SPECTRE Disapointed me a bit.

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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    No in casino royale. He is sweating like a pig and looks terrible lol
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    To be honest, I've had a few taxi journeys in which I thought I might have a heart attack. ;)

    With you there :))
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    To be honest, I've had a few taxi journeys in which I thought I might have a heart attack. ;)

    That's me in any car I'm not driving.
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    Matt S wrote:
    To be honest, I've had a few taxi journeys in which I thought I might have a heart attack. ;)

    That's me in any car I'm not driving.
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    Matt S wrote:
    To be honest, I've had a few taxi journeys in which I thought I might have a heart attack. ;)

    That's me in any car I'm not driving.
    Some men just don't like to be driven.

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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,392MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    No in casino royale. He is sweating like a pig and looks terrible lol
    yeah that's another one, He looks really sweaty and bloated in that scene. Also in SF when he's helping Q decipher Silva's code the lighting there makes him look really pale, gaunt and old. Same when he's shooting the cups in Scotland.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,405MI6 Agent
    For the sake of balance here are some scenes where he looks great: The scene where he wins the Aston, the rooftop in Spectre, getting off the plane in CR, most of QOS (the hair was better, less thug like and the clothes worked) on the motor bike in QOS) A couple of things just struck me, sunglasses really work on him, and I have nothing from Skyfall.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,027MI6 Agent
    He did seem to have something opaque or translucent about the skin in the earlier films, like he didn't tan naturally, or it was fake tan. Didn't see that in the last film however.
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  • jet set sweeneyjet set sweeney Posts: 25MI6 Agent
    There are quite a few gripes I have with SPECTRE now in hindsight after watching it again recently, and I think a big problem is Mendes vision for Bond.

    To start with, I'm not keen on some of the dialogue, which is very un-Fleming -
    “That all sounds marvellous,”......“That all sounds lovely.” This doesn't sound like Bond to me. It's not the kind of things he would say, particularly in the books. Very unimaginative. It doesn't bode well for Bond 25 if P&W are responsible for lines like these.

    The film now feels like it drags in parts, the same way SF does now for me too. CR is of similar length, yet it flows at a decent pace. Campbell is far better at directing Bond than Mendes.

    The car chase now feels more like an episode of Top Gear, showcasing a race between the shiny new Jaguar v the shiny new Aston Martin. This doesn't have a gritty realistic feel to it at all. The QoS Aston car chase is far superior, and Bourne do car chases much better too.

    The ending feels tacked on, and as much as I like seeing London in a Bond film, too much of a good thing can leave you wanting less, and I definitely feel like this by the end of SP. Mendes has exhausted the London locations to death, making it look more like they had ran out of travelling budget to film abroad.

    The personal touch. Bond's past. I really don't want to know or care about Bond's past, and I certainly don't want to see something that has nothing to do with Fleming - Bond and Blofeld being brothers. This is borderline unforgivable.

    The Aston Martin DB5, and other homages to the past. Drop them. There is no need for them. Again, Mendes has flogged this to death.

    Bond doesn't bleed anymore. In SF and SP, where is the sight of Bond bloodied and dirty, like we saw in CR (and to a lesser extent QoS)? Bond suffers traumatic torture in SP and is right as rain again 2 seconds later. The realism angle that Campbell so boldly started in CR is now completely vanished by the time Bond is freed from his Colonel Sun dentist chair in SP.

    The one redeeming moment for me now in SP is the train fight scene with Hinx, which pretty much harks back to the harder edged Bond of CR and QoS. Unfortunately these scenes are few and far between in the Mendes films, preferring artistic light and pretentious angles over sheer blood and brutality.
  • DutchJamesBondFanDutchJamesBondFan the NetherlandsPosts: 398MI6 Agent
    Eva Green all the way ;)

    But on-topic: I think SPECTRE tried to focus on us Bondfans too hard. Blofeld, the parachute, the 009-song in the DB10, Moores humor and other nods. Although I really liked some of them like the cat or the scar, I think they did that those really well, I don't I like the 180 they took with Craig. Liked the darker movies and less - but faaaaarrrrrr better - humor for his character. 009s-song in the DB10 was one of the most stupid and annoying jokes in the series, a totally misplaced Moore joke that took me compleet out of the action.

    I don't mind them going less darker then CR, but in SP they went too light, same for the nods to the old films. It reminds me of DAD sometimes and I don't think we want that. Nods to old films are really cool, if there subtile, suit the film and if it aren't too many.
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    Still like the movie though, I may sound hard here, but somewhere there's a part that does love it I think... :x
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  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 587MI6 Agent

    . Although I really liked some of them like the cat or the scar, I think they did that those really well.

    That's Austin fricken Powers and should have been left there.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,405MI6 Agent
    sniperUK wrote:

    . Although I really liked some of them like the cat or the scar, I think they did that those really well.

    That's Austin fricken Powers and should have been left there.

    +1
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  • DutchJamesBondFanDutchJamesBondFan the NetherlandsPosts: 398MI6 Agent
    sniperUK wrote:

    . Although I really liked some of them like the cat or the scar, I think they did that those really well.

    That's Austin fricken Powers and should have been left there.

    That was James Bond doing an Austin Powers who was doing a James Bond 8-) But seriously, the cat worked very well, it was a short moment but a really good moment. And the scar made Oberhauser really look like a psychopathic Blofeld. I liked it!
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,802Chief of Staff
    I also liked the cat moment.

    (Though I dislike the "brother" angle.)
  • DutchJamesBondFanDutchJamesBondFan the NetherlandsPosts: 398MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    I also liked the cat moment.

    (Though I dislike the "brother" angle.)

    That brotherpart was really bad indeed. :#
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  • DEFIANT 74205DEFIANT 74205 Perth, AustraliaPosts: 1,881MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    I also liked the cat moment.

    (Though I dislike the "brother" angle.)

    That brotherpart was really bad indeed. :#

    Indeed. An invention of the producers with no basis in fact (fact being the Fleming novels).

    I also found SPECTRE disappointing - it could have been so much better if only that they had not re-written Blofeld.
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    Is there anyone who does like the "Foster Brother" idea ?
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  • Sword Of DamoclesSword Of Damocles Posts: 17MI6 Agent
    Purvis and Wade, Daniel Craig, Barbara Broccoli, I'm not bothered about it either.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    Purvis and Wade, Daniel Craig, Barbara Broccoli, I'm not bothered about it either.

    Considering the Austin Powers comment Daniel Craig made before, he's probably not a fan of the idea either.
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,407MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Purvis and Wade, Daniel Craig, Barbara Broccoli, I'm not bothered about it either.

    Considering the Austin Powers comment Daniel Craig made before, he's probably not a fan of the idea either.
    Which is why I believe we are in the current situation. I think dc wants to see a decent story before he puts his name down.
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  • Sword Of DamoclesSword Of Damocles Posts: 17MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    Purvis and Wade, Daniel Craig, Barbara Broccoli, I'm not bothered about it either.

    Considering the Austin Powers comment Daniel Craig made before, he's probably not a fan of the idea either.
    Which is why I believe we are in the current situation. I think dc wants to see a decent story before he puts his name down.
    I'm not so sure possible delays are linked to aspects of Spectre's story. It's more political surely?
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,405MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    Considering the Austin Powers comment Daniel Craig made before, he's probably not a fan of the idea either.
    Which is why I believe we are in the current situation. I think dc wants to see a decent story before he puts his name down.
    I'm not so sure possible delays are linked to aspects of Spectre's story. It's more political surely?

    It could a bit of both. The delay is to some extent unavoidable due to the distribution issue and further compounded by DC not being thrilled with Spectre. We will probably find out at some point. I also feel that they painted themselves into a corner so are probably having a rethink during the haitus.
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,407MI6 Agent
    As much as I love both sf and sp, I can't help feeling that mendes was just a bad idea, and somewhat impeded Dc's bonds development. I've never had the qos follow up I was so looking forward to.
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    As much as I love both sf and sp, I can't help feeling that mendes was just a bad idea, and somewhat impeded Dc's bonds development. I've never had the qos follow up I was so looking forward to.

    I agree. CR was going in a specific direction. QOS took some of that direction but then went in another direction. SF threw that direction out the window, and somehow SP took yet another direction. I have a feeling that the next Bond film will do something different from SP, but hopefully it will go back to where QOS left off.
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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,392MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    Considering the Austin Powers comment Daniel Craig made before, he's probably not a fan of the idea either.
    Which is why I believe we are in the current situation. I think dc wants to see a decent story before he puts his name down.
    I'm not so sure possible delays are linked to aspects of Spectre's story. It's more political surely?
    I have a feeling Spectre's lackluster reception definitely has something to do with this apparent hiatus. If it was received like SF we would probably have info by now. Their may have been some bad blood or a general lack of enthusiasm within EON regarding the final product and everyone just wanted to distance themselves from Bond for awhile.
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,554MI6 Agent
    The best way to wash the bad taste of Spectre out of everyone's collective mouth is to tell a damn good story that has nothing to do with Bond's personal life. It doesn't matter who plays Bond, that needs to be the starting point.
  • BrosnanBondBrosnanBond USAPosts: 9MI6 Agent
    Spectre is the worst James Bond movie ever made.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,407MI6 Agent
    Spectre is the worst James Bond movie ever made.
    Can you expand? Your statement is very general and most films are made of many components. Spectre has some elements that are superior to some other bond films, eg the train fight, or hinx as a henchman, the pts etc. It's story was terrible as were many things, but this applies to the films also. DAD caught a lot of flack as it too has bad aspects. I understand Spectre may not be your cup of tea but please expand on your sweeping statement so it can be discussed.
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  • Doctor KnowDoctor Know Posts: 15MI6 Agent
    Spectre really does have the "lick stamp, mail in" feeling to it. The result of which, is it's not a film you want to watch again.
  • JTMJTM Posts: 2,962MI6 Agent
    Spectre really does have the "lick stamp, mail in" feeling to it. The result of which, is it's not a film I want to watch again.

    Changed that last sentence a little for you. Even with its story flaws, I loved Spectre. Not ashamed to say I went to see it three times in the theatre and have watched it many times since I grabbed the blu-ray.
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