
This isn't entirely true. You can find the hands turn with the crown clockwise on both models. It's an urban myth that's been perpetuated on forums that there is a 100% distinction.
The best way of finding if you have an M model is by taking off the bracelet and looking at the model reference on the case.
Could you clarify this?
The 14060 has the 3000 Caliber; the 3000 Caliber will move the hands clockwise when the crown is moved in a counter-clockwise direction. The movement that is in the 14060M functions exactly the opposite in respect to the movement of the crown to the hands.
I have another question for the Rolex experts. I'm curious if the spring bar protruding from the lug hole is acceptable? The spring bar sticks out on the top right lug and I'm not sure if it should. All of the other spring bars are recessed in the lugs. Pictures are below and any thoughts are appreciated! Thanks!
It's not the problem of the spring bar - it's the problem of a ground-down lug.
The second pic looks like the lug is heavily polished down - I'd never buy such a watch.
The lugs on the left side of a Sub are usually thicker than the lugs on the crownside. But not to an extend that the bar ends peek out.
As for springbars peeking out, make sure that the springbars are genuine.
Genuine springbars don't peek out unless the lug is polished down.
But you can move the springbar a tiny bit from the left to the right and versa.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Why would a lug be so heavily ground? It seems excessive unless it's just the photo. Surely if it had sustained a deep enough gouge to warrant such heavy grinding the rest of the watch would show signs of heavy use?
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Man you guys have all the luck getting them for free. I got mine on eBay no one bid for it because it had a broken mainspring. 4 weeks later it was serviced and fixed and I was still quids in - timing is everything. That said I did have my hands on one 30 years ago but like a **** I traded it for a new CWC at the time. Why? because the SM300 was old and knackered and the CWC was new and smaller (if only I had have known then what I knew now!)
Cheers :007)
TBH, I have never been the guy going into dial details and stuff to id a certain modelyear.
Doesn't it say it on the warranty document?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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Regardless, it's a fantastic, classic watch! Congratulations!
Thanks Higgins and Uncle as well. I'm always impressed by the friendliness and knowledge on this forum! -{
So if you are not the original owner of such a watch, it's difficult judging a watch by its dial alone.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
U85XXXX Serial says hi!
Regards,
Nick D.
This isn't entirely true. You can find the hands turn with the crown clockwise on both models. It's an urban myth that's been perpetuated on forums that there is a 100% distinction.
The best way of finding if you have an M model is by taking off the bracelet and looking at the model reference on the case.
Many thanks in advance for any assistance.
Yes it's real. You have to register and pay to have access to it. Used to be free. An AD can check a watch through there for you, although many won't want to as it can raise hassles for them if it is stolen. You need the watch to be present though.
Your watch is registered at Rolex by the AD when you buy it automatically now, otherwise it will be registered when you service it with them.
Does this database go back a few years or is it relatively recent? My question is solely to cover the possibility of buying a 10+ year old Rolex, as opposed to something more recent?
Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142210137032
Collectors moan that you can't check somewhere online, but there are 2 reasons why that would not be:
1. Liability: Just imagine that someone buys a watch that does not show up on a potentially public Rolex List.
If that watch turns out stolen later, they'd sue Rolex for sure!
2. Sneaky people.
The rule is that the watch must be present with Rolex or an AD when it's checked.
The watch will not be returned to the present owner if it's flagged as stolen for a good reason.
I know that many people are deliberately not sending their Rolex to RSC because they are afraid, that they are in the database and are getting seized. The same people would avoid any Rolex Dealer or RSC in the future for sure after they've found out that their watch is on "The List"!
And that will mean that they find it acceptable to live with a stolen watch instead of doing the right thing!
The main problem is, that they buy from sellers that are not completely trustworthy and will not stand up if a watch being sold by them is stolen. So, I blame the buyer of those watches and doing so, they must accept the potential loss when they buy a used watch from a doubtful source.
Just put yourself in the shoes of someone, who's gotten his watch stolen. You'd not be happy if Rolex would help everybody by publishing their registry of stolen watches to warn people to not bring these stolen watches to a Service Centre.
So, if there was a public available Database, consequently the number of watches that are kept by RSC - because they are stolen - would drop to Zero!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
thanks.
The 14060 has the 3000 Caliber; the 3000 Caliber will move the hands clockwise when the crown is moved in a counter-clockwise direction. The movement that is in the 14060M functions exactly the opposite in respect to the movement of the crown to the hands.
No, not necessarily.
Recessed:
Protruding:
The second pic looks like the lug is heavily polished down - I'd never buy such a watch.
The lugs on the left side of a Sub are usually thicker than the lugs on the crownside. But not to an extend that the bar ends peek out.
As for springbars peeking out, make sure that the springbars are genuine.
Genuine springbars don't peek out unless the lug is polished down.
But you can move the springbar a tiny bit from the left to the right and versa.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!