Skyfall "Most over-rated film of all time"

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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    "The most overrated film of all time" definitely not.

    However, it had been built up so much that I expected more. I liked it, but I expected a new CR or even more (which neither SF nor QoS were). Still, SF is a good movie, and clearly superior to any Bond movie but CR in the last 25 years.

    IMO,in any case Craig will go down in history with just those three movies (even QoS is superior to any Brosnan) as the best Bond since Connery.

    I couldn't agree more.

    Every Bond is hailed the best Bond since Connery.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • AdamOmegaAdamOmega Edmonton, AB, CanadaPosts: 297MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    "The most overrated film of all time" definitely not.

    However, it had been built up so much that I expected more. I liked it, but I expected a new CR or even more (which neither SF nor QoS were). Still, SF is a good movie, and clearly superior to any Bond movie but CR in the last 25 years.

    IMO,in any case Craig will go down in history with just those three movies (even QoS is superior to any Brosnan) as the best Bond since Connery.

    I couldn't agree more.

    Every Bond is hailed the best Bond since Connery.

    It's kind of true, isn't it? I mean they said the same thing about Pierce Brosnan after GoldenEye...
    "The secret agent. The man who was only a silhouette..." -- Ian Fleming, Moonraker

    1) The Spy Who Loved Me 2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service 3) GoldenEye 4) Casino Royale 5) Goldfinger
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    "The most overrated film of all time" definitely not.

    However, it had been built up so much that I expected more. I liked it, but I expected a new CR or even more (which neither SF nor QoS were). Still, SF is a good movie, and clearly superior to any Bond movie but CR in the last 25 years.

    IMO,in any case Craig will go down in history with just those three movies (even QoS is superior to any Brosnan) as the best Bond since Connery.

    I couldn't agree more.

    Every Bond is hailed the best Bond since Connery.

    Perfectly true. And every ex-Bond has been vilified in the popular mass of public opinion when he has been replaced by the new, "best Bond since Connery".

    Craig's films will be subject to the same scrutiny and pulled apart accordingly for their shortcomings which, I suspect, will focus on Craig's lack of ease and levity in the role, his rapid ageing and the general lack of sophistication and humour in the films. And probably the po-faced seriousness of the Craig-Bond project rather than open acknowledgement of genuine escapism.

    And I suspect SKYFALL will end up in the same box as DAD will its equally mindnumbingly unbelievable plot and villain, differentiated only by the fact that DAD did it's thang with a huge smile on its face and a smirk suggesting "you don't really believe we believe any of this **** is meant to be serious, do you?"
  • AdamOmegaAdamOmega Edmonton, AB, CanadaPosts: 297MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:

    I couldn't agree more.

    Every Bond is hailed the best Bond since Connery.

    Perfectly true. And every ex-Bond has been vilified in the popular mass of public opinion when he has been replaced by the new, "best Bond since Connery".

    Craig's films will be subject to the same scrutiny and pulled apart accordingly for their shortcomings which, I suspect, will focus on Craig's lack of ease and levity in the role, his rapid ageing and the general lack of sophistication and humour in the films. And probably the po-faced seriousness of the Craig-Bond project rather than open acknowledgement of genuine escapism.

    And I suspect SKYFALL will end up in the same box as DAD will its equally mindnumbingly unbelievable plot and villain, differentiated only by the fact that DAD did it's thang with a huge smile on its face and a smirk suggesting "you don't really believe we believe any of this **** is meant to be serious, do you?"

    I agree with your first two paragraphs, but I find it hard to believe that Skyfall will ever be considered along the ranks of Die Another Day, especially with regards to its overwhelming financial success and BAFTA wins. Still, it ain't the bee's knees...
    "The secret agent. The man who was only a silhouette..." -- Ian Fleming, Moonraker

    1) The Spy Who Loved Me 2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service 3) GoldenEye 4) Casino Royale 5) Goldfinger
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Perfectly true. And every ex-Bond has been vilified in the popular mass of public opinion when he has been replaced by the new, "best Bond since Connery".

    Craig's films will be subject to the same scrutiny and pulled apart accordingly for their shortcomings which, I suspect, will focus on Craig's lack of ease and levity in the role, his rapid ageing and the general lack of sophistication and humour in the films. And probably the po-faced seriousness of the Craig-Bond project rather than open acknowledgement of genuine escapism.

    And I suspect SKYFALL will end up in the same box as DAD will its equally mindnumbingly unbelievable plot and villain.

    I agree 100% with the above statement.

    AdamO, remember how D.A.D was a huge box-office hit and well received by the critics?
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,604MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:

    I couldn't agree more.

    Every Bond is hailed the best Bond since Connery.

    Perfectly true. And every ex-Bond has been vilified in the popular mass of public opinion when he has been replaced by the new, "best Bond since Connery".

    Craig's films will be subject to the same scrutiny and pulled apart accordingly for their shortcomings which, I suspect, will focus on Craig's lack of ease and levity in the role, his rapid ageing and the general lack of sophistication and humour in the films. And probably the po-faced seriousness of the Craig-Bond project rather than open acknowledgement of genuine escapism.

    And I suspect SKYFALL will end up in the same box as DAD will its equally mindnumbingly unbelievable plot and villain, differentiated only by the fact that DAD did it's thang with a huge smile on its face and a smirk suggesting "you don't really believe we believe any of this **** is meant to be serious, do you?"

    I don't get the "every ex-Bond has been villified" sentiment. Although in some instances successive Bond actors have been viewed more favorably than their predecessors, I think it's an overreaction to say the previous actors were villified. I think both Sean Connery and Roger Moore continue to be well thought of by the general public despite the growing list of successors. And I find it very hard to believe that SF will ever be thought to be on the same level as DAD.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Jag wrote:
    Actually, I happened to catch a bit of Die Another Day on TV recently, and although it was not my favourite movie when it was released, I just realised how much better Brosnan's Bond is than Craig's.

    +1 (although I had realised this a long time ago... about 8 years ago, I think)
    Agreed.

    Brosnan was "the best Bond since Dalton!"

    On topic: I see SF as being considered almost as good as TWINE sometime in future.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.GF 5.DN/GE 6.SP 7.FRWL 8.TB/TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT
  • AdamOmegaAdamOmega Edmonton, AB, CanadaPosts: 297MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Perfectly true. And every ex-Bond has been vilified in the popular mass of public opinion when he has been replaced by the new, "best Bond since Connery".

    Craig's films will be subject to the same scrutiny and pulled apart accordingly for their shortcomings which, I suspect, will focus on Craig's lack of ease and levity in the role, his rapid ageing and the general lack of sophistication and humour in the films. And probably the po-faced seriousness of the Craig-Bond project rather than open acknowledgement of genuine escapism.

    And I suspect SKYFALL will end up in the same box as DAD will its equally mindnumbingly unbelievable plot and villain.

    I agree 100% with the above statement.

    AdamO, remember how D.A.D was a huge box-office hit and well received by the critics?

    Admittedly not; I was about twelve years old when Die Another Day came out & didn't read a ton of reviews from critics, aside from the occasional Roger Ebert contribution. But if Die Another Day can fall from grace, then maybe so can Skyfall.
    "The secret agent. The man who was only a silhouette..." -- Ian Fleming, Moonraker

    1) The Spy Who Loved Me 2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service 3) GoldenEye 4) Casino Royale 5) Goldfinger
  • AdamOmegaAdamOmega Edmonton, AB, CanadaPosts: 297MI6 Agent
    I think it's an overreaction to say the previous actors were villified. I think both Sean Connery and Roger Moore continue to be well thought of by the general public despite the growing list of successors.

    Connery without a doubt. But Moore? He's the internet's least favourite Bond, at least. Do a Google search of Sean Connery and you'd be hard pressed to find an image like this:

    STOP2.jpg
    "The secret agent. The man who was only a silhouette..." -- Ian Fleming, Moonraker

    1) The Spy Who Loved Me 2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service 3) GoldenEye 4) Casino Royale 5) Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    The most over rated film of all time must be
    "The King's speech " Colin Firth can't deliver a line
    without stuttering. You'd think an actor with his talent
    could have covered that up better. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    My single biggest problem with SF is that Craig developed what I call the Daf curse: four years since the last movie and man have you aged. But instead if working with it, they gave him a buzz cut that only accentuated it. ?:)
    Like Jack Slater would say, Big mistake.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.GF 5.DN/GE 6.SP 7.FRWL 8.TB/TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,046Chief of Staff
    chrisisall wrote:
    Brosnan was "the best Bond since Dalton!"

    Wrong tense, Chris, wrong tense. ;)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    I always thought the shaving scene in SF was to show
    Bond emerging fresh again. Like a butterfly. ;) to show
    he's back on form, so he had to look a bit rough before it.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Brosnan was "the best Bond since Dalton!"

    Wrong tense, Chris, wrong tense. ;)

    Sorry, I'll fix it:
    Brosnan is "the best Bond since Dalton!"
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.GF 5.DN/GE 6.SP 7.FRWL 8.TB/TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,046Chief of Staff
    :)) now you're talking!

    Re your other point: SF and TWINE. IMHO they have the same kind.of relationship as QoS and LTK, in that they share many plot/theme similarities.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    :)) now you're talking!

    Re your other point: SF and TWINE. IMHO they have the same kind.of relationship as QoS and LTK, in that they share many plot/theme similarities.
    But, QoS & LTK are better than SF & TWINE! :v
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.GF 5.DN/GE 6.SP 7.FRWL 8.TB/TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT
  • AdamOmegaAdamOmega Edmonton, AB, CanadaPosts: 297MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Barbel wrote:
    :)) now you're talking!

    Re your other point: SF and TWINE. IMHO they have the same kind.of relationship as QoS and LTK, in that they share many plot/theme similarities.
    But, QoS & LTK are better than SF & TWINE! :v

    QoS < TWINE < LTK < SF

    Wait... did I just go to bat for Skyfall? :p
    "The secret agent. The man who was only a silhouette..." -- Ian Fleming, Moonraker

    1) The Spy Who Loved Me 2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service 3) GoldenEye 4) Casino Royale 5) Goldfinger
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,046Chief of Staff
    I was comparing LTK to QoS, and TWINE to SF- not qualitatively, but in their plots and themes.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    I was comparing LTK to QoS, and TWINE to SF- not qualitatively, but in their plots and themes.
    I know, I just had to get my qualitative side comment in. :v
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.GF 5.DN/GE 6.SP 7.FRWL 8.TB/TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,604MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Barbel wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Brosnan was "the best Bond since Dalton!"

    Wrong tense, Chris, wrong tense. ;)

    Sorry, I'll fix it:
    Brosnan is "the best Bond since Dalton!"

    Wrong name, Chris, wrong name.
    Craig is "the best Bond since Dalton!" Now it's fixed. :D
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,046Chief of Staff
    Needing better glasses there, BL- you've spelt Brosnan's name wrongly! :D
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,604MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Needing better glasses there, BL- you've spelt Brosnan's name wrongly! :D

    No worries. I was spelling the name of the "best Bond since Dalton", so I'm good. :D
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,046Chief of Staff
    I'm good. :D

    But of course you are!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    I'm good.
    Any relation to Johnny B.?
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.GF 5.DN/GE 6.SP 7.FRWL 8.TB/TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,604MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    I'm good.
    Any relation to Johnny B.?

    Nope, but UpToNo is my cousin! :))
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,046Chief of Staff
    chrisisall wrote:
    I'm good.
    Any relation to Johnny B.?

    Oh, Berry good. Berry, Berry, Berry B. Goode!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Nope, but UpToNo is my cousin! :))
    :)) :)) :))
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.GF 5.DN/GE 6.SP 7.FRWL 8.TB/TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    To quote a certain secret agent ......
    " I'm still not quite sure how good you are.". :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,604MI6 Agent
    To quote a certain secret agent ......
    " I'm still not quite sure how good you are.". :))

    Just ask my wife! No, wait, never mind! :o
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    I just finished Skyfall again, and seriously, it was TMWTGG level stupid. Which means, I like it a lot, but it's the low point of Craig's movies IMO. 8-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.GF 5.DN/GE 6.SP 7.FRWL 8.TB/TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT
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