Next Bond after Craig: Rumours, etc

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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    Oakvale wrote:
    Well known directors on that level (Nolan, Tarantino, Spielberg) would never get a Bond film because, especially with the first two, they would indeed want to make their own movie, and not a Bond movie. While I think it's invaluable to mix things up, after a while it could stop feeling like a Bond movie.
    I don't know about that. All three of them are "film geeks" and while they would want to bring some of their own flavors to a Bond film I think they would respect the "canon" and make something more traditional than you might expect. For all of Tarantino's maverick, indy rep he is notorious for cribbing from classic films (Italian Westerns, grindhouse exploitation, etc). I just think they all have other pursuits and things on their plates cinematically and just not have the time or inclination to do a Bond film which would be more of a lark for them.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    Oakvale wrote:
    Well known directors on that level (Nolan, Tarantino, Spielberg) would never get a Bond film because, especially with the first two, they would indeed want to make their own movie, and not a Bond movie. While I think it's invaluable to mix things up, after a while it could stop feeling like a Bond movie.
    I don't know about that. All three of them are "film geeks" and while they would want to bring some of their own flavors to a Bond film I think they would respect the "canon" and make something more traditional than you might expect. For all of Tarantino's maverick, indy rep he is notorious for cribbing from classic films (Italian Westerns, grindhouse exploitation, etc). I just think they all have other pursuits and things on their plates cinematically and just not have the time or inclination to do a Bond film which would be more of a lark for them.

    I don't mind Tarantino stealing from other films (all art borrows from all other art) it's when he steals and then denies it. The Kill Bill films were obviously inspired by Trauffaut's The Bride Wore Black, but he denies even seeing The Bride Wore Black, which makes no sense at all.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    Kill Bill was certainly inspired by the Trauffaut film but his biggest out and out theft was Reservoir Dogs which was basically a remake of the 80's Honk Kong action film City On Fire. It is incredibly disingenuous or downright dishonest for a self proclaimed genre film aficionado like Tarantino to expect people to believe he has not seen "Bride" or "City On Fire".
  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I have a feeling Charlie Hunnam will be cast as the next Bond. Why? I think he's Barbera Broccoli's type. She seems to favour Blonde, muscular, edgy, brawler types. I've read she favoured Sean Bean back in the day. She first suggested Daniel Craig and she backed him for the role, and since his tenure has been so succesful I think her opinion will matter even more this time. Hunnam isn't my favorite, mind.

    I think you're 100 percent on the money, Number 24! If Barbara Broccoli were in charge in 1994 I don't think she would have cast Pierce Brosnan. I reckon she would have convinced someone like Liam Neeson or Sean Bean to take the part. If she prefers the "rough" type it's unlikely the likes of Tom Hiddleston will get the part.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    I have a feeling that growing up with James Bond has made the James Bond type is not attractive to her. She may continue to miscast James Bond because of that.
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,666Chief of Staff
    Matt S wrote:
    I have a feeling that growing up with James Bond has made the James Bond type is not attractive to her. She may continue to miscast James Bond because of that.

    Spectacular box-office returns for a 'miscast' Bond :v if only ALL errors turned out that good :))
    YNWA 97
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    I have a feeling that growing up with James Bond has made the James Bond type is not attractive to her. She may continue to miscast James Bond because of that.

    Spectacular box-office returns for a 'miscast' Bond :v if only ALL errors turned out that good :))

    Lots of bad things are extremely popular.
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,666Chief of Staff
    Matt S wrote:
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    I have a feeling that growing up with James Bond has made the James Bond type is not attractive to her. She may continue to miscast James Bond because of that.

    Spectacular box-office returns for a 'miscast' Bond :v if only ALL errors turned out that good :))

    Lots of bad things are extremely popular.

    I wouldn't class DC as bad :o

    But each to their own -{
    YNWA 97
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,236MI6 Agent
    As it's all opinions, everything is 'good' and everything is 'bad'. Just look at my list... AVTAK at the top and CR at the bottom :))
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    As it's all opinions, everything is 'good' and everything is 'bad'. Just look at my list... AVTAK at the top and CR at the bottom :))

    Craig was especially miscast for CR, being at least 10 years too old for the way the character was written.
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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Jarvio wrote:
    As it's all opinions, everything is 'good' and everything is 'bad'. Just look at my list... AVTAK at the top and CR at the bottom :))

    Craig was especially miscast for CR, being at least 10 years too old for the way the character was written.

    Absolutely, a blunder of epic proportions. :))
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    Jarvio wrote:
    As it's all opinions, everything is 'good' and everything is 'bad'. Just look at my list... AVTAK at the top and CR at the bottom :))

    Craig was especially miscast for CR, being at least 10 years too old for the way the character was written.

    Absolutely, a blunder of epic proportions. :))

    The character development in Craig's Bond films is less believable than anything in Moonraker is. At least Moonraker is fun.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,835MI6 Agent
    What part of the development of Craig's Bond is less believe ble than a laser battle in space? I really want to know.
  • ichaiceichaice LondonPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    edited January 2017
    I thought Craig was perfectly cast in Casino Royale.
    Yes. Considerably!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I too thought he was brilliant in CR, after a long break
    Bond was dangerous again. -{
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,835MI6 Agent
    ichaice wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    What part of the development of Craig's Bond is less believe ble than a laser battle in space? I really want to know.

    I thought Craig was perfectly cast in Casino Royale.

    The question was ment for Matt S
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,236MI6 Agent
    For the record I like Craig in CR, I think he did a great job. I just think the film is boring though! An unpopular opinion I know.
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    What part of the development of Craig's Bond is less believe ble than a laser battle in space? I really want to know.

    An immature 38-year-old will not all of the sudden start to mature at that age. People are very set in their ways by then, yet we're supposed to believe that the story of the film is how Bond starts out as a rough novice and becomes the Bond we know from before by the end of the film. It would have made sense if Bond were in his 20s, but not his late 30s. And while not Craig's fault, I don't like how the character isn't written much like Fleming's Bond, as Fleming's Bond was a mature agent by the time he was 38.
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  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    What part of the development of Craig's Bond is less believe ble than a laser battle in space? I really want to know.

    An immature 38-year-old will not all of the sudden start to mature at that age. People are very set in their ways by then, yet we're supposed to believe that the story of the film is how Bond starts out as a rough novice and becomes the Bond we know from before by the end of the film. It would have made sense if Bond were in his 20s, but not his late 30s. And while not Craig's fault, I don't like how the character isn't written much like Fleming's Bond, as Fleming's Bond was a mature agent by the time he was 38.

    In the novel Casino Royale, Bond says he bought his Bentley in 1933. Assuming he was 20 (seems reasonable) when he bought it, he would've been born in 1913. Casino Royale takes place in 1952, so he was 39.

    There's no way he could've been younger than 37.

    It seems that you should take up your complaint with Ian Fleming.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,835MI6 Agent
    You have a good point (I'd have liked to see what Michael Fassbender would have done with the role), but MR wasn't the best movie to compare with. Small we agree that Craig's development was less believe than, say..... Octopussy? :D
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    What part of the development of Craig's Bond is less believe ble than a laser battle in space? I really want to know.

    An immature 38-year-old will not all of the sudden start to mature at that age. People are very set in their ways by then, yet we're supposed to believe that the story of the film is how Bond starts out as a rough novice and becomes the Bond we know from before by the end of the film. It would have made sense if Bond were in his 20s, but not his late 30s. And while not Craig's fault, I don't like how the character isn't written much like Fleming's Bond, as Fleming's Bond was a mature agent by the time he was 38.

    In the novel Casino Royale, Bond says he bought his Bentley in 1933. Assuming he was 20 (seems reasonable) when he bought it, he would've been born in 1913. Casino Royale takes place in 1952, so he was 39.

    There's no way he could've been younger than 37.

    It seems that you should take up your complaint with Ian Fleming.

    The Bond character in the CR film is not written the same as the Bond character in the CR novel. In the CR novel Bond is not a novice on his first mission. The novel isn't about a cocky new agent who doesn't know what he's doing, but that's what the film is about. There is no way that Bond of the film could be the same age as Bond of the novel.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,460Chief of Staff
    Chronology wasn't one of Fleming's strong points- either that, or he just didn't care about it. He's pretty inconsistent with Bond's age through the series.
  • BroccoliBroccoli Posts: 253MI6 Agent
    Good lord I wonder what you would say if Craig was in die another day :))
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Bond seems to be about 40 in all the books and stories.

    All that drinking must've kept him young.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    Bond seems to be about 40 in all the books and stories.

    All that drinking must've kept him young.

    Yes, he is around that age in all of the stories. But he's also never a new agent in Fleming's stories. I don't believe Fleming told us how old he was when he became a 00.
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  • Mr_OsatoMr_Osato Posts: 398MI6 Agent
    I have grown to like Craig, despite that I saw no resemblances with the literature Bond. Not in looks and not in sophistication. But, the boy can act, did bring back the reality in the Bond movies and now I am kind of used to him being Bond. He does bring something to the screen as Bond.

    Still, I would have preffered Fassbender or even Christian Bale in 2006 to be Bond. Bale wasn't Batman at that time yet I believe when Craig was cast. Correct me if I am wrong.
    OHMSS, FRWL, DN, GF, CR, GE, SP, YOLT, TB, TSWLM, LALD, TLD, TND, FYEO, SF, MR, TMWTGG, TWINE, OP, AVTAK, DAF, LTK, QOS, DAD

    1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    Batman Begins was released in '05 and CR in '06 so Bale was Batman already. IMO, Bale could have been a good Bond but frankly he has a rep as being a major PITA so I'm guessing EON would have avoided him anyway. Craig was not too old to play a new "00". If you read the backstory that was created for the Bond of the re-boot, it was very clear that between his military service and intelligence service prior to being promoted to a "00" there is no reason not to assume that Bond was in his early 30's when promoted and despite all the hoo-ha about Craig's "craggy" looks he certainly could pass for early 30's in CR. There is also some question alluded to in CR regarding Bond's suitability to be promoted to "00" status, which could be more attributed to his reckless nature than his actual age. The only scene that was obviously written for someone who really appeared to be younger was when Bond is mistaken for a valet at the hotel. That was a bit of a stretch.
  • Mr_OsatoMr_Osato Posts: 398MI6 Agent
    Thanks for correcting me. thought Batman begins was released in 2008, but that was the Dark Knight.

    Casino Royale turned out to be a gem of a movie, despite my skepticism in the beginning after the casting of Craig.
    OHMSS, FRWL, DN, GF, CR, GE, SP, YOLT, TB, TSWLM, LALD, TLD, TND, FYEO, SF, MR, TMWTGG, TWINE, OP, AVTAK, DAF, LTK, QOS, DAD

    1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Bale has said that he's not interested in playing James Bond. He said Bond represented “every despicable stereotype about England and British actors... and I've already played a serial killer.”
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    Bale has said that he's not interested in playing James Bond. He said Bond represented “every despicable stereotype about England and British actors... and I've already played a serial killer.”

    I've seen that one too. Bond is just so below my station as a Master Thespian. I can emote so much better running around in a rubber bat suit. By the way Master Thespian, Affleck is a better Batman :)) -{
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