Spectre, one year later

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  • AnotherDayToDieAnotherDayToDie Posts: 10MI6 Agent
    edited June 2017
    This is the reason I want to see Craig replaced. I like him as Bond, but if he comes back for one more, it will just be more of the same. Bond rogue. Personal connections. Waltz's awful Blofeld. Nothing good can come from another Craig Bond other than the fact my expectations will be so low that it can't disappoint me.

    I disagree. Craig in Skyfall and Spectre brought back the "fun entertaining factor". Yes I really appreciate the dark and grittiness of his Casino Royale. I do understand that QoS is an important Bond film to show him slowly becoming the Bond that we have all known throughout the Connery, Roger Moore era etc (despite Craig's Bond being a reboot of course).

    I'd really love to see Mendes direct the next one (hoping Craig and Waltz return to finish the Spectre storyline).
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    SPECTRE has regenerated my undying love for the James Bond franchise.
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,407MI6 Agent
    Despite the hated storyline, as a film I live Spectre in fact I'm watching now in the car while waiting for a delivery.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    SPECTRE has regenerated my undying love for the James Bond franchise.
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  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,586MI6 Agent
    edited June 2017
    SPECTRE has regenerated my undying love for the James Bond franchise.
    You deserve a -{, dirty.
    I don't believe I've seen you before in the forums and such opinions aren't very popular here.
    So, HELLO.
    Anyway,
    SPECTRE (as I've noted in my review) was Daniel Craig's Goldfinger. I have the very unpopular opinion of thinking that SPECTRE was a better movie than Skyfall and it's a far, far better movie (and celebration of the franchise).
    This is "do spies matter?" done right. Skyfall showed Bond being weak and dismissed him as a relic. That's never what I want to see in a Bond movie, even if it has to happen at some point.
    Also, I loved that we finally got to go to some exotic locations. I'm sick and tired of Turkey and London being used as locations.
    That's part of why I don't like rewatching TWINE and Skyfall that much.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    SPECTRE has regenerated my undying love for the James Bond franchise.
    You deserve a -{, dirty.
    I don't believe I've seen you before in the forums and such opinions aren't very popular here.
    So, HELLO.
    Anyway,
    SPECTRE (as I've noted in my review) was Daniel Craig's Goldfinger. A far, far better movie (and celebration of the franchise).
    This "do spies matter?" done right. Unlike Skyfall which showed Bond being weak and being dismissed as a relic. That's never what I want to see in a Bond movie, even if it has to happen at some point.
    I have the very unpopular opinion of thinking that SPECTRE was a better movie than Skyfall.
    BondJasonBond006 & I agree with you. -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    SPECTRE has regenerated my undying love for the James Bond franchise.
    You deserve a -{, dirty.
    I don't believe I've seen you before in the forums and such opinions aren't very popular here.
    So, HELLO.
    Anyway,
    SPECTRE (as I've noted in my review) was Daniel Craig's Goldfinger. A far, far better movie (and celebration of the franchise).
    This "do spies matter?" done right. Unlike Skyfall which showed Bond being weak and being dismissed as a relic. That's never what I want to see in a Bond movie, even if it has to happen at some point.
    I have the very unpopular opinion of thinking that SPECTRE was a better movie than Skyfall.
    BondJasonBond006 & I agree with you. -{


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  • JTMJTM Posts: 2,962MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    SPECTRE has regenerated my undying love for the James Bond franchise.
    You deserve a -{, dirty.
    Anyway SPECTRE (as I've noted in my review) was Daniel Craig's Goldfinger. A far, far better movie (and celebration of the franchise).
    I have the very unpopular opinion of thinking that SPECTRE was a better movie than Skyfall.
    BondJasonBond006 & I agree with you. -{

    And I agree with all of you, I thought Spectre was brilliant! Drinks all round -{
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    JTM wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    You deserve a -{, dirty.
    Anyway SPECTRE (as I've noted in my review) was Daniel Craig's Goldfinger. A far, far better movie (and celebration of the franchise).
    I have the very unpopular opinion of thinking that SPECTRE was a better movie than Skyfall.
    BondJasonBond006 & I agree with you. -{

    And I agree with all of you, I thought Spectre was brilliant! Drinks all round -{


    Honestly, the love here for SPECTRE is heartwarming!

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  • Sword Of DamoclesSword Of Damocles Posts: 17MI6 Agent
    Craig is better when his Bond suffers ie the first three films. In Spectre he seems to be enjoying himself more, and it doesn't suit him. Plus the film is far too long for what it is.
    Otherwise, loved it.
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,392MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    I have issues with Nolans batman trilogy also, the first two were excellent, the last one I just didn't enjoy as much. It seemed to be retreading similar ground to other films in terms of context, the whole reluctant hero who's getting too old for this kind of thing, who then comes back.... It's been done to death and I'll never forgive mendes for taking the reboot and throwing it in the bin and turning bond into an ageing agent and piling on the personal inter connected story arks and bond constantly going rogue! Enough already, if the writers can't come up with an exciting original bond adventure by using its rich history and revisiting the novels without all this personal stuff then they should be replaced.
    I Think Nolan's lack of enthusiasm in doing another Batman film was obvious in Dark Knight Rises. I still really enjoy the film but his mind was probably more fixated on Interstellar's pre-production then doing another Batman.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    Dark Knight rises was so bloated and slow. I found it a rather painful end to the trilogy.
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,188MI6 Agent
    I watched it a couple of times more, and I feel exactly the same as after seeing it the first time: the third act sinks the picture from top ten to a mere average. Blofeld was misused, and rescuing the girl from a building about to be demolished is not exactly original. Neither is a scene involving the bad guy and an helicopter a brilliant end to the film (it opens the very same movie).

    And it's a pity, because it does have brilliant material: great cast, an established Bond, the PTS is marvellous, the Rome scenes are great, the austrian scenes, the train fight (IMO, the best ever in the series ,yes, including FRWL). But just after the train fight, when they get to Blofeld's lair, the movie begins to sink and sink, until it stops dead and it left me with a feeling of unrealised potential.
  • MrGoreMrGore Posts: 129MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    I feel exactly the same as after seeing it the first time: the third act sinks the picture from top ten to a mere average.

    Completely agree. I recall watching it in the cinema and feeling that the minute they got off the train something just changed. I couldn't put my finger on it at the time, but I'm sure if I watched it again, I'd feel the same.

    I read some of the press coverage of the Sony hack at the time, and they reported that there was significant rewriting of the third act strongly pushed by the studio. I think you can see that up on the screen. It feels rushed and confused and doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

    The split finale action really breaks all storytelling rules. Two climaxes running in parallel divides the audience's attention and weakens the suspense.

    Also, too long by at least 20 to 30 minutes. Needed to be tighter.

    It was a shame because I was really looking forward to them getting back to Spectre, since TB is my all time favourite.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    SP is an end to an era. A very good one that makes the era not a total loss.

    Four years after, a new era should begin. Anything else is insane or BB's sense of wicked humour.
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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 2,186MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    ...rescuing the girl from a building about to be demolished is not exactly original...
    when you phrase it like that, it actually echoes the end of Casino Royale. But there the collapse of the building was an accident, and Bond failed to save Vesper. Since Blofeld was behind everything all along he certainly knew this, and may even have been secretly behind the collapsing building in Venice?
    Virgil37 wrote:
    ... Neither is a scene involving the bad guy and an helicopter a brilliant end to the film (it opens the very same movie).
    I thought this was meant to give the movie symmetry. It seemed deliberate. Unfortunately the brilliance of the opening helicopter scene just makes the concluding helicopter scene look even stoopider by inviting comparison.
    MrGore wrote:
    The split finale action really breaks all storytelling rules. Two climaxes running in parallel divides the audience's attention and weakens the suspense.
    I wish you could explain this to the contemporary filmmaking industry because it seems to happen in every single mainstream popcorn blockbuster these days. The characters get broken into smaller groups and each face parallel crises and resolutions, in increasingly smaller time chunks. The different plot-strands are often forced to artificially fit the same timescale to make this happen, requiring even more of that damn slo-mo. Its gotten annoying how predictable this formula has become.

    The Bond filmmakers were doing this as early as Die Another Day. You know if Bond could have just killed Miranda himself, Jinx would have not been required in the plot at all?
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,188MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    ...rescuing the girl from a building about to be demolished is not exactly original...
    when you phrase it like that, it actually echoes the end of Casino Royale. But there the collapse of the building was an accident, and Bond failed to save Vesper. Since Blofeld was behind everything all along he certainly knew this, and may even have been secretly behind the collapsing building in Venice?
    Virgil37 wrote:
    ... Neither is a scene involving the bad guy and an helicopter a brilliant end to the film (it opens the very same movie).
    I thought this was meant to give the movie symmetry. It seemed deliberate. Unfortunately the brilliance of the opening helicopter scene just makes the concluding helicopter scene look even stoopider by inviting comparison.

    You make good points. Yes, it echoes Casino Royale. Blofeld might have wanted Bond to suffer seeing another girl he loves die inside a collapsing building. And yet, my point there's nothing spectacular, or even tense, not to mention original, in the whole scene. He rescues the girl who's in danger. In CR there was tension. He knew Vesper had betrayed him, he loved her, he just submitted his resignation...Different story.
    And maybe you're right and they tried to booked the movie with two helicopters...However, if they did, it failed. The PTS is magnificent, but a similar scene to close the movie? Blofeld's helicopter falling? It would have been more spectacular actually remaking the FYEO PTS.
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  • ml94ml94 FinlandPosts: 79MI6 Agent
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,546MI6 Agent
    My Weekly Bond's new review of SPECTRE. As usual very entertaining and insigthtful. I agree on most of the critizism, but I think he judges the movie too harshly based on those flaws.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYQIwlMdsWs
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,586MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    My Weekly Bond's new review of SPECTRE. As usual very entertaining and insigthtful. I agree on most of the critizism, but I think he judges the movie too harshly based on those flaws.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYQIwlMdsWs
    That's putting it mildly, 0024!
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  • DB6DB6 EnglandPosts: 1,081MI6 Agent
    I rewatched Spectre recently too.

    Lots to enjoy but as a whole it doesn't make sense to me - the "two finales" don't work for me and it loses its way after the train scene in my opinion.

    Didn't make the most of Waltz or Bautista really.

    And for that matter Monica Bellucci too......she should have had way more screen time! :)
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    SPECTRE (and QOS for that matter) just keep on getting better with each viewing. :x
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  • OMEGA BOND WATCHESOMEGA BOND WATCHES Las Vegas, NVPosts: 200MI6 Agent
    has anyone here read the leak script? I have it somewhere I thought it was interesting the original way.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Could SPECTRE have been better? Certainly, and I could have made it so with one final re-wright.
    Do I dislike it because of that? Nah, what they did get right was oh so right. I actually do love it from beginning to end.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,802Chief of Staff
    As I've said before, I think SP is a good Bond film though not a great one. There's a lot to like (Hinx, Craig's more relaxed performance, the PTS) and some flaws (the score, Brothergate) and I hope the next film builds on its strengths and not its weaknesses.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    As I've said before, I think SP is a good Bond film though not a great one.
    Yeah, SF was just so poorly constructed that when Mendes directed so completely seriously it lost me. He did a complete turnabout with SP in that he directed it the way YOLT was- this is just a big adventure story. On that level it didn't offend me so I can actually have a lot of fun with it. QOS is still my go-to for the (near) perfect Craig Bond. -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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