Poll: Who would you like to be the next James Bond in Bond 26?

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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,529MI6 Agent
    sniperUK wrote:
    As for age, leaves university at 21 goes to BRNC for 12 months, promoted to Sub Lt 22, 30 months then promoted to Lt 24-25, 4-8 years at Lt, so average it out at 6 years ,30 for promotion to Lt Cdr. At least two tours at the rank of Lt Cdr including one staff posting , 6 years before promotion to Cdr earliest ,one tour at that rank before poaching by MI 6 ,age 39 at start of Int career before Double O status , maybe 40 at youngest.

    Ian Fleming became a Commander a few months after joining the Royal Navy at the age of 31, and surely he intended Bond to be the same. Bond is also not a normal person, so why should he be held to the normal timeline?

    A bigger issue is his emotional development. He's portrayed in the CR film like he's only 25. The film was not written for a 38-year-old.
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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 2,350MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    Yeah, but it's a film...
    that's a thing in itself: Fleming had Bond as being perpetually in his mid30s. They can't do that trick in film. They can hire someone in his mid30s, and for one film he's true-to-Fleming. Then they do one film every other year. Or every four years in Craig's case.
    so they maybe should pick someone young and precocious, who can act mid30s when he's still mid20s. Matt Smith sort of pulled that trick in Doctor Who. A good actor can do that.

    And who can guess how the actor will naturally age? Connery looked older in Diamonds... than Moore did in A View..., yet Moore was always two years older than his predecessor. Maybe the Broccoli's should look real close at the actor's parents and other older family members? like animal breeders selecting for good genes.
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 587MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    sniperUK wrote:
    As for age, leaves university at 21 goes to BRNC for 12 months, promoted to Sub Lt 22, 30 months then promoted to Lt 24-25, 4-8 years at Lt, so average it out at 6 years ,30 for promotion to Lt Cdr. At least two tours at the rank of Lt Cdr including one staff posting , 6 years before promotion to Cdr earliest ,one tour at that rank before poaching by MI 6 ,age 39 at start of Int career before Double O status , maybe 40 at youngest.

    Ian Fleming became a Commander a few months after joining the Royal Navy at the age of 31, and surely he intended Bond to be the same. Bond is also not a normal person, so why should he be held to the normal timeline?
    .

    Wartime, totally different, dead mens shoes /special recruitment , I have a friend who has been promoted from Flying Officer to Flt Lt fifteen months early ,acting paid, so not in line for seniority until in post for 15 months. Remember Commander rank is equivalent to Lt Col or Wing Commander, senior ranks in army would be in command of a battalion or in Royal Marines possibly OC SBS, not an operator.
  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 868MI6 Agent
    I myself would like Bond 7 to be about 40 and just do 3 great standalone films using the last 3 remaining Fleming titles and with no angst or personnel drama! So bond 26 bond is 40, 27 aged 43/44 and Bond 28 46/47. Clive Standen IMO would be perfect!
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,345MI6 Agent
    How would people feel if the next Bond was a motion capture performance using CGI to recreate Fleming's physical description of Bond which was that 007 looked like the 1940s American singer and actor, Hoagy Carmichael?

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  • Mr_OsatoMr_Osato Posts: 398MI6 Agent
    Whoever they choose, I hope they will give us an actor that brings the sophistication, charm and intelligence back from Bond.

    I love Craig, I think he is excellent, but I do think he lacks the sophistication that the previous Bonds have. he makes up in muscles and masculinity perhaps, but I don't need Bond to be a bodybuilder. I want him to 'win' based on his charm, intellect, wits more than his martial arts skills.

    Time to bring back the charm in the Bond films, it is how the character differentiates itself from for example Bourne and Ethan Hunt.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,920MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    How would people feel if the next Bond was a motion capture performance using CGI to recreate Fleming's physical description of Bond which was that 007 looked like the 1940s American singer and actor, Hoagy Carmichael?

    hoagy-carmichael.jpg?la=en&hash=9E107689A84233CEE08FF73B22343906FF0322B8

    Some of the hard core fans like us would like it, but only if it's done well. The rest of the world would't understand it.
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 2,350MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    How would people feel if the next Bond was a motion capture performance using CGI to recreate Fleming's physical description of Bond which was that 007 looked like the 1940s American singer and actor, Hoagy Carmichael?

    hoagy-carmichael.jpg?la=en&hash=9E107689A84233CEE08FF73B22343906FF0322B8
    interesting idea
    technically we're already there ... the digital Peter Cushing in Rogue One for example. He was conspicuously fake to my eyes, but maybe only cuz I realised the actor was long dead and this must be CGI? I wonder if anyone was fooled who didn't already know he was supposed to look like an actor from 40 years ago?
    I could accept a creation like Gollum talking to Frodo, but those types of movies are mostly cartoons already. But for a film that is 99.99% real? I'm sure the trickery would just be distracting.

    You'd also need an Andy Serkis type actor to map the digital image onto. Since Serkis specialises in that, I presume its a skill not just any actor can do. Ideally he should also move and talk like the real Hoagy Carmichael. And act recognisably like Bond and run around and do all that action-adventure stuff. That's a whole lotta extra demands on an actor.

    ...maybe if the whole thing was a cartoon though? Like The Incredibles but not silly and set in Fleming's version of 1950s Britain? that could be good.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,405MI6 Agent
    Mr_Osato wrote:
    Whoever they choose, I hope they will give us an actor that brings the sophistication, charm and intelligence back from Bond.

    I love Craig, I think he is excellent, but I do think he lacks the sophistication that the previous Bonds have. he makes up in muscles and masculinity perhaps, but I don't need Bond to be a bodybuilder. I want him to 'win' based on his charm, intellect, wits more than his martial arts skills.

    Time to bring back the charm in the Bond films, it is how the character differentiates itself from for example Bourne and Ethan Hunt.

    I agree with you, but don't think irneeds to be either or. The best have blended both elements with differing air-fuel mixtures perhaps. I would not want Bond to loose his hard edge or physicality but do miss the classyness. Craig is excellent but a bit one note for me.
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  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    edited February 2018
    Cheverian wrote:
    I would imagine casting James Bond must be the job with the highest stakes in Hollywood considering that the entire franchise depends on one actor’s charisma.

    Casting mistakes can have huge consequences. I’m eager to see the new Han Solo film, for instance, but the trailer doesn’t fill me with hope that Alden Ehrenreich is going to be able to pull off the role. There hasn’t been a young Harrison Ford since...Harrison Ford.

    It makes me appreciate what Chris Pine did in the Star Trek reboots. He managed to embody the swagger and haminess of Shatner’s Kirk while putting his own stamp on the role.

    Some people don't think Daniel Craig has much charisma, others do. I think his casting did split an element of the hardcore Bond fanbase but the average movie goer likes Craig so I reckon the next Bond actor can do alright even if they're not blessed with strong movie star charisma or screen presence.

    As for Alden Ehrenreich (unappealing surname for a potential new movie star!) I reckon Disney are prepared for Solo to be a one-off movie, not the first adventure in a new spin-off franchise. In theory, if Solo does tank or underperform, Disney can blame Ehrenreich or the screenwriters, and the studio can move on with more Star Wars episodes. Bond is a little different as there is the expectation the next Bond actor will make several Bond films. Ehrenreich may have signed up for one Solo film and no sequels so less pressure on him, perhaps? Having said that, if Star Wars fans hate his performance he'll have to live with that reaction for the rest of his career! "You ruined Han Solo!" :D
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,920MI6 Agent
    I think Nathan Fillion can/could be compared to a young Harrison Ford.
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,394MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I think Nathan Fillion can/could be compared to a young Harrison Ford.
    Yeah him and Chris Pratt can easily do what Ford did so well in Indy and Star Wars. But I agree that casting Bond must be extraordinarily difficult. Besides being a cash cow I imagine that's why EON wanted Craig to return so badly so they don't have to think about recasting just yet.
  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,127MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I think Nathan Fillion can/could be compared to a young Harrison Ford.

    Interesting comparison. It's a shame that Fillion never got the movie career he deserved.

    Personally, I prefer the Chris Pratt of "Parks and Recreation" to the newer, leaner model. As a leading man in dramas, he lacks depth to me. But YMMV.

    Even when Ford was playing the hero, there was always this undertone to his performance. Call it anger or assholishness or whatever. He was likable as hell, but you had the sense that his emotions ran dark and deep.
  • Thunderbird 2Thunderbird 2 East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,710MI6 Agent
    A CGI Bond?! That idea can piss right off!
    I agree that Mr Craig has lost the sophistication aspect, but that's the writing, not the actor.
    That aspect has been a downward spiral since QoS.

    We don't know who the next Bind actor will be. He has not surfaced yet.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    The only CGI character that really works, ( for me anyway )
    is Harry the Lizard from Death in Paradise. :)

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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,405MI6 Agent
    The only CGI character that really works, ( for me anyway )
    is Harry the Lizard from Death in Paradise. :)

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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,405MI6 Agent
    A CGI Bond?! That idea can piss right off!
    I agree that Mr Craig has lost the sophistication aspect, but that's the writing, not the actor.
    That aspect has been a downward spiral since QoS.

    We don't know who the next Bind actor will be. He has not surfaced yet.

    I agree that it's absent from the writing. Craig could pull it off, so I can only assume that it's a creative choice/decision.
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    No Zaphod99 you must always believe
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  • Bmorelli11Bmorelli11 Posts: 197MI6 Agent
    Josh Holloway ("Sawyer" on Lost) pulled off the loveable scoundrel really well.
    Cheverian wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    I think Nathan Fillion can/could be compared to a young Harrison Ford.

    Interesting comparison. It's a shame that Fillion never got the movie career he deserved.

    Personally, I prefer the Chris Pratt of "Parks and Recreation" to the newer, leaner model. As a leading man in dramas, he lacks depth to me. But YMMV.

    Even when Ford was playing the hero, there was always this undertone to his performance. Call it anger or assholishness or whatever. He was likable as hell, but you had the sense that his emotions ran dark and deep.
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  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 868MI6 Agent
    After watching pilot episode of Taken, I really think BB should strongly consider Clive Standen! A friend popped in while it was on and she said why is that man(Standen) not Bond!
  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,492MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    sniperUK wrote:
    As for age, leaves university at 21 goes to BRNC for 12 months, promoted to Sub Lt 22, 30 months then promoted to Lt 24-25, 4-8 years at Lt, so average it out at 6 years ,30 for promotion to Lt Cdr. At least two tours at the rank of Lt Cdr including one staff posting , 6 years before promotion to Cdr earliest ,one tour at that rank before poaching by MI 6 ,age 39 at start of Int career before Double O status , maybe 40 at youngest.

    Ian Fleming became a Commander a few months after joining the Royal Navy at the age of 31, and surely he intended Bond to be the same. Bond is also not a normal person, so why should he be held to the normal timeline?

    A bigger issue is his emotional development. He's portrayed in the CR film like he's only 25. The film was not written for a 38-year-old.

    Don't forget this was all written shortly after the war. Men were promoted a lot quicker then out of necessity ... a modern audience would expect someone a little older I think.


    Just been watching Alexander Skarsgard ... he has potential but maybe a fraction too tall and obviously he's Swedish (not that you'd ever know).

    I'm still routing for Aiden Turner.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,301Chief of Staff
    Matt S wrote:
    Ian Fleming became a Commander a few months after joining the Royal Navy at the age of 31, and surely he intended Bond to be the same.

    Yes, agreed. Fleming used parts of his own history in creating Bond, as is well-known, and as time went on was obliged to adjust the details (Bond bought a Bentley in 1933?) thus creating inconsistencies. And that is just in the timeline of his novels- when the films are added in, the inconsistencies multiply! We can either nitpick those or just sit back and enjoy the ride.



    From an earlier post of mine, just before the release of SP:

    Since I read the books first, my perspective is unavoidably different. I watched the 60s Bond movies as "films-of-the-books" and observed in real time how they gradually drifted away from their source material and began to form their own continuity. Being a Fleming fan, I was happier when they stuck to the original stories (updating them as necessary, and accepting that) and getting annoyed at what I saw as unnecessary deviations from them (eg, in YOLT Bond claims to have gone to Cambridge which is against what Fleming had written in that exact novel).

    Fleming himself made continuity errors (the colour of Mary Goodnight's hair or the light outside M's office, the surname of Honey- though these can be rationalised quite easily) most glaringly with Bond's age- though there are clear reasons for that!
    The important point is that when Fleming started writing the novels, or ten years later when Broccoli & co started making the films, no-one had the slightest idea that James Bond would still be thriving deep into the 21st century, with new films and novels arriving on a regular basis. The continuity had to fall apart, since no one man could have lived through all the adventures and experiences 007 is supposed to have had. At a certain point, the "original" Bond simply becomes too old to continue his adventures- whether that Bond is Fleming's (who was involved in WW2 and earlier before IF started writing about him in the 50s) or Broccoli's (who had been working for the Secret Service for ten years before DN).

    As I've said before, the film makers decided to ignore Bond's age around the point that Dalton replaced Moore and treat 007 as ageless. In the literary world, John Gardner (in conjunction with Glidrose, later IFP) froze Bond in his 40s slightly earlier. These were active decisions, not lazily ignoring the facts, and make demands of the audience to either accept the conceit or give up following 007's adventures.

    As we all know, this changed in the filmic world with CR06- in the literary world, things ran a little differently (Charlie Higson's "Young Bond" series for example, or William Boyd's "Solo")- which leads us to the situation as currently presented: James Bond is a mythical character as opposed to a fictional one. His stories can take place in the 30s (Steve Cole's "Shoot To Kill", published in 2014), the 2010s (SPECTRE, released any day now), or the 60s ("Solo", set in the 60s, published 2013)- a myth transcends all considerations of time.

    So, to summarise: James Bond (007) is a mythical character as opposed to a fictional one. His adventures, be they literary or filmic, can occur any time between the 1930s (when he was a boy) and now (whenever now is- it's been the 1960s and the 2010s). He does not exist, he's a mythical hero in the same line as many before and no doubt after. You can sit back and enjoy the ride, or nitpick all you want- it won't change anything, he'll still be pulling his Walther PPK from his shoulder holster after we're all gone.[
  • DanielCDanielC Posts: 63MI6 Agent
    Mr_Osato wrote:
    Whoever they choose, I hope they will give us an actor that brings the sophistication, charm and intelligence back from Bond.

    I love Craig, I think he is excellent, but I do think he lacks the sophistication that the previous Bonds have. he makes up in muscles and masculinity perhaps, but I don't need Bond to be a bodybuilder. I want him to 'win' based on his charm, intellect, wits more than his martial arts skills.

    Time to bring back the charm in the Bond films, it is how the character differentiates itself from for example Bourne and Ethan Hunt.
    I agree.

    Craig was a great choice and made the role his own. Pulling off something similiar once again could be tricky. Now would probably be a good time to bring back the suaveness that always defined Bond.

    I don't like any of the actors who made the betting list so far.

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  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,257MI6 Agent
    Please God not Tom Hardy. Bond should not mumble. Also, those people who complained about Daniel Craig's height would absolutely lose their mind over Hardy.
    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,581MI6 Agent
    As previously stated, most of the actors on that list will be aged out by Bond 26.
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,257MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    As previously stated, most of the actors on that list will be aged out by Bond 26.

    Not Cavill or Hemsworth, both of whom would be my top picks to take the gig.
    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,920MI6 Agent
    While there are individual variations, where would be a natural limit to when the next Bond actor should be born?
    It's likely that Bond26 will be filmed in 2022-23. An actor born in 1980 will be 42-43 by then. While Moore was slightly older when he made LALD, I'd say that would be pushing it. Someone born between 1985 and 1990-92 would be ideal, starting up at around 30-37 years of age. Someone born 1983-94 could work.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,581MI6 Agent
    Both Cavill and Hemsworth are both 34. Hypothetically, they would be 38 for Bond 26 which could work. The other thing that has to be taken into consideration is how an actor ages. Both Hemsworth and Cavill look like they will age well / slowly but you never know.
    Cavill has the prototypical Bond "look" but just may be a bit stiff and lacking in charisma without his Superman costume on. Hemsworth has good screen presence and could definitely pull off more of a "charming rogue" variation of Bond. That being said, I'm not totally sold on either but would have an open mind.
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,257MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    Both Cavill and Hemsworth are both 34. Hypothetically, they would be 38 for Bond 26 which could work. The other thing that has to be taken into consideration is how an actor ages. Both Hemsworth and Cavill look like they will age well / slowly but you never know.
    Cavill has the prototypical Bond "look" but just may be a bit stiff and lacking in charisma without his Superman costume on. Hemsworth has good screen presence and could definitely pull off more of a "charming rogue" variation of Bond. That being said, I'm not totally sold on either but would have an open mind.

    You need to watch THE MAN FROM UNCLE to see what Cavill can do when he's allowed to be suave and charming.
    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,405MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    HowardB wrote:
    Both Cavill and Hemsworth are both 34. Hypothetically, they would be 38 for Bond 26 which could work. The other thing that has to be taken into consideration is how an actor ages. Both Hemsworth and Cavill look like they will age well / slowly but you never know.
    Cavill has the prototypical Bond "look" but just may be a bit stiff and lacking in charisma without his Superman costume on. Hemsworth has good screen presence and could definitely pull off more of a "charming rogue" variation of Bond. That being said, I'm not totally sold on either but would have an open mind.

    You need to watch THE MAN FROM UNCLE to see what Cavill can do when he's allowed to be suave and charming.

    He can do suave and charming, but I have yet to see him do menacing. So far for me at least he lacks intensity and charisma.Seems like an awfuly nice chap though.
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